[jump117]

Originally Posted by medicalgreen

When you freeze your flowers, do you trim "wet", or allow the plant to dry for a few days first, and then call that "fresh"?

Fastest in the manufacture and fairest results I got from an entirely fresh material,
just cut from plants, green and juicy and not subjected to drying.

Soaking the fresh wet material requires a much larger quantity of butane,
fresh flowers are five times more volume than dry,
they must be completely covered with butane, with some surplus for a free stirring,
minimal volume of butane is the same, which takes the processed material, not less,
At the amateur low scales level the amount of butane and ethanol is not worried my pocket too much.
For professional care-givers with large scales this circumstance is probably the stopping factor.

Also the condition of freshness is inaccessible for buyers of the staff grown on the side.
Thus, AA can claim only a very narrow segment of the general practice of the methods of extraction.

I used a double extraction technique also to the dried material.
There is no bubbles in extract and no auto-buddering after that.

Originally Posted by daheadies

Doesnt pressure build up like crazy? Then how do you keep the pressure in, which might keep the butane from evaping so quickly?

I freeze the material in the extractor to prevent a sharp pressure spike at the beginning of butane contact with the material.
There is atmospheric pressure in open extractor such as thermos, tea-pot, coffee-press or other.
Frozen material shall not be in contact with warm air, it causes condensation of moisture from the air on cold surfaces
and the frost can cover and block the trichomes from extraction.

Originally Posted by daheadies

I did put the bowl that the weed and butane in the freezer while it was soaking

I hope I do not understand correctly. Not so long ago it was another message about butane in the freezer. Of course, it is very dangerous.

https://www.katu.com/news/106087888.html
A small spark from a freezer ignited butane gas that had built up inside a home as a result of someone extracting THC from marijuana Monday afternoon.
The explosion blew the door off the fridge and through a wall in the home, investigators said.

[daheadies]

Whoa ya you heard me right I didnt know that was possible... How the hell did a spark start in the freezer? either way Im glad i heard it from you before any future problems thanks for the heads up.. Normally I do my extraction outdoors, but when I was soaking it I figured put it in the freezer.. now that I think of it, it was the fridge, but either way..

I store my butane bottles in the freezer so they are freezing and ready to go when I do my extractions... is this a bomb waiting to happen, or is it cool cause its in a metal bottle/ not exposed to mere sparks?... and seriously.. sparks in the freezer? how/why/ is this something thats common?

[medicalgreen]

Originally Posted by daheadies

Whoa ya you heard me right I didnt know that was possible... How the hell did a spark start in the freezer? either way Im glad i heard it from you before any future problems thanks for the heads up.. Normally I do my extraction outdoors, but when I was soaking it I figured put it in the freezer.. now that I think of it, it was the fridge, but either way..

I store my butane bottles in the freezer so they are freezing and ready to go when I do my extractions... is this a bomb waiting to happen, or is it cool cause its in a metal bottle/ not exposed to mere sparks?... and seriously.. sparks in the freezer? how/why/ is this something thats common?

I think they were storing some not completely purged extraction in the freezer, then maybe the spark could ignite it. I doubt it could inside those bottles because that's why they store them in there.

[medicalgreen]

Originally Posted by jump117

Fastest in the manufacture and fairest results I got from an entirely fresh material,
just cut from plants, green and juicy and not subjected to drying.

Soaking the fresh wet material requires a much larger quantity of butane,
fresh flowers are five times more volume than dry,
they must be completely covered with butane, with some surplus for a free stirring,
minimal volume of butane is the same, which takes the processed material, not less,
At the amateur low scales level the amount of butane and ethanol is not worried my pocket too much.
For professional care-givers with large scales this circumstance is probably the stopping factor.

Also the condition of freshness is inaccessible for buyers of the staff grown on the side.
Thus, AA can claim only a very narrow segment of the general practice of the methods of extraction.

I used a double extraction technique also to the dried material.
There is no bubbles in extract and no auto-buddering after that.


