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dozey · 03-29-2010, 02:43 AM

...is there any point to using LST methods such as the tie down one? I was planning on using that method, but I am growing in a 4x4 sunhut which is around 7' high and I have plenty of space in there. So would it still be advantageous to do the tie down method or should I let them just go wild? Thanks all!

Presto_D · 03-29-2010, 05:04 AM

I think the only consideration is if the light can penetrate fully to lower branches and buds shaded by upper leaves.
Or spreading cola development around.
Left alone, depending on strain, you may get one big cola and little minor colas. LST would allow the minor colas to keep up with the "top" cola, which I think doesn't get quite as big as it would left to its own devices.

Other than that, let em get wild.

Mr. Greengenes · 03-29-2010, 05:20 AM

Presto D is right, training methods are not for keeping the plants under a certain height, they're for getting a higher yield out of each plant by increasing it's ability to absorb light. You could grow plants tall in your tent, but unless you provide side lighting, the bottoms will be poorly lit and, unless you 'lollypop' heavily, will be covered with small buds which will suck energy from the top.

Think Green · 03-29-2010, 06:58 AM

This is what happened when I let 5 or 6 go in my 4x4x7 Growlabs GL120. I agree with the previous comments, I will be trying new methods after this run is complete. Don't mind the lights off pic...

dozey · 03-29-2010, 06:18 PM

Oh ok, thanks a lot for clearing that up for me everyone.

Think Green - what method do you plan on doing on your next grow? I would like to scrog, but since I'm going from seed I was told not to do that since getting the males out would be a pain in the ass. Would tie down be a good one to try all things considered?

tube dude · 03-29-2010, 07:59 PM

Lst and scrog both work on the same principal. The main thing to remember is to keep your canopy level. The tallest part of the plant will produce a hormone like substance known as auxins. the auxins settle to the lower part of the plant and restrict growth. The lower on the plant you go the higher the auxin levels. That is why you want to keep your canopy level. You want as many buds as you can get on the top of the canopy so that they will grow at he same rate. The tallest bud will always be the largest bud, even if it comes from the bottom branch of the plant.

dozey · 03-29-2010, 10:54 PM

OK cool thanks a lot dude.

billybob911 · 04-16-2010, 08:23 AM

-really nice pic of the growroom there

High Country · 04-16-2010, 11:00 AM

Certainly agree about the light penetration aspect. If you want to grow trees you will probably need to have vertically hung bulbs as well as the one overhead.

To improve light penetration you can

flower early, minimal veg time

Training, SOG, SCROG, LST or supercrop

I prefer SOG.

03-29-2010, 02:43 AM	#1
dozey New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 15	If height is NOT a problem... ...is there any point to using LST methods such as the tie down one? I was planning on using that method, but I am growing in a 4x4 sunhut which is around 7' high and I have plenty of space in there. So would it still be advantageous to do the tie down method or should I let them just go wild? Thanks all!
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03-29-2010, 05:04 AM	#2
Presto_D Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: PNW Posts: 134	I think the only consideration is if the light can penetrate fully to lower branches and buds shaded by upper leaves. Or spreading cola development around. Left alone, depending on strain, you may get one big cola and little minor colas. LST would allow the minor colas to keep up with the "top" cola, which I think doesn't get quite as big as it would left to its own devices. Other than that, let em get wild. __________________ EWS seeds, several generations in, better than the neighbors!
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03-29-2010, 05:20 AM	#3
Mr. Greengenes Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,507	Presto D is right, training methods are not for keeping the plants under a certain height, they're for getting a higher yield out of each plant by increasing it's ability to absorb light. You could grow plants tall in your tent, but unless you provide side lighting, the bottoms will be poorly lit and, unless you 'lollypop' heavily, will be covered with small buds which will suck energy from the top. __________________ "The first principal is not to fool yourself, and you are the easiest one to fool". R.P.Feynman
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03-29-2010, 06:18 PM	#5
dozey New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 15	Oh ok, thanks a lot for clearing that up for me everyone. Think Green - what method do you plan on doing on your next grow? I would like to scrog, but since I'm going from seed I was told not to do that since getting the males out would be a pain in the ass. Would tie down be a good one to try all things considered?
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03-29-2010, 07:59 PM	#6
tube dude Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 300	Lst and scrog both work on the same principal. The main thing to remember is to keep your canopy level. The tallest part of the plant will produce a hormone like substance known as auxins. the auxins settle to the lower part of the plant and restrict growth. The lower on the plant you go the higher the auxin levels. That is why you want to keep your canopy level. You want as many buds as you can get on the top of the canopy so that they will grow at he same rate. The tallest bud will always be the largest bud, even if it comes from the bottom branch of the plant.
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03-29-2010, 10:54 PM	#7
dozey New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 15	OK cool thanks a lot dude.
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billybob911 New Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: canada Posts: 12	-really nice pic of the growroom there
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High Country Give me a Kenworth truck, an 18 speed box and I'll go anywhere Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: High Country NE Victoria, where Indica reigns supreme. Posts: 3,472	Certainly agree about the light penetration aspect. If you want to grow trees you will probably need to have vertically hung bulbs as well as the one overhead. To improve light penetration you can flower early, minimal veg time Training, SOG, SCROG, LST or supercrop I prefer SOG.
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