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slmndl · 05-04-2010, 06:38 AM

I read and reread the cloning posts and the MJ bible and I try and try and keep killing clones.
Light or no light? How much humidity?-do plastic bags work or
only "humidity domes??
Keep soil/cube wet but not soggy? (how do you know its soggy?)
Wet leaves and let cube dry?
It really is not easy to keep a clone alive.

stillsmokin843 · 05-04-2010, 06:44 AM

Well you could always buy or build a ez cloaner 90 plus percent every time set it and forget it

slmndl · 05-04-2010, 07:06 AM

yes, I'm about to do that, but everyone says "keep trying" (I am having nightmares about murdering clones). It reminds me of so many things in life where you need to find just
the right "balance" (like riding a bike, or hitting a tennis ball just right).
Thanks....

wolfeman · 05-04-2010, 07:30 AM

Dude, get an EZ cloner. I just transferred my latest batch (my fourth, so it's not like I'm a veteran or anything...) and got 30 out of 30..100%.

I learned here, BTW. So thanks to all that post here!!!

Sanitation is everything IMHO; with an EZ cloner that is. Before you take cuttings, run the machine with all the parts in it for a few hours, no plants- use a water and hydrogen peroxide mix. Take it apart and scrub the plugs and anything else you can see that looks like it shouldn't be there. Flush it good, then your ready.

Me thinks they like light...they are plants afterall. Not too much of course just a flouro about a foot away.

They say you don't need humidity with an EZ cloner, but I run a humidifier in my clone/veg room to be safe. Wean them of humidity after they have rooted and are in veg.

I use 2.5 ML per gallon M-G-B in the water at 5.8 ph.

Of course, put a small fan nearby to keep the air fresh

I just threw away 20 babies because I only needed 10 of them. It's a little heartbreaking really. Nice problem to have

moonie · 05-04-2010, 03:29 PM

I've yet to lose a clone and I dont even try. Stop trying so hard, try dfferent mediums, my first time cloning I just took the cuttings, put em in a cup of water overnight, the next day I put a drop of superthrive in the water and ket it sit for a minute or two. Then I just put the cuttings straight into 50% Soil 50% Perlite. Now I'm useing rockwool, still like useing the soil method better really.

Justin_Credible · 05-04-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by moonie

I've yet to lose a clone and I dont even try. Stop trying so hard, try dfferent mediums, my first time cloning I just took the cuttings, put em in a cup of water overnight, the next day I put a drop of superthrive in the water and ket it sit for a minute or two. Then I just put the cuttings straight into 50% Soil 50% Perlite. Now I'm useing rockwool, still like useing the soil method better really.

Again I agree with moonie (diff thread though). You are trying too hard. The first time I cloned I was told to get myself a brick or two of gro-dan rockwool. Read the directions on the brick my friend says. 5 Gal bucket, 5.5 water, soak rockwools, wait an hour check ph again, should rise to 6.0. Take cutting/s, dip in rooting hormone, place in cube. Done. I do use perlite in bottom of my tray to help absorb the water/oxygen transfer....it is kind of like finding a balance between wet and dry. The first three days I have the holes in my plastic dome closed to create and keep condensation for the cubes. Then I open the holes up for another two days...Tah'Dah! Roots...I do not spray or mist, or anything. I use a rooting hormone from a garden store sold by scotts. Hope this helps....some day you will look back at this when you are getting 100% return on them and you will laugh....it is not that it is hard, it is that you are trying too hard.

festivus · 05-04-2010, 05:44 PM

When I've had trouble with clones, it was because of too much light intensity. I was using a 150w cfl, and had the clone tray too close. When I moved them a couple of feet from the light, they did great.
Just my .02.

