[Guest423]

Alright, I'm gonna throw a curveball here and begin a discussion on something I've thought about for a long time. I'm from the Northern Midwest USA and we have wild hemp that has grown here for a very long time. If you grow outdoors pretty much anywhere around here your going to get your plants pollinated by some of the pollen that flies around for miles and miles, even if you only get slightly seeded no matter what you get a few seeds.

The best way to guard your plants is using cornfields as a shield, find a chunk of land or an island in the center somewhere. In our area you rotate crops every year so a field will be corn this year and then beans the next, ect. The years your surrounded by corn you get way less beans then if the field around you was beans. I got it down to a science, if I had to guess I'd say I get about 10 seeds in an ounce if that, while most of my buddies looks like some mexi brick loaded with seeds.

The Feral Hemp that grows wild around here has been open pollinating itself by natural selection for ages, it's terpenes are really stinky, gets loaded with trichomes, tastes good, but has pretty much zero THC. This is "ditchweed" or "headache weed", ect. Its been grown here naturally for so long its acclimatized itself for my area and is strong, great pest and mold resistance, and flowers early and on time to make sure it finishes its cycle before the cold winters, naturally.

Many of outdoor growers around these parts who have depended on starting with fresh seed year by year have lost their gene pools because of the Feral Hemp pollinating their lines year after year (example for my area is the Roadkill Skunk).

Say they start off with a nice 100% Afghan and grow it around here. Well year after year of letting it breed and pollinate outside you get the Feral Hemp in your genes and eventually it over runs your line and you end up losing your potency, before they know it they are growing a strain thats Feral Hemp dominant from being backcrossed to the hemp so many times. I don't know if they even understand whats happening, I just put 2 and 2 together after wondering why growing up all the weed from the outdoor growers that used to be killer is all of a sudden bunk.

The clone growers don't really have a problem since they are using their cuttings every year and the Feral Hemp is only pollinationg it once and they aren't growing the seeds. A person recieving it would smoke the buds and think its bomb and are happy they found a few seeds in their sack. They could easily grow them beans and find some nice plants and also probably some sub-par ones.

This all leads up to some of my thoughts, kinda hoping to dig into the minds of some real breeders. I've always pondered the idea of creating a stellar outdoor speciman for my area or using the Feral Hemp for the outcross to eventually breed back to the original clone I was using. Everything I'd have saved would be 1 time crossed.

For example lets say I grew some Bubba Kush and naturally it got pollinated by some Feral Hemp. I'd have Bubba x Hemp, I could take those seeds and have the males pollinate back to the Bubba clone. How well do you think the Feral Hemp would work for the 1 time outcross? From there consistantly select Bubba male phenos to pollinate back to the Bubba clone repeatedly.

I also wondered about the ones I've saved of the clones I no longer have, like say OG, Cheese, Urkle, ect. I grew all those clones outside and they got lightly pollinated by the hemp and I kept some of the beans just in case I ever needed them for anything. How effective would it be to grow some Cheese x Feral Hemp and select only Cheese phenos for future inbreeding? While doing any of this one could stumble across a pheno with the original clone potency with some of the growth characteristics wanted from the Feral Hemp, like earlier flowering, more yeild, ect.

Here is a little video clip so some of you can get a better understanding of what I'm talking about, its pretty educational and interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5IQ2PrSWG4



Discuss

[Thule]

I'd certainly go about pollinating the feral hemp with some dank pollen, rather than the other way around. Just cut the close by males and bring in the daddy. Do it for two years and you've pretty much eliminated the cbd producing allele, it's really that simple if you keep the incoming feral pollen in minimum. That way the plants would be shedding thc producing seeds and each year you'd have slightly better ditch weed in the area.

Hemp x Afghan would probably produce plants of intermediate thc/cbd, chemotype bd/bt.

Afghan hemp x Afghan would be pretty much all thc, chemotype bt/bt.

I hope this helps.

[Guest423]

We've all thought about that in the past, only problem is there is just to much hemp, you'd have to work 24/7 trying to cut down the amount of hemp. This stuff grows along the roads, behind the barns, down the fence rows, behind the schools and churches, its every where. The Feral pollen is in the air everywhere, your much better off taking your Clone x Feral Hemp indoors to do something with it.

