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gkn · 07-10-2010, 04:19 AM

This thread is so interesting! thanks for your posts elmanito and Raco!
keep it up!

saludos

Hrpuffnkush · 07-10-2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by elmanito

According to Karl Hillig every cannabis which belongs to the drug gene pool is called Cannabis indica, also the Thai, Jamaican or oldskool Mexicans etc.
The Cannabis sativa is in his eyes the hemp gene pool.

At certain point in time the DNA of a plant changed cannabis/hemp is born....

I was Speaking with Robert about this, and he said same thing
All hemp is sativa and vs versa , All cannabis containing psychoactive properties is indica , leaf shape does not necessarily determine plant species ...
Robert seems to think Cannabis/hemp originated in China
id agree, Also he seems to think that prehistoric neolithic man
were first to discover the magical properties and since then man has spread cannabis/hemp were ever he has gone..
Wich i would guess its safe to say technically the only landrace strains are hemp. All other other psychoactive strains would be heriloom strains/basic hybrids due to man introducing them to new environments and and species. ?
Depending on how long strain stays in a certain region over time im sure it would adapt to it surroundings climate and environmental
factors and over time will adapt displaying its new characteristics

In theroy this can be solved and soon im sure will ....

Really great post!!!!!! i love this stuff!

darwinsbulldog · 07-10-2010, 09:07 AM

yeah that's it, i think the terms sativa and indica must have been mistakenly used to describe two different common phenotypes of cannabis indica... but in all the papers i read they refer to the psychoactive cannabis as cannabis sativa. they make things really confusing by doing this. it's Cannabis sativa sativa = hemp and Cannabis sativa indica = psychoactive drug cannabis correct? so the C. sativa sativa is one subspecies and C. sativa indica is another, but yeah i rarely ever see anyone ever use the subspecies name on the end of C. sativa to describe either, most people seem to just use the species name. also i think people must've started to use sativa to describe those tall spindly indica phenotypes that resembled the tall fibre hemp phenos. correct me if i'm wrong.

i also believe that the word indica means india, as this is where the psychoactive drug was first found by westerners at least, whether or not it originated there.

did a quick search and there's some great info on wiki on the taxonomy, though i haven't read all of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis

mriko · 07-10-2010, 11:18 AM

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i also believe that the word indica means india, as this is where the psychoactive drug was first found by westerners at least, whether or not it originated there.

Indeed, C. indica was first described by Lamarck, from a South Indian palnt, if memory serves me.

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most people seem to just use the species name. also i think people must've started to use sativa to describe those tall spindly indica phenotypes that resembled the tall fibre hemp phenos. correct me if i'm wrong.

This is Schultes' classification, established according to the physical traits of the plants. It is the most commonly used actually, but not 100% confirmed as there is no final word yet as to what is what.

Irie !

darwinsbulldog · 07-10-2010, 11:27 AM

yeah hopefully one day someone goes through and can work out the genetic relationships (how closely they're all related) between all the subspecies etc and classify it all properly. it'd be really interesting to see the distance between them, as i'm sure there'd be some surprises there to be discovered. like a lot of domesticated animals though, they are effectively the same species as the wild ones they've been domesticated from, eg. canis lupus (grey wolf) and Canis lupus familiaris (common domesticated dog). though they look nothing alike if you compare a chihuahua and a wolf, they're the same species. so i'd say if all these varieties of cannabis are the same.

englishrick · 07-10-2010, 11:35 AM

yess,,,,,,i think we need to classify it without the confusion ,,,

id like to use hillig`s biotype names or Mc Partlands,,but the hemp classification of sativa still confuses everything

ps,,,thanks Raco

,,,,its cool to know your keepin an eye on me,,,,,looks like your standing by your sig,,,,a man of his word,,,

Hrpuffnkush · 07-10-2010, 07:56 PM

im working on a basic DNA Familial cannabis data base... If others do the same the family tree will start to show its self....

im sure a lot of previous information on cannabis will change do to the advance of technology

