[Texicannibus]

Look into genetic drift and mutations ... there are some risks although no large scale studies exist. Nobody knows the full effect mostly speculation but there is some scientific studies that the speculation is based on.

[Jeff Johnson]

I have been growing since 1974, but I took a risk this year and bought my first pack of feminized seeds: the GN femmed pack, indica mix E.

Then, the xxxxxxxx xxxx xxxx sent me three GN femmed Lemon Skunk seeds as freebies...

I can't resist at least trying to cross these to my all time favorite strain, Maple Leaf Indica. And if they subsequent progeny hermies on me in 2011, I still won't know for sure, since I live in Minnesota where conditions are challenging to say the least.

As a nonexpert who learned most of what I know on the mighty days of overgrow from Two Heads etc., I have seen so little on this.

And if I could editorialize, how has this not been compassed out yet? How can several people with massive experience on one thread have completely opposite views of the possibilities?

[Texicannibus]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=167789
Above is the link to the discussion that was had on genetic drift

Originally Posted by Texicannibus

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=167789
Above is the link to the discussion that was had on genetic drift

Since we don't know the truth the fault is Human.


LOL..


All I can say is grow in organic soil like I do...

Originally Posted by Jeff Johnson

I have been growing since 1974, but I took a risk this year and bought my first pack of feminized seeds: the GN femmed pack, indica mix E.

Then, the xxxxxxxx seed bank sent me three GN femmed Lemon Skunk seeds as freebies...

I can't resist at least trying to cross these to my all time favorite strain, Maple Leaf Indica. And if they subsequent progeny hermies on me in 2011, I still won't know for sure, since I live in Minnesota where conditions are challenging to say the least.

As a nonexpert who learned most of what I know on the mighty days of overgrow from Two Heads etc., I have seen so little on this.

And if I could editorialize, how has this not been compassed out yet? How can several people with massive experience on one thread have completely opposite views of the possibilities?

On the baseless concept side of things.. I have thought that Feminized are like a moment in Genetic time that is made into a profitable business..

Is there some "Gold" in this form of genetic distribution? Is it ultimately short-changing the industry by delivering genetics to the masses without really knowing what is being shared? Are we being warned not to search and explore what may be a Gold mine of unrealized genetic potential on the grounds that it might be queer?

It's always about money... That doesn't change.. Certified seeds will always have a place in industry.

Oh well.. I am stuck home and have a lot of time to post today.

The pros are that female selection of a p1 has already been achieved (hopefully) and there should be a greater proportion of female progeny. The cons are primarily the potential to capture a hermie tendency:

First off, I'd never "double back" a fem and cross it with a fem-- too much probability of incorporating a hermy trait...

Having said that. it stands to reason that a lot depends on how the fem strain was created. In other words, if a spectacular female was chosen...Then state of the art S1 fem techniques were applied...Wouldn't expect progeny to be any more herm oriented...

If the (chosen) P1 S1 had the most state of the art and extreme chemical stressors applied to produce male flowers-- the kind of stressors that NO female plant could resist-- then why would we expect hermie genes to be created at this point and subsequently more likely to be passed on? Don't believe in genetic alchemy lol

However, if breeders have a bunch of plants and group stress them with techniques that are less than perfect...You'll end up with a higher proportion of seeds that are herm given...laws of probability and statistics operating here as well as nature...My 2 centavos

I'm not a scientist (by any stretch lol), but I can't see how there'd be anything that would increase the probability of hermie traits in an S1's progeny just because it came from an S1-- I think the issue lies in probability of ending up with seeds that have weaker resistance to turning hermie...

I don't think an S1, by definition, inherently stands to transfer hermie prone genes. If I'm wrong, please show me the science behind your disagreement. Thanks!

We are still using economics as our guide! Are we really knowing what will make the best cannabis?

[The End Is Near]

I would personally love to use only females as breeding stock, from fem stock or not, because you get a better feel of what the final product will be like, which is smokeable bud, not males. I think it's total bullshit that people will rip on fem seeds/breeding when there hasn't been solid evidence that femming definitely gives hermies. Regular beans give hermies too and lots of people had no problems with fem seeds. Maybe even a male used for breeding passes on stronger hermie tendencies than female pollen.

Originally Posted by DocLeaf

We are currently testing progeny to see if feminized stock is viable for breeding,, exactly the question you asked here (good question) ,, so watch this space ,, we plan to answer it

Hi DocLeaf, cheers for dropping in. I look forward to seeing your results. Have you got an active thread where you are documenting your results? If so could you please give me the link.

Originally Posted by DocLeaf

stick to normal / regular seeds for breeding with IMO... it's better in the long run for every grower that grows those seeds in the future,, far fewer complications

So the only complications thus far are the possibilities of further generations throwing out hermie bananas? Is that right DocLeaf, or have you encountered any other problems?

Originally Posted by TopShelf

Just growing a feminized plant and using as a clone mother is ok isn't it?

Hi TopShelf, yes that's fine.

Originally Posted by *HazeLover*

- yep, more than once I used feminised seeds for "breeding"
-I did Reg x Fem (Mt cook x ssh)
- Fem x Reg (Alaskan Ice x Milky Way)
- Fem x Fem (Lemonskunk x SSH)
- selfed Feminised SSH
had no hermies so far (Alaskan Ice x Milky Way is still in testing, aswell as SSH F2 but it looks quiet promising) and no problems what so ever, for pics watch my thread in the greenhouse seeds section or album.

Hi *HazeLover*, cheers for the detailed reply. Hey post a link to your 'breeding with fem/reg seeds here if you want? It would be good to have all of the information regarding this subject in one thread-or at least linked through one thread. Good luck with your project.

Originally Posted by JackTheGrower

I don't know of any real issues with using feminized plants in breeding. Is there any scientific works to draw on?

Me neither, does anybody know of any scientific work in this area?

Originally Posted by Texicannibus

Look into genetic drift and mutations ... there are some risks although no large scale studies exist. Nobody knows the full effect mostly speculation but there is some scientific studies that the speculation is based on.

I'll have a peek in there, cheers Texicannibus.

Also some good points there Cinderella99, so if top quality selection and stress factors were not adhered to then the probabilities of future generations throwing out hermies is raised substantially-is that right?

Peace.

[*HazeLover*]

hey redeye
here's a link as requested, I'll upload some new pics in a few hours:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=139992

Peace&Love

HazeLover