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TickleMyBalls · 05-04-2010, 08:04 AM

I've noticed some of my plants really respond better to phosphite based bloom additives than phosphates. I really dig on the higrocorp Pure Flowers. 0-30-20 NPK my UK cheese cut absolutely loves it. her leaves are always standing straight up after feedings.

So what do you use?

krunchbubble · 05-04-2010, 08:08 AM

pure flowers.........

TickleMyBalls · 05-04-2010, 08:20 AM

i think it's weird that it hasn't been discussed more around here. i did a search for phosphites on IC and it turned up almost nothing. it's definitely something that is useful for what we do.

krunchbubble · 05-04-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TickleMyBalls

i think it's weird that it hasn't been discussed more around here. i did a search for phosphites on IC and it turned up almost nothing. it's definitely something that is useful for what we do.

the more experienced growers know about and use it, its kinda a little secret....... its made to be used as a foliar. haven't tried it that way, and have excellent results in my res.

TickleMyBalls · 05-04-2010, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by krunchbubble

the more experienced growers know about and use it, its kinda a little secret....... its made to be used as a foliar. haven't tried it that way, and have excellent results in my res.

yeah, i haven't either. I've just used it on my soil plants and put a bit into some stand alone DWC buckets. really is worth the extra money. my room isn't in the greatest shape right now environmentally, but my plants are still pumping out pretty much record size nugs. can't wait to use it in a clean environment on a couple of new projects.

watson540 · 05-04-2010, 09:14 AM

from my experience (most) icmaggers dont care about any nute that doesnt say AN on it.. now RIU has some awesome threads on "fertilizers" (tho you have to put up with the "atmosphere" over there to read it)

TickleMyBalls · 05-04-2010, 09:55 AM

I don't know about that statement. most of the biggest and best growers on here won't touch AN. I would say WAY more people use GH here than AN.

watson540 · 05-04-2010, 12:14 PM

I know i guess im jaded cause my feeble attempts at the quest for cheap dry nutes failrd at icmag

in all honesty ive never heard of a phosphite, I thought it was a spelling error

TickleMyBalls · 05-05-2010, 05:30 AM

Phosphite
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The phosphite ion (HPO32−) is a polyatomic ion with a phosphorus central atom where phosphorus has an oxidation state of +3.[1] Its geometry is approximately tetrahedral.[2]

The bonding can be described in terms of a number of resonance canonicals, (there are three equivalent canonicals containing a single double bond) effectively delocalising the negative charges across the three equivalent oxygen atoms.

Many phosphite salts, such as ammonium phosphite, are highly water soluble. The term phosphite is sometimes used to mean phosphite ester, an organophosphorus compound with the formula P(OR)3.

grapeman · 05-05-2010, 06:10 AM

About 18 years ago I tried phosphites foliar on grapes in lieu of phos acid through the drip. Over the next few years I perfected my regimen and all but eliminated the use of phos acid. I used a product called "Nutri-Phite", which is an Ag phosphite product developed up near Fresno Ca.

Playing around over the last couple of years on this crop, I've looked for a phosphite based phos product but none of the big nute companies seem to be aware of the benefits. Everyone makes their phos via phos acid. Believe it or not, there are still plenty of growers who don't know or use a phosphites based nutrient.

Reading thru some threads a few months ago I saw someone mentions pure flowers and then krunch piped in about the phosphites, so i ordered a bottle. I did not want to risk using a product labeled for qts./acre into a few dozen plants.

I already know the praises of phosphites so I don't need to be persuaded, but I wish Pro Flowers would make a product without the K also. It would give us more control and that is what we can get in the ag market... many different flavors of Nutriphite, some with K, CA, seaweed etc. See here

https://www.biagro.com/nutri_phite/np...t_line_up.html

Anyway, phosphite is best used via foliar. It can also be used in the soil (or hydro) but the delivery system is best suited via the leaf, IMO.

My 2 cents.

05-04-2010, 08:04 AM	#1
TickleMyBalls just don't molest my colas.. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Midwest's Best. Posts: 2,706	Who uses Phosphites? I've noticed some of my plants really respond better to phosphite based bloom additives than phosphates. I really dig on the higrocorp Pure Flowers. 0-30-20 NPK my UK cheese cut absolutely loves it. her leaves are always standing straight up after feedings. So what do you use? __________________ Simple tips to grow excellent cannabis Natural guttation on cannabis flowers legal med patient/caregiver “I wound up doing time for something I should have been rewarded for, What I did was a community service, the way I look at it. I was punished for political reasons. Absolutely meaningless. Was I a criminal? No. I was a good member of society. Only my society and the one making the laws are different.”- Owsley Stanley R.I.P If you can heal the symptom, but not affect the cause, it's quite a bit like trying to heal a gunshot wound with gauze