Indica (or indicum) means "of India", or "Indian", in Latin and is applied to things connected with India or South Asia

englishrick · 07-11-2010, 02:49 AM

id love to be involved in a total reclassification,,,thats a major dream right there!,,,,,full cannabis reform!

darwinsbulldog · 07-11-2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by englishrick

id love to be involved in a total reclassification,,,thats a major dream right there!,,,,,full cannabis reform!

lol me too!! where do i sign up haha

englishrick · 07-11-2010, 03:52 AM

id like to see a new classification

,,,

something to classify the weed i smoke,,,

"no way,,, this herb aint aint cannabis

,,what you talking about willis"

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darwinsbulldog Landrace Lover Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kingdom of Aus Posts: 2,706	yeah that's it, i think the terms sativa and indica must have been mistakenly used to describe two different common phenotypes of cannabis indica... but in all the papers i read they refer to the psychoactive cannabis as cannabis sativa. they make things really confusing by doing this. it's Cannabis sativa sativa = hemp and Cannabis sativa indica = psychoactive drug cannabis correct? so the C. sativa sativa is one subspecies and C. sativa indica is another, but yeah i rarely ever see anyone ever use the subspecies name on the end of C. sativa to describe either, most people seem to just use the species name. also i think people must've started to use sativa to describe those tall spindly indica phenotypes that resembled the tall fibre hemp phenos. correct me if i'm wrong. i also believe that the word indica means india, as this is where the psychoactive drug was first found by westerners at least, whether or not it originated there. did a quick search and there's some great info on wiki on the taxonomy, though i haven't read all of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis __________________ ** DISCLAIMER ** Everything said here is fictional and made up, all photos were found on the internet. Jimmy Carter - “When the legal side effects of a substance cause more harm to a person than the side effects of the substance itself, we have an injustice!”
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07-10-2010, 11:27 AM	#35
darwinsbulldog Landrace Lover Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kingdom of Aus Posts: 2,706	yeah hopefully one day someone goes through and can work out the genetic relationships (how closely they're all related) between all the subspecies etc and classify it all properly. it'd be really interesting to see the distance between them, as i'm sure there'd be some surprises there to be discovered. like a lot of domesticated animals though, they are effectively the same species as the wild ones they've been domesticated from, eg. canis lupus (grey wolf) and Canis lupus familiaris (common domesticated dog). though they look nothing alike if you compare a chihuahua and a wolf, they're the same species. so i'd say if all these varieties of cannabis are the same. __________________ ** DISCLAIMER ** Everything said here is fictional and made up, all photos were found on the internet. Jimmy Carter - “When the legal side effects of a substance cause more harm to a person than the side effects of the substance itself, we have an injustice!”
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07-10-2010, 11:35 AM	#36
englishrick Plumber/Builder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: B&Q Posts: 6,686	yess,,,,,,i think we need to classify it without the confusion ,,, id like to use hillig`s biotype names or Mc Partlands,,but the hemp classification of sativa still confuses everything ps,,,thanks Raco,,,,its cool to know your keepin an eye on me,,,,,looks like your standing by your sig,,,,a man of his word,,, __________________ i.c.mag saved my life
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07-11-2010, 02:49 AM	#38
englishrick Plumber/Builder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: B&Q Posts: 6,686	id love to be involved in a total reclassification,,,thats a major dream right there!,,,,,full cannabis reform! __________________ i.c.mag saved my life
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07-10-2010, 07:56 PM	#37
Hrpuffnkush Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,037	im working on a basic DNA Familial cannabis data base... If others do the same the family tree will start to show its self.... im sure a lot of previous information on cannabis will change do to the advance of technology Indica (or indicum) means "of India", or "Indian", in Latin and is applied to things connected with India or South Asia
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07-11-2010, 03:52 AM	#40
englishrick Plumber/Builder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: B&Q Posts: 6,686	id like to see a new classification,,, something to classify the weed i smoke,,, "no way,,, this herb aint aint cannabis,,what you talking about willis" __________________ i.c.mag saved my life
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