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Old 04-13-2010, 12:17 AM #1
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Final Text Proposed Initiative #47

Legalize it! Write up your reps. Colorado to get this on the ballot in November. Thanks Tvert!

https://www.elections.colorado.gov/Co...0Text%2047.pdf
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Old 07-12-2010, 11:45 PM #2
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Why aren't we paying more attention to THIS?
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:16 AM #3
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This is good, but this isnt legalization. There is still a 6 plant limit per person unless you pay 5k per year and go through their paper hoops according to this. Its a much better direction than HB1284, but this still keeps growers who grow more than 6 but less than enough to supply a dispensary illegal. It also makes it harder for breeders and anyone that likes to clone (only being allowed 3 seedlings)

Wouldnt this eliminate the medical program? (since its then legal for anyone over 21, they wouldnt need docs recommendation = no <24 plant edibles)???

Another thing is setting the price to 250 or less...in what other industry is the price set like that? Shouldnt the free market dictate what the price is? Naturally, if its legal, the supply will go up, and prices will come down, thats a given.No need to regulate the price like that. It kind of discourages small-mid level "craft" growers from breeding better genetics or use methods that might command a higher price.

Lastly, 5k per year isnt that bad considering the alternative... But then again, this is just a consumable plant we are talking about. Like tomatoes or grapes. Less dangerous and more natural than liquor or tobacco. Why does it need to be taxed? Because they say we owe them? Because it used to be illegal? Because it can be used to get high? (like grapes/wine?) In the end, its extortion/ransom money we are paying to do something we should be allowed to do freely.

Legalize freedom. Anyone over 18 can grow as many as they want, for free, while maintaining their privacy without risk of incarceration. Everyone locked up for possession only, released. Thats the kind of change we should all be pushing for. That might be a dream, but 10-15 years ago, so was this amendment.
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:42 PM #4
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This is good, but this isnt legalization. There is still a 6 plant limit per person unless you pay 5k per year and go through their paper hoops according to this. Its a much better direction than HB1284, but this still keeps growers who grow more than 6 but less than enough to supply a dispensary illegal. It also makes it harder for breeders and anyone that likes to clone (only being allowed 3 seedlings)

Wouldnt this eliminate the medical program? (since its then legal for anyone over 21, they wouldnt need docs recommendation = no <24 plant edibles)???

Another thing is setting the price to 250 or less...in what other industry is the price set like that? Shouldnt the free market dictate what the price is? Naturally, if its legal, the supply will go up, and prices will come down, thats a given.No need to regulate the price like that. It kind of discourages small-mid level "craft" growers from breeding better genetics or use methods that might command a higher price.

Lastly, 5k per year isnt that bad considering the alternative... But then again, this is just a consumable plant we are talking about. Like tomatoes or grapes. Less dangerous and more natural than liquor or tobacco. Why does it need to be taxed? Because they say we owe them? Because it used to be illegal? Because it can be used to get high? (like grapes/wine?) In the end, its extortion/ransom money we are paying to do something we should be allowed to do freely.

Legalize freedom. Anyone over 18 can grow as many as they want, for free, while maintaining their privacy without risk of incarceration. Everyone locked up for possession only, released. Thats the kind of change we should all be pushing for. That might be a dream, but 10-15 years ago, so was this amendment.
Free market? Where? We live in a corporate socialist market now.
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Old 07-14-2010, 03:48 AM #5
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it's not good. it's not legalization. it's more complicated regulatory bs with no new ideas.

wtf did this 5 patient crap come from? why the hell are we using that number now?

its so frustrating. whoever is writing the rules, I'd like to come burn one with you and help break out of the box...

how about a square footage rule instead of plant count? then people can make best use of electricity, people can breed and come up with better medical strains, people can keep small versions of certain strains alive and available without having them in production, and so on. OR, make the limit on actively flowering plants, or only final dried and consumable product.
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Why aren't we paying more attention to THIS?
This is why...
https://www.legalize2012.com/models.legalization.html

A 2010 push does not quite have the political steam or time to do it.

2012 gives plenty of time to prepare, educate, register people to vote, and make it happen.

Patience... It's only been a bazillion years in prohibition.

Then we need to consider the federal prohibition too remember.
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Can anyone explain why we think that full legalization is the answer to our prayers, when we can't even get medical right? We are regulated with the idea that a marginal portion of the population is using, imagine if they tried regs with a good majority using in mind, ain't happening. IMO.
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:25 PM #8
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Can anyone explain why we think that full legalization is the answer to our prayers, when we can't even get medical right? We are regulated with the idea that a marginal portion of the population is using, imagine if they tried regs with a good majority using in mind, ain't happening. IMO.
The reason that they can't get medical right is that there are too many rules and regulations. HB10-1284 is 70+ pages long and doesn't even include the hundreds of pages of rules that the Department of Revenue and the Health Department add to that.
Then you also have the SB-109 from this year as well.

The 2 applications required to even run a center are over 30 pages long and will require probably 100 pages of attachments.

Make it simple and legal and a good portion of that crap goes away. But as it is now, government is doing what they do best... making a mess of simple things.
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