[thatguynotspam]

Ok I'm considering 2x205 penatrators in my 4x3 area but I would really like to know how this would compare to the 600w led from USA LED. I have an odd footprint but the closet was made that way lol! This is just my flowering room and its actually 4lx3wx7h. I have been doing my own reasearch but can find nothing on the 600w from USA LED, any input would be great! Please feel free to post your recomendations for my area Ledgirl. THANKS!!!! By the way, I currently run a 600w hps with great results!

[LEDGirl]

Hi ThatGuy,

I always scratch my head when presented with questions such as this. The first thing that comes to mind is "why is this person even considering this other company?" You state yourself that you can find no information on their 600W light, nor grow tests performed with it, and yet we give countless grow tests showing how our lights compare to not only HID, but other competitor's LED's. We also supply you with all of the research and data behind our lights, and why they are designed the way they are. Our technology is proven and growing rapidly, and there is no lack of grow tests to prove that. So it makes me wonder again, "Why would this person even consider this other company when they provide you with nothing?".

I've analyzed literally every different LED Grow Light on the market at one time or another, and they all have similar flaws: 120 degree viewing angle, non-targeted photosynthesis peaks, and/or missing spectral output, and looking at their site (USA LED) they have ALL 3 of these inefficiencies. They also make RIDICULOUS claims regarding their product, and of course don't have anything to back it up. That 600W compares to a 2660W Metal Halide? How did they come up with that!?!?!? I guess their SUPER CHEAPO prices might make some people look at them more than once, but normally these companies are just "front" sites for Chinese manufacturers looking to get in on retail, not just wholesale. They give you 1 red, 1 white, and 1 blue and use almost the exact same colors that Haight Solid State does. Our 126W went against their 186W light in a test performed by 420 Magazine, and our light with 35% less power produced 2.44X the yield! So I guess if you want those kinds of results, buy their product. If you want the best LED light on the market, we're the only ones to look at

[ft100]

And who knows, u buy 2 205s and a couple 126s for veg and you might get a break from the best led light manufacturer in the world right now. Figure I'd try to help both parties out. But really it is obvious that hydrogrowled is the best. Good luck to you both. Peace and smoke.

[LEDGirl]

You're right FT, if you buy several panels we do often give discounts

[KharmaGirl]

I can think of a couple reasons why

[Darkgan]

Originally Posted by thatguynotspam

Ok I'm considering 2x205 penatrators in my 4x3 area but I would really like to know how this would compare to the 600w led from USA LED. I have an odd footprint but the closet was made that way lol! This is just my flowering room and its actually 4lx3wx7h. I have been doing my own reasearch but can find nothing on the 600w from USA LED, any input would be great! Please feel free to post your recomendations for my area Ledgirl. THANKS!!!! By the way, I currently run a 600w hps with great results!

Most LED lights don't pull their weight: Thusly, why LED gets so much hate. Really, if you're going to spend the money on LED, spend it on some HGL's

[thatguynotspam]

Lol thanks for the info, even if the delivery was a bit harsh!! lol. Thats ok I can take it, nothing wrong with brutal honesty in my opinion! Like I stated in my first post, 2 of your 205 penatrators is my first chioce, however the smart consumer educates himself on on available options. In fact I did read everything I could find which is how I came about my first choice. The only two system i can find no info in is the 600w USA LED and the GROWEL LED. Everyone says the same thing as you, "ours are the best". I do like all of the side by side comps you did and THAT is why you are ahead of the pack. Price is the last factor in fact. I also asked for your recomendations for my grow, and since that went unanswered I will ask again, sine you are the expert on your own systems, do you feel for my set up that 2 of your 205's is the right way to go or would you use a differtn combo? Thanks for the input!!!

[thatguynotspam]

Originally Posted by Darkgan

Most LED lights don't pull their weight: Thusly, why LED gets so much hate. Really, if you're going to spend the money on LED, spend it on some HGL's

Can you elaborate on the above quote a bit? From the test they do look like they are in the game, maybe not quite as good and more expensive true but in the game. I see the point if you are a commericial grower but fot the closet guy they seem to be a solid option, expecially in the stated who arent grow friendly, in the age of thermal scans and smart meters. I am very interested in all opinions on this, I want to be able to make the most educated decision possible. Thanks!!!!

[LEDGirl]

Sorry for not answering your recommendation question. Didn't mean to let that go unanswered I'm also glad that you don't take offense to brutal honesty, as that's more or less the only way I know how to be lol!

(2) 205W units would cover a 4'x3' area at their maximum height (12-14"), as each panel is only recommended for a 30" x 30" area at 6-9" above your plants. Another way to get nice light spread over that size area is with (3) of our 126W lights, even though it's slightly less power. 3 lights will spread the light a bit more evenly over your area vs 2, but the choice is up to you.

Growl LED spent a lot of money on magazines, google, and forums, but I still haven't seen a grow test done with one of their lights. I tried getting 420 Magazine to run our lights against theirs, but needless to say 420 Mag is run by a bunch of whiny bitchy mods who care more about catering to their friends, rather than doing anything for their sponsors so it never happened. You mentioning USA LED was the first I'd ever heard of them. One thing that screams "STAY AWAY" though, is the fact that they don't use 660nm in their products. 660nm is the main output necessary for flowering, on top of 740nm IR which also plays a vital role. Without it, flowering response will be weak as seen with Haight Solid State

[Darkgan]

Originally Posted by thatguynotspam

Can you elaborate on the above quote a bit? From the test they do look like they are in the game, maybe not quite as good and more expensive true but in the game. I see the point if you are a commericial grower but fot the closet guy they seem to be a solid option, expecially in the stated who arent grow friendly, in the age of thermal scans and smart meters. I am very interested in all opinions on this, I want to be able to make the most educated decision possible. Thanks!!!!

Well -- You CAN get results with lesser quality lights -- The problem is that the tradeoff isn't worth it. In general, you'll be paying half the price per watt, for a light that yields 2-4x less per watt. Furthermore, you don't have the reputation behind the company, so you don't know if they'll replace things if they break/burn out, etc.

For me, personally? If I'm going to spend $1000 on a grow light, I don't want 'quantity' over 'quality'. More wattage does NOT mean better yield, as far as LED is concerned.

Why pay for a 600w system that yields less than a 345w system, for the same price? You're using more watts, and getting less out of them! Pointless, in my opinion. Especially when considering electricity costs. This is, of course, assuming they do similar to the other non-HGL LED's.

And again, I'm no fanboy. In fact, for a while there, I really didn't think HGL would be worth it (Thusly why I bought my 90w ebay ufo first). Well, it turns out it is. I only wished I'd found out sooner, haha.

Edit PS: I think one of the main reasons LED's are hated on, is because HPS users are so used to looking at the wattage of their systems. You can buy a cheapo $120 HPS and still pull off pretty damn good results. The same is not quite true for LED's. People need to adjust their mindset, when researching and purchasing LED. It's not so much "How many watts is this beast?", but rather, "How efficiently does this beast USE the watts it HAS."