I freeze the material in the extractor to prevent a sharp pressure spike at the beginning of butane contact with the material.
There is atmospheric pressure in open extractor such as thermos, tea-pot, coffee-press or other.
Frozen material shall not be in contact with warm air, it causes condensation of moisture from the air on cold surfaces
and the frost can cover and block the trichomes from extraction.

I hope I do not understand correctly. Not so long ago it was another message about butane in the freezer. Of course, it is very dangerous.

So, if I am to understand you correctly, you are saying, you do not pre-freeze your material. Only prior to extraction. So, therefore, you only extract fresh, without waiting at all, but freeze just prior to extraction?

I am wondering, if you take high quality grade A popcorn buds, how long they can sit, and dry, before too much Decarboxylation can occur, so that AA cannot happen?

If I understand you correctly, AA cannot be achieved, if too much quantity is being dealt with, because it must be attended to right away?

I stuck all my immediate trimmings in the freezer, as well as my popcorn buds, so I can extract when I have time. There were 10 plants, so trimming must be done all together, which presents a dilemma. Now i'm ready to extract, (and I have my 151 Ca. grain) but concerned with "water crystals on trichomes". If I take it our of the freezer, into fresh warm air, and it takes a few moments to place in the extractor, I'm running the chance of obstructing the process?

Am I correct in these assertions?

Thanks Jump, we all appreciate your help, tremendously. Many of us provide real meds to real patients in need, and convenience of the ability to handle such as in AA, is a serious issue for many folks. You are truly helping people.

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by medicalgreen

So, if I am to understand you correctly, you are saying, you do not pre-freeze your material. Only prior to extraction. So, therefore, you only extract fresh, without waiting at all, but freeze just prior to extraction?

I am wondering, if you take high quality grade A popcorn buds, how long they can sit, and dry, before too much Decarboxylation can occur, so that AA cannot happen?

If I understand you correctly, AA cannot be achieved, if too much quantity is being dealt with, because it must be attended to right away?

I stuck all my immediate trimmings in the freezer, as well as my popcorn buds, so I can extract when I have time. There were 10 plants, so trimming must be done all together, which presents a dilemma. Now i'm ready to extract, (and I have my 151 Ca. grain) but concerned with "water crystals on trichomes". If I take it our of the freezer, into fresh warm air, and it takes a few moments to place in the extractor, I'm running the chance of obstructing the process?

Am I correct in these assertions?

Thanks Jump, we all appreciate your help, tremendously. Many of us provide real meds to real patients in need, and convenience of the ability to handle such as in AA, is a serious issue for many folks. You are truly helping people.

I will let our brother Jump answer your questions, but I've tried our clever brother's fresh material extraction and I predict that you will be pleased with the results. I most certainly was and consider a fresh frozen BHO extraction the tastiest yet !

May I add that I freeze the material in a zip lock bag to 0F (-32C), and after it is frozen, remove it and pummel the bag with my fist. This breaks up the material while minimizing handling, melting, and exposure to atmosphere.

I then quickly stuff it in the extraction column directly from the bag, before sticking it back in the freezer to refreeze before proceeding.

Alas, it is warmer on average in the Pacific NW, vis a vis Moscow, so here are some thoughts on easy safe ways to extend the process should you live in warmer climes.

A salt water ice bath can be dropped below the boiling point of butane at 30F outside somewhere, negating the need for a freezer. Remember making ice cream and please don't simply stick it in your freezer, because of explosive outgassingg???????????

Dry ice can also be dropped in an antifreeze bath to lower the temperature below the levels achievable with a saline solution and ice.

I have built fully contained systems using Schedule 40 copper pipe that easily hold the pressure generated by evaporating butane and operates at ambient temperatures.

The pressure keeps the butane liquid, but alas the water is not tied up as ice, and there is more color and non-active ingredients in the extraction. Enough to turn the extraction from a bright yellow with fresh material to a light electric almost florescent green color.

Butane is relatively non polar, but is not zero and will pick up some water solubles if given their best chance.

Bon appetite! Fresh frozen BHO extraction has hand down received more raves from panel tester for "fresh" flavor, than anything else that we have produced, including acetate, which is floral and tasty.

Acetate receives high marks from panel testers for it's floral flavor and efficacy, but is not even close to being tastier than fresh BHO in my own opinion, just a different tasty experience.