05-04-2010, 08:08 AM	#2
krunchbubble Dear Haters, I Have So Much More For You To Be Mad At, Just Be Patient.... Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bay Area,CA Posts: 8,437	pure flowers......... __________________ 3620 Watt Starlite LED Grow - Yield was 8 1/2 LBS! https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330640 1280 Watt Starlite LED Grow - Finished https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=325694

05-04-2010, 08:20 AM	#3
TickleMyBalls just don't molest my colas.. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Midwest's Best. Posts: 2,706	i think it's weird that it hasn't been discussed more around here. i did a search for phosphites on IC and it turned up almost nothing. it's definitely something that is useful for what we do. __________________ Simple tips to grow excellent cannabis Natural guttation on cannabis flowers legal med patient/caregiver “I wound up doing time for something I should have been rewarded for, What I did was a community service, the way I look at it. I was punished for political reasons. Absolutely meaningless. Was I a criminal? No. I was a good member of society. Only my society and the one making the laws are different.”- Owsley Stanley R.I.P If you can heal the symptom, but not affect the cause, it's quite a bit like trying to heal a gunshot wound with gauze

05-04-2010, 09:14 AM	#6
watson540 Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 216	from my experience (most) icmaggers dont care about any nute that doesnt say AN on it.. now RIU has some awesome threads on "fertilizers" (tho you have to put up with the "atmosphere" over there to read it)
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05-04-2010, 09:55 AM	#7
TickleMyBalls just don't molest my colas.. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Midwest's Best. Posts: 2,706	I don't know about that statement. most of the biggest and best growers on here won't touch AN. I would say WAY more people use GH here than AN. __________________ Simple tips to grow excellent cannabis Natural guttation on cannabis flowers legal med patient/caregiver “I wound up doing time for something I should have been rewarded for, What I did was a community service, the way I look at it. I was punished for political reasons. Absolutely meaningless. Was I a criminal? No. I was a good member of society. Only my society and the one making the laws are different.”- Owsley Stanley R.I.P If you can heal the symptom, but not affect the cause, it's quite a bit like trying to heal a gunshot wound with gauze

05-04-2010, 12:14 PM	#8
watson540 Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 216	I know i guess im jaded cause my feeble attempts at the quest for cheap dry nutes failrd at icmag in all honesty ive never heard of a phosphite, I thought it was a spelling error

05-05-2010, 05:30 AM	#9
TickleMyBalls just don't molest my colas.. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Midwest's Best. Posts: 2,706	Phosphite From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The phosphite ion (HPO32−) is a polyatomic ion with a phosphorus central atom where phosphorus has an oxidation state of +3.[1] Its geometry is approximately tetrahedral.[2] The bonding can be described in terms of a number of resonance canonicals, (there are three equivalent canonicals containing a single double bond) effectively delocalising the negative charges across the three equivalent oxygen atoms. Many phosphite salts, such as ammonium phosphite, are highly water soluble. The term phosphite is sometimes used to mean phosphite ester, an organophosphorus compound with the formula P(OR)3. __________________ Simple tips to grow excellent cannabis Natural guttation on cannabis flowers legal med patient/caregiver “I wound up doing time for something I should have been rewarded for, What I did was a community service, the way I look at it. I was punished for political reasons. Absolutely meaningless. Was I a criminal? No. I was a good member of society. Only my society and the one making the laws are different.”- Owsley Stanley R.I.P If you can heal the symptom, but not affect the cause, it's quite a bit like trying to heal a gunshot wound with gauze
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05-05-2010, 06:10 AM	#10
grapeman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,198	About 18 years ago I tried phosphites foliar on grapes in lieu of phos acid through the drip. Over the next few years I perfected my regimen and all but eliminated the use of phos acid. I used a product called "Nutri-Phite", which is an Ag phosphite product developed up near Fresno Ca. Playing around over the last couple of years on this crop, I've looked for a phosphite based phos product but none of the big nute companies seem to be aware of the benefits. Everyone makes their phos via phos acid. Believe it or not, there are still plenty of growers who don't know or use a phosphites based nutrient. Reading thru some threads a few months ago I saw someone mentions pure flowers and then krunch piped in about the phosphites, so i ordered a bottle. I did not want to risk using a product labeled for qts./acre into a few dozen plants. I already know the praises of phosphites so I don't need to be persuaded, but I wish Pro Flowers would make a product without the K also. It would give us more control and that is what we can get in the ag market... many different flavors of Nutriphite, some with K, CA, seaweed etc. See here https://www.biagro.com/nutri_phite/np...t_line_up.html Anyway, phosphite is best used via foliar. It can also be used in the soil (or hydro) but the delivery system is best suited via the leaf, IMO. My 2 cents.
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