[Lazyman]

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Originally Posted by kathmandu

is Pure Flowers a clear liquid or blue color like TKO?

looking for a phosphite solution but dont like coloring agents.

that tko looks blue on that pic but it is as clear as water also. i know coz im using it.

[TickleMyBalls]

Originally Posted by PoopyTeaBags

krunch just summed it all up... I been using phosphates forever talked to krunch turned me onto pura flowers... all i can say is OMG this shit rocks... ill never use phosphates again... ive also noticed certain plants respond alot better to it while others it seem just like they were still getting phosphate... but like i said never go back.

yeah it's the best. I've moved a lot of my friends off of other bloom boosters and onto pure flowers. I've notice that it's mostly Indica dominant plants that really respond well. I'll check them like 3 hours after watering and their leaves are always standing up at almost a 90 degree angle.

[Cannaseur Kid]

Pure Flowers is good stuff. just a little sketchy to work with because it's so concentrated but I have great results using it.

[Flow]

If this thread is still kickin, what do you guys think about Pure Flowers compared to Bloombastic?
Ran Bloombastic my last run with great results, gonna do a side by side w/ PF this go around (in soil)
Also about to start some coco, gonna side by side with that also.

[krunchbubble]

Originally Posted by Flow

If this thread is still kickin, what do you guys think about Pure Flowers compared to Bloombastic?
Ran Bloombastic my last run with great results, gonna do a side by side w/ PF this go around (in soil)
Also about to start some coco, gonna side by side with that also.

apples and oranges....

pure flowers is a pk booster.....

bloombastic is a pk booster, has vitamins, aminos and silica.....

[Flow]

So pure flowers alone is going to need more additives, that the bloombastic already has.
Gonna have to supplement the pure flowers batch i guess. We will have to see.

[spurr]

@ All:

Please read this article below, which I wrote, and Dave was kind enough to post here for me, before I stared this account here. Phosphites provide very little (often close to zero) P directly to plants! Phosphites are systemic fungicides!

The fact people see good response from Pure Flowers means it's the K that is giving benefit, not the P, because the P is phosphites. And phosphites do not provide P that plant can use without microbes breaking it down first, and that's a rather slow process.

FWIW, boosting P in pre-flower is not a good idea, only boosting K is wise. The reason is that the more P you give the greater the "root:shoot" ratio, in other words, more stretch and internodal length and less root growth (same thing from N). So, unless you don't care about short and tight plants, you should not be boosting P in pre-flowering. Besides, P is way over-applied anyway. A good rule of thumb is to provide P and S in similar levels, and provide K and Ca in similar levels. I don't let P go over ~50 ppm, ever.

Any companies selling phosphetes as a P source are idiots and selling you snake oil. Phosphetes must be broken down by microbes before plants can use it as a P source.

When people benefit from PK boosters, it's due to the K, not the P, because most ferts provide too much P anyway. Thus it not only redundant to add extra P during pre-flowing, but it also makes plants stretch more. Too much N and P makes plant stretch, e.g. root:shoot ratio, not so with K, thus K is 'safe' to apply in pre-flowering a as booster.

Please, don't just post hateful messages to me because of this post, please take the time to read the article I took a few days to write, and research.

"Phosphite: What companies aren't telling you
What phosphites will and will not do for a plant; the good and bad"

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=187090

[grapeman]

Originally Posted by spurr

@ All:

Please read this article below, which I wrote, and Dave was kind enough to post here for me, before I stared this account here. Phosphites provide very little (often close to zero) P directly to plants! Phosphites are systemic fungicides!

The fact people see good response from Pure Flowers means it's the K that is giving benefit, not the P, because the P is phosphites. And phosphites do not provide P that plant can use without microbes breaking it down first, and that's a rather slow process.

FWIW, boosting P in pre-flower is not a good idea, only boosting K is wise. The reason is that the more P you give the greater the "root:shoot" ratio, in other words, more stretch and internodal length and less root growth (same thing from N). So, unless you don't care about short and tight plants, you should not be boosting P in pre-flowering. Besides, P is way over-applied anyway. A good rule of thumb is to provide P and S in similar levels, and provide K and Ca in similar levels. I don't let P go over ~50 ppm, ever.

Any companies selling phosphetes as a P source are idiots and selling you snake oil. Phosphetes must be broken down by microbes before plants can use it as a P source.

When people benefit from PK boosters, it's due to the K, not the P, because most ferts provide too much P anyway. Thus it not only redundant to add extra P during pre-flowing, but it also makes plants stretch more. Too much N and P makes plant stretch, e.g. root:shoot ratio, not so with K, thus K is 'safe' to apply in pre-flowering a as booster.

Please, don't just post hateful messages to me because of this post, please take the time to read the article I took a few days to write, and research.

"Phosphite: What companies aren't telling you
What phosphites will and will not do for a plant; the good and bad"

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=187090

I don't buy snake oil. I also value my experience of 2 decades using phosphites over your writing. It costs $5000/acre to grow table grapes. I don't waste a penny on snake oil...... or bad advice.

So there we are.

[spurr]

Originally Posted by DonkDBZ

This link shows some grass with defeciency
check out the blue grass 3rd page down
https://www.gcsaa.org/GCM/2005/nov/PD...cc1Cookpdf.pdf

pretty sweet though that it acts as a fungicide
picked some pure flowers up will be trying out this run

found this on another site

DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PHOSPHATE AND PHOSPHITEThe recognized, traditional source of phosphorus, as H3PO4, has long been phosphoric acid. Phosphoric acid, when neutralized with a base, such as ammonium or potassium, forms a salt or phosphate. Phosphorous acid also forms a salt when neutralized with a base. The salt is referred to as phosphite, H3PO3, as opposed to phosphate H3PO4.
Because Phosphite has one less oxygen molecule than phosphate, a higher degree of solubility and mobility, within the plant is achieved. This unique characteristic permits phosphites to be rapidly absorbed or taken up across the membranes of plant foliage and/or roots, in both their nutritive and plant protective roles.
Once applied and rapidly absorbed, by the plant, Phosphites undergo an oxidation or conversion process resulting in the continual release of soluble phosphorus. This allows for the beneficially timed utilization of phosphorus, in preparation for critical times when demand by the plant may be especially high or uptake is otherwise impaired.
Potassium Phosphite application results have also shown several other novel characteristics, such as inhibition of mycorrhizal development, accelerating foliar uptake of other cations such as potassium, calcium, magnesium, and most micro elements, when applied in combination, and by supplying more phosphorus per molecule than phosphate.
Potassium Phosphites are generally compatible with most other nutrient and/or pesticide products thus adding to application efficiency and the reduction of spraying costs.

The part I highlighted is incorrect, once phosphites are taken into leafs they are not converted into usable P for the plant in a reasonable time frame, they stay as phosphites for the most part, and provide very little P nutrition to the plant in a reasonable time frame.

From the good paper you posted (thanks for that), please see the pic below. It shows the grass with phosphates as P (pic on left) vs. grass with phosphites as P source (pic on right); and the grass with phosphites has P deficiency! This, I hope, proves my points about why we should not use phosphites for P! If not please read the article I wrote, in it I explain this in more detail and provide a plethora of references:









For P we should stick with phosphates, not phosphites. Microbes need to breakdown phosphites before they will provide more than near-nil P nutrition to the plant.

I hope my efforts help folks to understand why Pure Flower is Pure Bullshit. People are much better off using a PK booster that has phosphates...or better yet, only boost K during per-flowering because boosting P is a waste and goes against goals of most growers (i.e. short, stalky plants).