[toohighmf]

True organics with guanos and animal product are far more dangerous for your health when smoking/vaping. As is Soil for the most part. Smoking cadmium, nickle, iron, and other trace elements is not healthy. Would you eat a turd? would you smoke one? how about bonemeal? When we eat organic foods our body digests and uptakes the minerals. smoking them is converting them to a toxic carcinogen. I use salt based ferts and a substrate I can fully flush.

[Cali_Boss]

IMHO indoor doesnt matter whether its organic or not. but outdoor, organic weed tends to hold up to the elements better. organic nutes provide natural pesticides the plant gives off that non-natural formulas cant provide. if mastered, an organic crop wont be as affected by all kinds of insects as opposed to a non-natural grow. tons of info to support this

Originally Posted by toohighmf

True organics with guanos and animal product are far more dangerous for your health when smoking/vaping.

the adulterants used in synthetic farming were traced to tobacco carcinogens and other health risks

since we cant qualify what you assert with scientific fact we can qualify it using another plant that is en mass

[/b]As is Soil for the most part. Smoking cadmium, nickle, iron, and other trace elements is not healthy. Would you eat a turd? would you smoke one? how about bonemeal? When we eat organic foods our body digests and uptakes the minerals. smoking them is converting them to a toxic carcinogen. I use salt based ferts and a substrate I can fully flush.

would you drink a bottle of your synth nutes

if your salt nutes are so fucking non caustic smoke them straight

cause I can eat kelp and fish and grow with it too

it is in all ways compatible with my living being

drink a bottle of YOUR ferts and tell me if your body assimilate it in the same way

im waiting PATIENTLY for the results

[TexasToker]

Originally Posted by RNDZL

drink a bottle of YOUR ferts and tell me if your body assimilate it in the same way
im waiting PATIENTLY for the results

lol...me too!

That does make sense RNDZL. Shit in shit out.

Originally Posted by RNDZL

cause I can eat kelp and fish and grow with it too

I never thought about the way you posed this. It is ridiculously a simple thought process.

[toohighmf]

thats pretty funny. you got me. I would never drink my chem ferts, however, I do love sushi and seaweed salad. would you put that fish or seaweed in a pipe and smoke it??? lol

Originally Posted by toohighmf

thats pretty funny. you got me. I would never drink my chem ferts, however, I do love sushi and seaweed salad. would you put that fish or seaweed in a pipe and smoke it??? lol

well how long have I been outta weed???

[Lazyman]

Since this is an Organic HYDRO forum, let's keep it to strictly indoor grows. If someone has an organic hydro OUTDOOR grow I'd love to see it.

Hydro implies a reservoir, which consists of either water, or water and teas, or water and organic bottled nutes.

Who besides me has done a side by side of bottled organic nutes vs bottled chem nutes?

Also, to the big organic fans, who has not seen the Penn and Teller episode of Bullshit on organics? Real eye-opener that, in all of their blind taste tests people chose the non-organic bananas 90% of the time over organics. When they cut a non-organic banana in half and told people that half was organic, the people preferred the organic side, of the non-organic banana! Just shows you that folks are stupid and will buy what they're told is better.

Originally Posted by Lazyman

Since this is an Organic HYDRO forum, let's keep it to strictly indoor grows. If someone has an organic hydro OUTDOOR grow I'd love to see it.

Hydro implies a reservoir, which consists of either water, or water and teas, or water and organic bottled nutes.

Who besides me has done a side by side of bottled organic nutes vs bottled chem nutes?

