[Donald Mallard]

Originally Posted by The_Grim_Reefer

Great looking photo DM, many thanks for the added thoughts into the back breeding of the strain. Any plans from moon to cross the clone with his zoid line ?

Not at the moment grim ,, both are sativa dominant , i think are best suited to outdoors , many sativa dominant strains are restricted indoor and we really dont see the best of them .. though im sure id love to grow a zoid duck outdoors , i betch itd be a real beauty ..

[moonunit]

Hi everyone.
i do indeed now have the duck , and the early beans. The main goal is to bring back the origonal line, as it was back in the day and preserve it. From there alot of work will be done, first being a cross to the afghan line wd and i have straight from afghanistan, to create an indoor freindly line with duck linage, focusing on the early duck raw power that most havent seen or experienced, and not the leaf trait. Also the origonal duck will be worked into seperate lines, one always focusing on the leaf trait, with others delving into the other worthy traits of the early duck and not the leaf trait.
I also have some very old webbed indica seed i unexpectedly sourced in the mountains from an old friend grower many many moons ago. he had some plants finishing up in his shed/greenhouse( mountains, very cold early) and asked me to take a look and some cuts to reveg if i wanted. We went up to his shed, he had all the lovely typical late finishing sats, but i also noticed some very small and stout plants in pots, that where totaly purple, almost black, the entire plants(the colder the darker). As i got closer i noticed they had webbed leaves. I asked him how long he had had the line and he said 5 or so years but he doesnt grow it that much because of the low yield per plant compared to sats.They could have come from anywhere, but most likely some of wd's duck x webbed indica beans made their way down the coast and up into the mountains. The cuts i took didnt reveg properly and died out/culled eventualy, but he gave me about 60 beans of the line, that i still have minus a small test batch of 10 i ran to check for the leaf trait( it was in 50% of the plants). So i intend to dig the seed back up out of the collection, and providing it still germs, once worked, will cross it to the origonal duck aswell.
Eventualy there will be a zoid duck cross im sure, but we have alot of work to get through before we tackle that one, although some limited test crosses may make their way to the server fund in the not to distant future .
I am honored to be working with this line and wd, and im sure between the 2 of us will bring the duck back and then some.
much respect
moonunit

[vicious bee]

Originally Posted by moonunit

I also have some very old webbed indica seed i unexpectedly sourced in the mountains from an old friend grower many many moons ago. he had some plants finishing up in his shed/greenhouse( mountains, very cold early) and asked me to take a look and some cuts to reveg if i wanted. We went up to his shed, he had all the lovely typical late finishing sats, but i also noticed some very small and stout plants in pots, that where totaly purple, almost black, the entire plants(the colder the darker). As i got closer i noticed they had webbed leaves. I asked him how long he had had the line and he said 5 or so years but he doesnt grow it that much because of the low yield per plant compared to sats.They could have come from anywhere, but most likely some of wd's duck x webbed indica beans made their way down the coast and up into the mountains. The cuts i took didnt reveg properly and died out/culled eventualy, but he gave me about 60 beans of the line, that i still have minus a small test batch of 10 i ran to check for the leaf trait( it was in 50% of the plants). So i intend to dig the seed back up out of the collection, and providing it still germs, once worked, will cross it to the origonal duck aswell.
Eventualy there will be a zoid duck cross im sure, but we have alot of work to get through before we tackle that one, although some limited test crosses may make their way to the server fund in the not to distant future .
I am honored to be working with this line and wd, and im sure between the 2 of us will bring the duck back and then some.
much respect
moonunit

I hope you do work with these and make them available somehow. I'd like to have some.

[vicious bee]

What's a zoid duck? zoids' line of duck? How is it different?

[moonunit]

Hi m8, the zoid lines are sativa lines i have bred here in oz in the past, there is info within the thread zoidfuel availabilities on the linage of zoidfuel. They have nothing to do with webbed leaves at all, although sometime show leaf mutations, but very different to webs and only ever very slightly in some individuals. I think they where asking that now i was given wd's oldest duck genetics by wd, do i have any plans to cross them to any of my zoid lines, as i have them both, and am the only person to hold them both in the forms i have them. It will happen im sure, as it would be a good way to bring the duck indoors, but with a sativa dom slant to it. But before then i have many other things to do first, for example preserving the duck in the old state i have it, once that is done i will put my own efforts into the line to give my slant on it, and do some crosses, but not before preserving it in its truest form. Hope that helps somewhat m8, any questions or queries, dont hessitate to ask as i would be happy to answer or help in any way i can. Also i would like to encourage fans of the duckor those interested, to post an ideas or thoughts on the direction they would like to see the duck head in after its is safe and preserved. What traits would ppl like to see focused on and brought to the fore, is the leaf trait important indoors? or only outdoors?. What are its weak points we can work to strengthen, basicaly, as varients of the duck will be bound for the end user, we ask that you all give us your take on what you think the duck needs to be better, what would you like to see done to it. This will help me decide which varients to persue and what directions, and not just work to my personal preferances( which i trust dearly, but wouldnt realy on the preference of any one person whilst making something for many). Anyways must get back to it here
much respect
moonunit