I have about 5000 or so beans of different strains I've made in the past that I'll never get around to growing, I was thinking about just going out and dumping those right in and around an isolated hemp patch down in a valley or something and see what becomes of it.

[burningfire]

I'm working on a project like that for ornamental purposes, my first cross, chitral (m) x feral nepalese (f) , turned out better potency wise than the female wild hemp and retained the same look, aroma wise it smelled like pinesol, while the original plant smelled like sweet carrots and orange peel, cured to a berry smell, there was an effect but it had very little presence, very subtle, the cross was a bit more potent but I smoked all I had a day after eating a huge cookie, enough to make me trip out for an hour, needless to say my mind was a little dull. so I'll hold off on commenting on the potency of the cross until this summer's crop is harvested

I think any feral hemp will do a better job at propagating their seeds than drug type cultivars, and genetically I am willing to bet the hardiest individuals will be the less potent ones, I don't know how long the potency will be around in nature.


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right now I'm thinking about putting a few haze males to flower to collect pollen, just to increase side branching and color, I've been talking with the seedbank where I'Ve bought the seeds and they don't seem to confident about my project but this isn't something very serious, I'm just incredible curious to see what kind of results I'd get.

If hemp is made legal, it could be very bad for outdoor growers of the drug type. Right now the Gov loves to eradicate feral hemp. Maybe you can get some one to report the feral patches to the gov. The Gov acted real proud about eradicating ''marijuana" near a place I used to live, funny thing is ,you could smoke a whole ounce at a time and never catch a buzz off it.

[Londinium]

Thanks for the video link T2U its great,I've read some of mr wests papers and he is a clever man!
As far as the hemp/high-grade hybrids I think a little of both Ideas would be a good method....You could go out and try to select seed from a bunch of the local hemp that seem the closest to good Seed hemp and furthest from rope hemp as the seed hemp pheno's are probably the best starting point...If you could actually smoke test a lot of the diff wild stuff and find the least headachey strains or most potent(if there is any with higher potency at all-even a little)that would start you from a better initial position possibly methinks...
You could use best males to pollinate a dank strain with and in-breed for a few gens(at least f2 better f4)selecting towards dankness as usual....Then use the best males from that gen to pollinate the wild weeds out there.....Just taking some hi-grade strains and planting near the hemp will give you some environ-adapted but smokable hemp,but only in controlled conditons and without the local pollen fucking it all up.Too hard to predict the results with that pollen always interfereing. Good luck though it would be very interesting to see what the results were in a few seasons.
Theres a UK guy on IC(forgot who now!)that lives near some massive commercial hemp feilds and was planning to sneak a few ganja plants amongst them and it started a similar discussion to this about the the hemp/ganja crossing either deliberately or not.
BTW Hows the Roadkill hunt going...getting any closer to the RKS?any close cousins found? JBo ;]

[Emperor Herer]

I got an idea.. no, just one word: G13

American grass, as we know it. Didnt it all start on government HEMP farm in Mississippi?

Ya ya ya I know, but, it all starts some where.

Smoke it and breed, smoke it and breae

Think, Mel Frank in the early days growing in NYNY. Figure out a grading system that even a stoned stoner can fallow and breed breed breed!




Stay cool, stay safe

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[burningfire]

nah, the weed growing has been around for more than a century, some states will eradicate feral hemp but in some states since it's an important food for birds it's protected and left to grow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5IQ2PrSWG4

Plants look like the strains from North-India or Nepal.Great video!!!

Namaste

[Guest423]

Originally Posted by Londinium

BTW Hows the Roadkill hunt going...getting any closer to the RKS?any close cousins found? JBo ;]

I've ran across some pretty skunky specimens but nothing you could call straight up RKS. I'm about to fire up some MendoJoe Skunk from 78, maybe there will be something good in those, I'm also gonna be growing some Bubba x MendoJoe Skunk and selecting males to pollinate back to the Bubba.

I've found some real nice skunky specimens in the OG x Bubba I made, I had plans to cross them to some Northern Indian Indica but that plan kind of fell through. We'll see what the future holds.