[theJointedOne]

Originally Posted by Skip

A friend recently bought a pound of outdoor (norcal), he was so excited to get it for $700, was going to sell me some for $100 a z. It was such shit, I had to say no. The buds looked great, but hardly any smell at all. He claimed it was white widow, but looked nothing like the buds I remember in Amsterdam.

It hardly had any taste, except a slight burnt taste, no doubt due to the fires that smoked every outdoor crop last fall. Fortunately I have a small supply of excellent organic Blue Blood to keep me till more recent indoor is available...

But this is the problem as described by Soul Annoyed a couple of posts above.

So unless you know a great indoor grower, or you're one yourself, you're not going to get good, clean smoke at a decent price.

umm yea right man...get off your high horse

outdoor weed can and is just as good as indoor if cultivated correctly

this chem d im smoking on is better than most indoor i see and dam its grown with the power of the earth and the sun

[Rolling Stoner]

1k for outs but they are movin slowww at that price. All Bodhi strains and organic. Might have to drop my pants a little lower soon.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by theJointedOne

umm yea right man...get off your high horse

outdoor weed can and is just as good as indoor if cultivated correctly

this chem d im smoking on is better than most indoor i see and dam its grown with the power of the earth and the sun

Was it grown in a fire zone, during the fires? Cause that's what I'm talking about. If so it's not clean, no matter what you say.
And I don't see no high horse around here.

[Dog Star]

Also think that outdoor can be better weed than indoor,dont wish to stirr anything..

haved some outdoor plants that didnt get water for two and half months and they
survived 40 C+ for week ,resin was all amber and was cough from her as she was strong..
but a stone was turbogreat and very good taste..

wasnt some special care about them,i put just some organic horse-cow shit pellets
wormcastings..one time watered,growed in short bush so roots was shaded.. when i come i found them 3.5 meter high,could not belive what nature does..

[Payaso]

Yes I do agree that outdoor can be better than indoor in optimal conditions...

However, in certain fire ravaged areas of NorCal and elsewhere, crops have been ruined by a smoke bath during most of last summer and fall.

Perhaps the jointed one doesn't realize that not everyone has access to great outdoor weed this winter... some are suffering from an explosion of badly grown pot being rushed to market to make a buck now that legalization has occurred.

I also note a huge exodus of decent old time growers from the area... there are greener pastures to be found with way less problems than NorCal.

[soil margin]

People saying outdoor can be better than indoor make me laugh. It's like the old timers who swear that weed was stronger in the 70's because they got super high once and never forget about it. When your goal is to have certain environmental conditions for your cannabis, having control over those conditions will always produce better cannabis than not having control over them. There is nothing that exists outdoors that can't be replicated more precisely and with more control in an indoor environment. Indoor always trumps outdoor and every grower who has done both with an unbiased perspective knows this from experience. It's common sense.

[Rondon]

I know money growers that bailed out in legal rec and med states. Chasing down and moving to the last of the illegal states...setting up ops and rolling the dice because its still high dollar. Not me. The fear of a bust in like Alabama or one of them southern states is a scary thought. They hammer ya down there if you get caught with a nice sized indoor grow. But pull it off...PAID!! Just too scary and chance for me. Iam cool right here in Mich. Still not rec legal but its coming. My patients are pretty consistent and loyal. Hell..couple of them are family. Iam compensated well every month for the product and service I provide. And I dont rape them in price. Iam happy to keep the lights on and do what I do and they are happy knowing they get clean top quality grown right flowers. Win win. Iam not banking fst stacks...not by any stretch. Not like the old days..90's and early 2000's but Iam not struggling either. Sure is a different world now no doubt. I think as we progress state to state and finally federal legal...good growers and old timeys will just drop out here and there till finally most are gone. Sad. One hell of a ride. Almost 30 years for me. But I know I can't do this forever. Get while you still can I guess. A whole way of life and culture...gone with legaliztion.

[theJointedOne]

Originally Posted by Skip

Was it grown in a fire zone, during the fires? Cause that's what I'm talking about. If so it's not clean, no matter what you say.
And I don't see no high horse around here.

I just seem to always see you post up about how indoor weed is superior,

and fires ruining weed? I have been growing here for my adult life, this year was bad yes but the effects of the fires on the cannabis crops was minimal at best. There is simply too much high grade green house and outdoor to have an effect on average yield and quality.

2017 had some of the best herb quality and yeild in years thanks to a amazing fall with minimal moisture and a long drawn out warm summer.

soilmargins umm...the sun? cmon bro this aint rookie hour.

[theJointedOne]

Originally Posted by Payaso

Yes I do agree that outdoor can be better than indoor in optimal conditions...

However, in certain fire ravaged areas of NorCal and elsewhere, crops have been ruined by a smoke bath during most of last summer and fall.

Perhaps the jointed one doesn't realize that not everyone has access to great outdoor weed this winter... some are suffering from an explosion of badly grown pot being rushed to market to make a buck now that legalization has occurred.

I also note a huge exodus of decent old time growers from the area... there are greener pastures to be found with way less problems than NorCal.

well there is so much supply in our state especially near you, surely you have a choice on whether to buy some random fire weed or quality flowers?

[Payaso]

Originally Posted by theJointedOne

well there is so much supply in our state especially near you, surely you have a choice on whether to buy some random fire weed or quality flowers?

Not here, you must be dreaming...

Three dispensaries all have way overpriced crap. An iffy farmer's market in an odd location... and I know personally many fine growers who have indeed left the area.

I am so very happy for you that you have a great supply of cannabis! Wish I could say the same. In fact is has been so bad (in terms of supply) that I simply stopped smoking the stuff. I'd rather not put crap in my lungs.

Be that as it may, prices for black market stuff (mostly outdoor) are rock bottom and getting lower. Retail prices are absurdly high with all the extra taxes.

The subject is pricing... we should probably stop complaining about the quality here in this thread.