[vicious bee]

Thanks for the info. The zoid sounds like it would be a good cross some day. I encourage you in your task. I'm not sure why you would want to cross to an afghan though. Wouldn't it kill the Sativa high. Mind you this is only my opinion and we all know what a free opinions worth. The Danish have some early Sativa crosses that might make it more manageable indoors. The Duck is a Mighty plant and I'm very fond of it. I really appreciate Wally making it available to us and those who carry it on. I've so far only grown the later line of Ducksfoot. I liked the smoke very much. Very happy. I have about 10 of those vegging now and some crosses coming up. I also traded with someone for an older line from several years ago. It's supposed to be even more Sativa than the line I have now. It will probably be a while for I can get to it though. Next year. Right now I'm concentrating on Duck seeds, Duck crosses, and a Early Wonder Skunk x Auto Affie. Earlier I was running too many combinations and didn't give any of them the justice they deserved. I'm going to stick with just a few for the next 6 months or so. The Duck crosses are Short Term Amnesia auto, Blue Streak auto and maybe the EWS x AA. I'm hoping to auto the Duck but not have it be the miniature type. Miniature would be fine but only for later. I want something about three or four feet high(Meter or better).

[Donald Mallard]

I always loved the ducksfoot crosses ,, it gave the vigour to the strains that were lacking.
We made a bunch of test crosses initially ,, some we grew were amazing ..
There are still some available on the internet that were quite popular .
Im with you mr bee on the importance of the high of ducksfoot , ive said many times how happy it always made me feel ,, real smile weed ..
The taste and smell to me were unique ,, very strong smell and a taste that lasted on the palate for a very long time , licking the lips would give one a tang of the taste / smell again ...
thankfully most of these traits will be intact in the clone i gave moon ..
'Another trait i loved was the huge bushes and tight colas we used to get on ducksfoot , ive seen colas as large as my thigh on them , and one would need a packed lunch to get round the bush .. lol ..
If i can grow anything like the ducksfoot plants i first grew i will be a very very happy man ..

[moonunit]

Hi bee , i hear you on the quick sativa front, my initial choice to bring it inside and keep the sat high would be to cross it to the zoidfuel, as i have put much work into the zoidfuel to make it growable indoors. Im just gonna have a bit of a play around with it myself, the main goal is to get it back to where it was in a heathy and plentiful seedline, that way wd can come back to it at any time he is ready and take it in its true direction. Anything i do after that will be more just me playing around and getting to know the line. The affie cross is a test moreso than anything, and i have a feeling i will find a non dominent indica in the line that will pass mostly structural traits, without changing the high effect of the duck to much. Although if i dnt find the right indica in the affie line to hit the duck, i will still definately hit my webbed indica line with the affie.
Hi don m8, thats my main goal, to get it back to where you feel it was at its best, i did indeed jump the gun abit talking of crosses ect. Any info compiled here on what ppl feel on the line would be well recieved and of much use still. I will do my best on the task i have been given, and hopefully you will be packing lunches for some lovely duck plant round trips before to long lol

[Donald Mallard]

Hey moon ,, im 100 % sure you are up to the job at hand , and i relish the thought of duck hybrids ...
I will definately be dropping by to put my nose on the job , my lungs and hopefully a keen eye for detail ,,, maybe not in that order ,, lol ..
As always i intend to fully road test the seeds ,, i have round 200 of the latest moon variety , mbs , in the ground ,, as well as around 400 odd of the z99 , im pretty sure that should give me an idea of whats going on with the line ..
I also have a few guys with more than that in the ground or in sight of planting , i think we will definately[ be able to say the seeds have been fully road tested by the end of the day ....

[moonunit]

Hi m8, i just want to do it justice, and make sure its your direction, the more input on this one from you the better lol, no one else can or does know the duck like you do, and hopefully soon the fields will be once more filled with the duck of old
much respect
moonunit