Good luck slmndl

LUDACRIS · 05-04-2010, 11:32 PM

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whodair · 05-04-2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by slmndl

yes, I'm about to do that, but everyone says "keep trying" (I am having nightmares about murdering clones). It reminds me of so many things in life where you need to find just
the right "balance" (like riding a bike, or hitting a tennis ball just right).
Thanks....

damn true. once you figure it out its really tough to screw up. im very abusive to my clones, i like to rough em up. i use a dirty razor. sometimes just stick them in dirt. i clone whole buds on harvest day. my typical survival rate is close to 100% moderate temp and humidity seems to do the trick

moonie · 05-05-2010, 02:21 PM

1 40 watt cfl is good for a tray of 6-8 small clones starting out. And I lied, I lost my first clone last night, so sad. Back to trying, yeah, gro dan, I dont follow those directions either. I've done side by side tests, seriously I've had better resluts with quick soaks and NOT adjusting the Ph, then just popping the cuuting in there, almost no shock compared to letting the gro dan soak and Ph ing it, much more shock that way, weird.

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slmndl Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 53	clone killer strikes again I read and reread the cloning posts and the MJ bible and I try and try and keep killing clones. Light or no light? How much humidity?-do plastic bags work or only "humidity domes?? Keep soil/cube wet but not soggy? (how do you know its soggy?) Wet leaves and let cube dry? It really is not easy to keep a clone alive.
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festivus STAY TOASTY MY FRIENDS! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Valley Isle Posts: 2,605	When I've had trouble with clones, it was because of too much light intensity. I was using a 150w cfl, and had the clone tray too close. When I moved them a couple of feet from the light, they did great. Just my .02. Good luck slmndl __________________ Seed Buyers Beware! Don't waste your money on hype. If you have to buy multiple seed packs to find that "keeper", you're getting ripped off. Every female in a pack of seeds should be a keeper! We've been led to believe that lots of variation in a cross is a good thing, because some vendors would rather you buy several packs of their gear, instead of them actually doing the selections to fix that nag champa or golden clit trait themselves. For hobby growers, pheno hunting is fun. But mono-croppers who grow to pay the bills prefer a consistent product that regularly delivers the desired trait package.
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stillsmokin843 good nugs Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: 409 or 843 mabey it was 607 yep thats it Posts: 548	Well you could always buy or build a ez cloaner 90 plus percent every time set it and forget it
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05-04-2010, 07:06 AM	#3
slmndl Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 53	yes, I'm about to do that, but everyone says "keep trying" (I am having nightmares about murdering clones). It reminds me of so many things in life where you need to find just the right "balance" (like riding a bike, or hitting a tennis ball just right). Thanks....
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05-04-2010, 07:30 AM	#4
wolfeman Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: East bay CA Posts: 49	Dude, get an EZ cloner. I just transferred my latest batch (my fourth, so it's not like I'm a veteran or anything...) and got 30 out of 30..100%. I learned here, BTW. So thanks to all that post here!!! Sanitation is everything IMHO; with an EZ cloner that is. Before you take cuttings, run the machine with all the parts in it for a few hours, no plants- use a water and hydrogen peroxide mix. Take it apart and scrub the plugs and anything else you can see that looks like it shouldn't be there. Flush it good, then your ready. Me thinks they like light...they are plants afterall. Not too much of course just a flouro about a foot away. They say you don't need humidity with an EZ cloner, but I run a humidifier in my clone/veg room to be safe. Wean them of humidity after they have rooted and are in veg. I use 2.5 ML per gallon M-G-B in the water at 5.8 ph. Of course, put a small fan nearby to keep the air fresh I just threw away 20 babies because I only needed 10 of them. It's a little heartbreaking really. Nice problem to have
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05-04-2010, 03:29 PM	#5
moonie Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: in my house Posts: 195	I've yet to lose a clone and I dont even try. Stop trying so hard, try dfferent mediums, my first time cloning I just took the cuttings, put em in a cup of water overnight, the next day I put a drop of superthrive in the water and ket it sit for a minute or two. Then I just put the cuttings straight into 50% Soil 50% Perlite. Now I'm useing rockwool, still like useing the soil method better really.
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LUDACRIS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SCOTLAND Posts: 1,993	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ahWq...layer_embedded
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05-05-2010, 02:21 PM	#10
moonie Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: in my house Posts: 195	1 40 watt cfl is good for a tray of 6-8 small clones starting out. And I lied, I lost my first clone last night, so sad. Back to trying, yeah, gro dan, I dont follow those directions either. I've done side by side tests, seriously I've had better resluts with quick soaks and NOT adjusting the Ph, then just popping the cuuting in there, almost no shock compared to letting the gro dan soak and Ph ing it, much more shock that way, weird.
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