The Origin Of Cannabis - Page 3 - Landraces - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

Emperor Herer · 06-14-2010, 10:28 AM

Cool project I have been watching for years... Human migration... for 100,000 years or so...

https://genographic.nationalgeograph...hic/index.html

Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

darwinsbulldog · 07-09-2010, 04:26 PM

brilliant thread rick thanks for putting this together, i'll have to read it all as soon as i get the chance

keep the info coming guys!

englishrick · 07-09-2010, 04:37 PM

thanks man...

ive been wondering what to add to it lately tho

darwinsbulldog · 07-09-2010, 04:46 PM

i've been wondering lately about the african landraces. as i don't think (from what i've read) cannabis evolved there, it must have been transported by traders and farmers many 1000s of years ago, hence becoming landraces. i'm wondering if this is right or not? and if so, though we probably can't answer the question here, where do the genetics of these african landrace strains originate from, the closest parts of asia? or maybe the furthest parts to the east? it'd be really interested to know. my masters project studies these sorts of questions and that's why i'd love to one day do something to answer these sorts of things and work out where the most likely place cannabis sativa originated/evolved, there has to be only one region that can claim this. ahh also the same goes for the south american landraces.

englishrick · 07-09-2010, 05:22 PM

Raco once posted something about trade routes from Clark`s Hashish...

yeh i think you right,,,hemp is not endigenous to Africa

but i personly think cannabis is a product of domestication syndrome,,,,so i think most cannabis evolved compleetly inderpendantly anyways,,,,hemp was distrabuted and inside populations of hemp dwarf drug phenos were selectivly bred inderpendantly

the vaireation and distrabution of hemp species an the precursors to hemp species is more intresting than cannabis imo

darwinsbulldog · 07-09-2010, 05:27 PM

yeah well said, definitely worth thinking about!

englishrick · 07-09-2010, 05:38 PM

sorry,,,id just like to mention,,,i dont use the words "cannabis sativa" to discribe hemp,,,,i know alot of biologist do,,,,,,,,to make it easy,,i just call them "hemp species" and "cannabis species or biotypes",,,,,,,,,i feel the words "cannabis sativa" when used t dicribe hemp confuses people like me "weedhead stoner growers"

07-09-2010, 06:43 PM

According to Karl Hillig every cannabis which belongs to the drug gene pool is called Cannabis indica, also the Thai, Jamaican or oldskool Mexicans etc.
The Cannabis sativa is in his eyes the hemp gene pool.

https://www.amjbot.org/cgi/reprint/91/6/966

Namaste

mriko · 07-09-2010, 08:30 PM

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i've been wondering lately about the african landraces. as i don't think (from what i've read) cannabis evolved there, it must have been transported by traders and farmers many 1000s of years ago, hence becoming landraces. i'm wondering if this is right or not? and if so, though we probably can't answer the question here, where do the genetics of these african landrace strains originate from, the closest parts of asia? or maybe the furthest parts to the east? it'd be really interested to know. my masters project studies these sorts of questions and that's why i'd love to one day do something to answer these sorts of things and work out where the most likely place cannabis sativa originated/evolved, there has to be only one region that can claim this. ahh also the same goes for the south american landraces.

African landraces originates from Indian sub-continent for the most part, introduced by Arab traders. For South African ones, many have been brought by African slaves, but also by Western invaders (to a lesser extent) & Indian coolies (Caribbeans) have brought with them their Indian home strains.

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According to Karl Hillig every cannabis which belongs to the drug gene pool is called Cannabis indica, also the Thai, Jamaican or oldskool Mexicans etc.
The Cannabis sativa is in his eyes the hemp gene pool.

Indeed, but he admits himself that there were not enough strains to analyse so as to get a clear & final picture.
Plus, there are areas were the same crop is grown for charas, seeds & fibers (such as Darchula district in Nepal), a production system which, according to R.C. Clark, was quite widespread in Asia, prior to the relatively recent influences of market economics and law enforcement.

Irie !

**Raco** · 07-10-2010, 01:18 AM

From Clarke´s Hashish!

