[Centrum]

Originally Posted by Lazyman

Since this is an Organic HYDRO forum, let's keep it to strictly indoor grows. If someone has an organic hydro OUTDOOR grow I'd love to see it.

Hydro implies a reservoir, which consists of either water, or water and teas, or water and organic bottled nutes.

Who besides me has done a side by side of bottled organic nutes vs bottled chem nutes?

Also, to the big organic fans, who has not seen the Penn and Teller episode of Bullshit on organics? Real eye-opener that, in all of their blind taste tests people chose the non-organic bananas 90% of the time over organics. When they cut a non-organic banana in half and told people that half was organic, the people preferred the organic side, of the non-organic banana! Just shows you that folks are stupid and will buy what they're told is better.

That was a great episode!
The best thing about it was, even after people where faced with the truth they still completely ignored it and chose there faith in organics because it was easier to process ( no pun intended).

I think socrates was on the right path of questioning but misinterepted the desire of mans lack for truth rather then the desire for ease when it came to man not being able to see outside the cave. ( aka : Look outside the box)

Socrates " Be as you wish to seem".

Originally Posted by xmobotx

like mg75, i too am immediately thinking that "organic hydro" is an oxymoron

however, i also feel like stipulations to the effect that you can't consider an artificially lit garden to be organic are a little too stringent

if the nute sources are organic, than the grow can be certified thusly (yes, USDA, OMRI, oregon tilth, et al DO standardize and certify for organic standards)

BUT, if you spent too much on your "organic" grow, you are simply running a variation on a chem grow -one which may be "certified organic" but, which is not in the spirit of "organics." in today's market economy, organic has become a buzzword used to sell product -don't be surprised if you are then dissatisfied w/ the product. HELLO? dumbasses - they just want you to buy the product. "organic" means nothing to corp america. sustainability? just look at corps and banks and government tripping all over themselves to fuck themselves up. corp america knows nothing of sustainability.

WHY? would you buy a product from these entities w/ any expectation that it is what it says on the bottle?

organic ~ = biological - the spirit is that there is sustainability. Now, if you're going to the store (which is unavoidable at first and for a while) sustainability becomes questionable. If you throw soil away, sustainability becomes questionable.

however, if as much of your "products" come from your yard/neighbours/local farm what kind of sustainability is in this model?

People go to the local hardware store for lawn feed and dandelion poison and shit to fix what the lawn feed and dandelion poison did to their yard last year - then they go and buy the same crap again.

maybe they could mow w/ a mulching mower? maybe they could water w/ aquarium water when it's time to clean the fish tank? maybe we could let the dandelions grow and their life cycle could be feeding the lawn. And maybe we could compost our lawn clippings for the weed garden? (@ least once in a while bag your clippings) use the dandelion flowers for flower tea to feed the flowers? (and the greens to eat/compost?)

in this model, the consumer saves on all his "lawn care" products and produces their own ferts for a sustainable organic indoor garden -thus saving those expenses too.

Where could "organics costs more" possibly come into this discussion?

i just don't understand how someone who gives advice like "try GH" or "PBP nutes work" can turn around and say "organics=teh sux" because the bottle that said "organic" costs more and does the same thing.

organics done right becomes free over time.

i think you guys should read that one more time.

[Hovz]

Organic farming is appealing to many individuals wishing a time-out from our stressed out, hi-tech world.

Organic farmers typically spend a lot of time and effort improving their land. They make compost.

Organic farmers have a strong commitment to their land. If they don't abuse the land, it will provide for them and their families for many years to come. They are far less likely to use the kind of agricultural processes which result in:
1. toxic runoff and resulting water pollution
2. soil contamination and poisoning
3. death of insects, birds, critters and beneficial soil organisms

would real world examples of organic hydroponics not include all flora that has adapted to growing naturally in oceans, lake beds, ponds, inside the body of streams and all of the shore line of the previously mentioned?

[Hovz]

Originally Posted by toohighmf

True organics with guanos and animal product are far more dangerous for your health when smoking/vaping. As is Soil for the most part. Smoking cadmium, nickle, iron, and other trace elements is not healthy. Would you eat a turd? would you smoke one? how about bonemeal? When we eat organic foods our body digests and uptakes the minerals. smoking them is converting them to a toxic carcinogen. I use salt based ferts and a substrate I can fully flush.

But doesn't the bacteria in the soil eat the fertilizer and convert it into food that the plant can eat? Marijuana smoke has carcinogens in it no matter grown organic or hydroponically.

Originally Posted by Hovz

But doesn't the bacteria in the soil eat the fertilizer and convert it into food that the plant can eat? Marijuana smoke has carcinogens in it no matter grown organic or hydroponically.

cannabis has never been proven to be a carcinogenic

smoke in of itself cause damage to the body

BUT NEVER HAS POT BEEN PROVEN TO CANCER

trust me prohibition been begging for evidence so they can use it as another excuse

[summitoker]

Great thread!
What i dont like about growing in soil is that sometimes the flavor seems to carry over to the nugs..... weed that tastes like peat moss and bone meal is no fun for anyone.

[growclean]

This thread is pretty funny. I see alot of discussion of "would you eat shit" and synthetic grown plants can taste/smoke as good as those grown without lab chemicals. All ridiculous.

First, beyond the point, but I would rather digest a handful of what my plants survive in rather than a cup of the unknown shit in the plastic bottle. Second, what you don't know can hurt you kids.... just because the banana tastes the same, doesn't mean it is. The only argument that i have seen to growing using chemicals is based upon profit or greed (larger yields, cheaper, easier). Sounds like McDonald's rationale, and I don't buy their shit either....

damn, never tasted Bone Meal or Peat.........j/k

since the thread title is "organics suck, prove me wrong" i assume this would encompass anyone growing Organic, soil or hydro.

i have changed to Organics b/c i got tired of risking a trip to the hydro store and in my area LEO stalks those type of stores.

why spend the $$ continually on salt ferts and the necessary equip. needed to monitor ph, ppm/ec.

i can get all of the Meals needed to get my soil ready w/o risking a trip to the hydro store. i can reuse my soil...big + and go to the compost bin in the back yard for natures finest to brew up a tea.

for me Organics Rock and making all the trips to the hydro store to buy designer salt base ferts SUCKS.

[Hovz]

Originally Posted by RNDZL

cannabis has never been proven to be a carcinogenic

smoke in of itself cause damage to the body

BUT NEVER HAS POT BEEN PROVEN TO CANCER

trust me prohibition been begging for evidence so they can use it as another excuse

I stopped caring about carcinogens when i heard using the BBQ could give me cancer.