Soooooooooo, I highly recommend Jumps process for best flavor, suggest that everyone try it, and await ya'll's thoughts!

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[daheadies]

woooo hooo thanks guys I love this thread and the people that are contributing to sharing how to make the BEST BHO EVER! thanks guys!

[jump117]

Originally Posted by medicalgreen

Thanks Jump, we all appreciate your help, tremendously. Many of us provide real meds to real patients in need, and convenience of the ability to handle such as in AA, is a serious issue for many folks. You are truly helping people.

I am very grateful to you for those words it's so nice to be useful for people.

Originally Posted by medicalgreen

So, if I am to understand you correctly, you are saying, you do not pre-freeze your material. Only prior to extraction. So, therefore, you only extract fresh, without waiting at all, but freeze just prior to extraction?

To avoid exposure to the frozen material with a warm moist air
I load the material in a thermos immediately after trimming and freeze them together.
Material is stored in an extractor in the freezer until the time of extraction.

Originally Posted by medicalgreen

I am wondering, if you take high quality grade A popcorn buds, how long they can sit, and dry, before too much Decarboxylation can occur, so that AA cannot happen?

At environment store it’s a long process, they posted reports of getting fragile amber from buds cured for one year.
I am inexperienced in dealing with dry material after a long curing.

Originally Posted by medicalgreen

If I understand you correctly, AA cannot be achieved, if too much quantity is being dealt with, because it must be attended to right away?

I am also inexperienced in dealing with large amount,
I just noticed that the rinse of fresh material is required several times more butane than for dry in tubular extractor.

Originally Posted by medicalgreen

I stuck all my immediate trimmings in the freezer, as well as my popcorn buds, so I can extract when I have time. There were 10 plants, so trimming must be done all together, which presents a dilemma. Now i'm ready to extract, (and I have my 151 Ca. grain) but concerned with "water crystals on trichomes". If I take it our of the freezer, into fresh warm air, and it takes a few moments to place in the extractor, I'm running the chance of obstructing the process?

Am I correct in these assertions?

I'm afraid that – yes. Try to load it in the frozen extractor in the freezing zone, wearing gloves and exhaling aside .

Originally Posted by Gray Wolf

I freeze the material in a zip lock bag to 0F (-32C), and after it is frozen, remove it and pummel the bag with my fist. This breaks up the material while minimizing handling, melting, and exposure to atmosphere.
I then quickly stuff it in the extraction column directly from the bag, before sticking it back in the freezer to refreeze before proceeding.

Hi Gray Wolf, that's where the handy skill in martial arts!

I see the meaning of the pre-freezing of material in the stabilization of the start moment filling of the extractor
when in contact with warm material liquid gas evaporates rapidly, which causes a pressure jump in the extractor.
I suspect deep frozen may slows down the rate of extraction.
Since the solvent power increases with temperature,
the optimum temperature of filling and extraction should be just under the boiling point, imo.

If zip-lock is heavy-duty and its material allows direct contact with butane,
probably it can be used as a butane extractor.
The only thing that will have to do is adapter for filling zip-lock bag from a can.
I'm not sure whether it be a refrigerator of any kind or simply a good thermo insulation,
but it should be possible to frequent or constant stirring during extraction.
Using my thermos with a narrow neck is sorely lacking a mechanical crusher-mixer,
which is implemented by zip-lock bag.
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Optimizing the quality of the extract, we need to prevent access of solvent to fat contents of plant cells
which contaminate the extract.
Frozen juice protects the quality for hours of extraction.
I undertook a two hours (1+1) extraction of buds material.
Extracts of first and second hours are fused into a common chip.
Here in the photo extract of second hour is the lower right quarter of the chip.
It is smaller and darker than of the first, but the green tones are not visible.

Originally Posted by jump117

[daheadies]

ugh its frustrating not being able to give positive feedback over and over so im going to have to be repetitive and once again say THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! every extra piece of info to getting this to work is sooo much appreciated. Its been a year since I started trying to make amber now.. With all this new input Im going to try in next few days and see what happens.. THANKS

[medicalgreen]

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