06-14-2010, 10:28 AM	#21
Emperor Herer Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ina galaxy far, far away Posts: 120	Cool project I have been watching for years... Human migration... for 100,000 years or so... https://genographic.nationalgeograph...hic/index.html Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it. __________________ 'Dammit Jack, why do you always get to go first...' You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. Ayn Rand https://www.icmag.com/ic/image.php?t...ine=1274934828
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07-09-2010, 04:26 PM	#22
darwinsbulldog Landrace Lover Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kingdom of Aus Posts: 2,706	brilliant thread rick thanks for putting this together, i'll have to read it all as soon as i get the chance keep the info coming guys! __________________ ** DISCLAIMER ** Everything said here is fictional and made up, all photos were found on the internet. Jimmy Carter - “When the legal side effects of a substance cause more harm to a person than the side effects of the substance itself, we have an injustice!”
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englishrick Plumber/Builder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: B&Q Posts: 6,686	thanks man... ive been wondering what to add to it lately tho __________________ i.c.mag saved my life
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07-09-2010, 04:46 PM	#24
darwinsbulldog Landrace Lover Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kingdom of Aus Posts: 2,706	i've been wondering lately about the african landraces. as i don't think (from what i've read) cannabis evolved there, it must have been transported by traders and farmers many 1000s of years ago, hence becoming landraces. i'm wondering if this is right or not? and if so, though we probably can't answer the question here, where do the genetics of these african landrace strains originate from, the closest parts of asia? or maybe the furthest parts to the east? it'd be really interested to know. my masters project studies these sorts of questions and that's why i'd love to one day do something to answer these sorts of things and work out where the most likely place cannabis sativa originated/evolved, there has to be only one region that can claim this. ahh also the same goes for the south american landraces. __________________ ** DISCLAIMER ** Everything said here is fictional and made up, all photos were found on the internet. Jimmy Carter - “When the legal side effects of a substance cause more harm to a person than the side effects of the substance itself, we have an injustice!”
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07-09-2010, 05:22 PM	#25
englishrick Plumber/Builder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: B&Q Posts: 6,686	Raco once posted something about trade routes from Clark`s Hashish... yeh i think you right,,,hemp is not endigenous to Africa but i personly think cannabis is a product of domestication syndrome,,,,so i think most cannabis evolved compleetly inderpendantly anyways,,,,hemp was distrabuted and inside populations of hemp dwarf drug phenos were selectivly bred inderpendantly the vaireation and distrabution of hemp species an the precursors to hemp species is more intresting than cannabis imo __________________ i.c.mag saved my life
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07-09-2010, 05:27 PM	#26
darwinsbulldog Landrace Lover Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kingdom of Aus Posts: 2,706	yeah well said, definitely worth thinking about! __________________ ** DISCLAIMER ** Everything said here is fictional and made up, all photos were found on the internet. Jimmy Carter - “When the legal side effects of a substance cause more harm to a person than the side effects of the substance itself, we have an injustice!”
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07-09-2010, 05:38 PM	#27
englishrick Plumber/Builder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: B&Q Posts: 6,686	sorry,,,id just like to mention,,,i dont use the words "cannabis sativa" to discribe hemp,,,,i know alot of biologist do,,,,,,,,to make it easy,,i just call them "hemp species" and "cannabis species or biotypes",,,,,,,,,i feel the words "cannabis sativa" when used t dicribe hemp confuses people like me "weedhead stoner growers" __________________ i.c.mag saved my life
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07-09-2010, 06:43 PM	#28
elmanito Guest Posts: n/a	According to Karl Hillig every cannabis which belongs to the drug gene pool is called Cannabis indica, also the Thai, Jamaican or oldskool Mexicans etc. The Cannabis sativa is in his eyes the hemp gene pool. https://www.amjbot.org/cgi/reprint/91/6/966 Namaste
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07-10-2010, 01:18 AM	#30
Raco secretion engineer Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7,008	From Clarke´s Hashish! __________________ ICMag Air Sitar Player nº 1
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