Also, to the big organic fans, who has not seen the Penn and Teller episode of Bullshit on organics? Real eye-opener that, in all of their blind taste tests people chose the non-organic bananas 90% of the time over organics. When they cut a non-organic banana in half and told people that half was organic, the people preferred the organic side, of the non-organic banana! Just shows you that folks are stupid and will buy what they're told is better.

see this is the problem with subjective sensationalist journalism

but lets add to this picture

A) you are using illusionists, who use misdirection to provide an alternate truth as a profession as a gauge for accurate information

B) there was not complete qualifying information to show the processes and the factors regarding each banana and is horticulture

C) how do you know the control group they tested had a discriminating palate


D) YOU CAN FUCK UP ORGANICS just as well as you can SYNTHETICS what controls and measures were used to assure each had equal i presentation and availability of nutrients as well as macro and micro environments ?

and YES I have done both SIDE BY SIDE yes I see taste differences in both

but let me ask do you add black strap do you add sweet do you add anything synthetically derived or not to replace the natural component that does this?

cause i suggest if you are going to compare generic "synthetics" to generic "organics" the true test is gh 3 part NO OTHER AMENDMENTS

vs

any variety of organically derived compounds not excluding all the living components of the soil web, the additional beneficials, acids, and other components of the soil that wont be present and tell me yourself do they taste the same

not saying one is better than the other, but i know my preference, and i know they are different




my personal preference is hybrid, i like a lil salt on my steak and a lil salt in my soil

[Lazyman]

Originally Posted by RNDZL

see this is the problem with subjective sensationalist journalism

You're picking hairs here, the idea is that it gives a good representation of what the average person can tell or taste. In their spontaneous study, random supermarket shoppers were tested. Why does their finding not matter, they're the ones who buy products!

Of course you can, and its easier to fuck up salts because they absorb so quickly, and organics absorb slowly.

I used the bottles as labeled, AN Sensi two part vs Pura Vida Organics one-part. Followed the directions, except in veg when the PVO Grow was so weak I was adding it at 25-30ml per gallon as it's extremely weak. When plants are yellowing because of N def on organic bottled nutes I worry.

Constant monitoring of elemental presence and quantities is nigh impossible. But if you've got a magic solution I'd love to get a peek at your mass spectrometer.

How did your organics yield vs the salts?

Yes, I added molasses to both reservoirs at the same time in order to keep the test more fair.

Why only GH 3 part? There are a dozen companies that make salt-based fert lines.

I added mycorrhizae, subcultureM, INoculaid lite, PVO (grow/bloom) and molasses to the organic res. Grown in both FFOF and coco.

Yep, ditto, I use FFOF for starting plants in veg, easier to meter out the organic nutes slowly to tender young roots. In late veg and flower they get strong salt nutes.

[Suby]

I am glad I am now well enough to start posting again.

Both methods given an educated user can deliver a fine product in the way of yield, taste, high, etc.
I don't believe in hydro organics (this excludes aquaponics), organic principles work but actually being 100% organic is an exercise in futility.
I've used PBPro in bubblers and had amazing results but to me it still wasn't organics, if your not a purist then by all means go nuts, it works and well at that.
I've also tried Earth Juice line, it was a hassle, expensive, results where OK.
Growing MJ is an art in itself, because of our arcane laws we are forced to make the very most to maximize yield given that alot of us grow in confined spaces under artificial conditions, very few cultivars fall under this category.
Even 1% better yield can mean big $, it's worth so much even an expensive product is worth it in the long run.
If we could all grow outside, under the sun and stars, then paying top dollar for a fancy fert to grow MJ which reaches 6ft+ in plain soil is a waste of money.
When I grew outdoors I would ammend the soil with dry slow release ferts (which are really cheap) and give them compost teas (also cheap and easy) and let mother nature take care of the rest.
A compost bin or worm bin is fun and easy not to mention cheap, ad it to the soil and work it periodically and voila.
I know, I know this isn't hydro, that's because organics depend on a medium thus my problem with hydro-organics.
In my indoor spaces, I reused my soil and used teas, IMO it doesn't get any easier than that, I don't have to lug water, test ph, measure or buy nutes, etc, I just mix a rich soil, add my compost, use microbial teas, finito.
I keep hearing organics is hard or takes alot of time, it's as easy reading a label and mixing in a few easy to find ingredients.
I don't trust studies for or against, I trust in my own personal experience and well there it is.