[bboy!]

is there a way to get the LED's a bit cheaper? i mean 500bucks for the 16w one is a shitload of money ....i could get a fully equipped homebox for that price lol

i wanna try either the 63w or 126w one for mothers

[Centrum]

Originally Posted by bboy!

is there a way to get the LED's a bit cheaper? i mean 500bucks for the 16w one is a shitload of money ....i could get a fully equipped homebox for that price lol

i wanna try either the 63w or 126w one for mothers

Only if you build them yourself or buy direct.

If you dont jump on the led train right now and wait it out, the prices will drop.
Remember when puters used to cost lots of money?

Leds are going to be replacing just about everything we use other lighting for, so there will be a lot of attention and with attention come competition.

But if you have the money why not enjoy the benefits early!

Good luck.

you can get 90 watt leds on ebay for 200 and used for 100.

Originally Posted by danimarie193

you can get 90 watt leds on ebay for 200 and used for 100.

Good luck with those. Caveat Emptor = "Let the buyer beware".

[LEDGirl]

Originally Posted by Centrum

Only if you build them yourself or buy direct.

Even if you do build them yourself, a lot of people end up putting similar amounts of money into it, compared to the retail cost on our panels. I believe it was SupraSPL who built his own panel using 1W LED's, and in the end it cost real close to our 126W light. It had half the spectral variety, no casing, and no warranty, but he still did it himself, and I think he did a pretty good job personally.

The old saying "you get what you pay for" applies 100% to LED's. If you want the stuff lacking development, buy what eBay has to offer. If you want stuff developed by plant specialists specifically for your crops, you come to companies like us.

What you need to understand about our lights is that they are nowhere near the same cost as your standard eBay UFO. We literally pay almost DOUBLE for our units watt for watt, because of the complex spectral outputs, larger panels, and custom lenses we use. I could build 120W grow lights all day for a lot cheaper, if we built them like the ones on eBay, but we're all about performance, not being cheap. We're the "top of the line" light, not a bargain basement brand, and because of this our lights cost a lot more to produce.

We have a HIGH COST of doing business, and therefore profits need to be made. Look at other companies and see how much they actually give you, or how much development they actually do. Just a few months ago we announced our 205W and 345W lights with a new square panel that no one else in the world has. In 1 week our vertical growing light goes on sale, which again is a world's first and only. We are at the fore-front of pioneering new panels for consumers, based on the input we receive via our forums. Each new panel costs us roughly $10,000 just to make the casing, not even to produce the first unit, so we're not just sticking this money into our pockets, it's going towards developing new and better products for you, the consumer. We have another light planned after our vertical, that will again revolutionize the industry, but it takes more money to build it.

We pay for advertising on forums like this, give away THOUSANDS in free lights for independent grow tests, and are now doing trade shows and magazine ads which cost a LOT of money. It also costs us money to accept your payments via paypal or credit card, and on a 126W light we generally pay about $15 just to receive your money. Each light also costs us around $85 to ship, meaning that we're really only receiving $375 per light.

When you compare our prices against our ACTUAL competitors, you'll find we are very reasonable. ProSource recently dropped their price a little due to their poor performance against our own lights, but look at companies like Growl LED, HID Hut, Procyon, Theoreme Innovations, Lumigrow, and others. They ALL charge you MORE per watt than we do, and NONE OF THEM perform like our light. The pricing is what it is for now, as we have major marketing campaigns to run, and more development to do. I have a feeling that within a few months our advertising dollars will have paid of substantially in the magazines, increasing our sales to a level where we can afford to drop our prices a little, while still continuing to progress LED technology for all of you.

[Rambro]

Originally Posted by bboy!

is there a way to get the LED's a bit cheaper? i mean 500bucks for the 16w one is a shitload of money ....i could get a fully equipped homebox for that price lol

i wanna try either the 63w or 126w one for mothers

lol if anyone knew of a way to get any of the Penetrator lights for a discount i would have jumped at the opportunity long ago maybe ill catch the next free giveaway and hit the lottery while im at it lol

[LEDGirl]

Originally Posted by Rambro

lol if anyone knew of a way to get any of the Penetrator lights for a discount i would have jumped at the opportunity long ago maybe ill catch the next free giveaway and hit the lottery while im at it lol

We have (4) 1st generation 126W units available for $375 shipped. In about a month we should have 6-9 refurbished 126W units for sale as well. So there are ways of getting a cheaper light (like a return customer discount), it just depends on what you want.

[Rambro]

Originally Posted by LEDGirl

We have (4) 1st generation 126W units available for $375 shipped. In about a month we should have 6-9 refurbished 126W units for sale as well. So there are ways of getting a cheaper light (like a return customer discount), it just depends on what you want.

refurbed 2nd gens or 1st gens? do they have warranty and all that stuff still?

[LEDGirl]

Mostly 1st gens, although there might be one or two second gens, I can't remember. We've only had 8 defective lights that needed replacing the whole time we've been in business, so we don't often have lights at a discount. When we do, they tend to go quite quickly They also come with a pro-rated warranty, all with at least 2 years left. They just got shipped back to China to get rebuilt, so they're still a few weeks away.

[Rambro]

how much for one of the refurbed 2nd gens? im definitely interested! btw you have any links/info with using an LED 12/12 from seed?