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Old 03-21-2010, 10:41 AM #1
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Lightbulb Indoor plans for new growers

Hey New Grower! Are you looking to develop a plan for your personal space and you have questions about what products to buy, where to get them from, and how to put it all together? Then it's a good thing you've found your way here.

Just post a picture of the area you'd like to start growing in and answer a couple easy questions.

The dimensions of the space I will grow in are....
The budget I'd like to stay within is....
My average daily consumption is....
I'm am growing this medicine for....
My energy costs per Kwh....
I am comfortable with a power bill increase of....
I have researched growing, my experience is.... [A lot] [Some] [A little] [None at all]
I am interested in the growing method(s)....
My demands are....
My constraints are....


Don't waste your time and money! There is a massive amount of experience here (I'm talking about you Mr. Expert) and there are people here to help
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Old 03-21-2010, 03:33 PM #2
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I do not have a picture


The dimensions of the space I will grow in are....But it is a rectangle shape, but useable area is about 20' x 15 ' 20 ft high ceilings
The budget I'd like to stay within is....20 k
My average daily consumption is....5 to 10 gms
I'm am growing this medicine for....Compassion clubs/ Private Patients
My energy costs per Kwh....5.7 to 7.8
I am comfortable with a power bill increase of....1500
I have researched growing, my experience is.... [A lot] [Some] [A little] [None at all] A Lot
I am interested in the growing method(s)....Any
My demands are....15 to 20 lbs a month
My constraints are.. Cannot be there daily, maybe 2 times a week


I already have a grow set up. I just want to see what you come up with
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Old 03-21-2010, 06:25 PM #3
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The dimensions of the space I will grow in are.... 53cm high 45cm long and 38cm broad
The budget I'd like to stay within is.... 150€
My average daily consumption is.... 0.3g-0.5g
I'm am growing this medicine for.... for myself

My energy costs per Kwh.... i don t know
I am comfortable with a power bill increase of.... not important
I have researched growing, my experience is.... [A lot] [Some] [A little] [None at all] a little
I am interested in the growing method(s).... any
My demands are.... the plant should not smell too much
My constraints are.... space for the plant and heat from the light

i alredy have at home 14w led light is it enough
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Old 03-21-2010, 06:29 PM #4
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I have a turtle sand box with turtle shell cover thats about 2 feet tall with no sand, $15 and a bag of top soil. Think I could pull a pound in it?
I think its totaly stealth. If any one where to come inside my place they wouldn't be like hey Your growing pot in their. They'd be like O cool a sand box and its a turtle, with an air vent! Im thinking about buying mass quantities of them and selling them on Ebay as grow boxes.
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Old 03-22-2010, 02:03 AM #7
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Ok I will bite

I do not have a picture


The dimensions of the space I will grow in are....But it is a rectangle shape, but useable area is about 20' x 15 ' 20 ft high ceilings
The budget I'd like to stay within is....20 k
My average daily consumption is....5 to 10 gms
I'm am growing this medicine for....Compassion clubs/ Private Patients
My energy costs per Kwh....5.7 to 7.8
I am comfortable with a power bill increase of....1500
I have researched growing, my experience is.... [A lot] [Some] [A little] [None at all] A Lot
I am interested in the growing method(s)....Any
My demands are....15 to 20 lbs a month
My constraints are.. Cannot be there daily, maybe 2 times a week


I already have a grow set up. I just want to see what you come up with
Wholly crap, a 20K budget... Okay, you'll have to give me a bit and I'll come back and edit this with a thought through room. Initially we're talking 1000w lamps, probably some kind of colosseum style grow with CO2 and all the filtration and atmosphere conditioning fixins. I'll throw in some estimates on installation also when it comes to plumbing or electrical.

I need to research the prices on some equipment and then do the math on the growth period vs harvest. I was sorta intending this for smaller setups (5K to $100) but this isn't out of my abilities, despite never personally spending this much I have been privileged enough to see a few of this scope first hand.
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Old 03-22-2010, 02:37 AM #8
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The dimensions of the space I will grow in are.... 53cm high 45cm long and 38cm broad
The budget I'd like to stay within is.... 150€
My average daily consumption is.... 0.3g-0.5g
I'm am growing this medicine for.... for myself

My energy costs per Kwh.... i don t know
I am comfortable with a power bill increase of.... not important
I have researched growing, my experience is.... [A lot] [Some] [A little] [None at all] a little
I am interested in the growing method(s).... any
My demands are.... the plant should not smell too much
My constraints are.... space for the plant and heat from the light

i alredy have at home 14w led light is it enough
Your size constraints lead me to think that you need to be looking into low heat lighting. LED is a good choice, but 14w isn't going to cut it. If you're going to go LED then that will be the vast majority of your budget. At least 100 Euro on the light. You'll need 90w in my opinion.

An alternative in that small a space is CFL. You'll need to purchase or construct a housing for all the sockets and the bulbs will take up extra space that you don't really have. I think for you LED is a good option.

Your growing method needs to be hydroponic. Since so much of the budget has gone to the LED light you're going to need to look into lower cost systems from the get go, so no microgardens yet.

A simple fix for you could be to build a DWC system using a plastic storage container that will fit snugly into your growing space. By cutting holes in the top of the lid you can drop net pots into the container. fill the net pots with hydroton and start your plants in rock wool in the center of these pots.

You can keep the cubes moist enough with twice daily waterings from the top. You will need to spend 20 Euro or so on an inexpensive air pump and air stone to keep in your reservoir so the nutrient solution stays oxygenated.

I suggest for you the General Hydroponics Micro and Bloom Lucas Formula as your primary source of nutrients. This should round out the end of your budget with the media.

Since we're at the end of your budget you'll need to utilize some things laying around your place (like some bag seeds) and if you have a small fan laying around that will need to be squeezed into your growing space. You'll also need to find some cheap pH test paper to check your nutrient pH on occasion.

In this space, you can expect to grow 6 plants max, and you'll need to start flowering within the first 10 days of life to keep them the right size. This will reduce the harvest per plant but I think you could expect between 5 and 10 grams per plant. This will be an 80 day turn around or so and if you don't have access to female clones then the number of plants you will harvest are subject to a bit of chance. I imagine you could pull up to 60 grams from this setup every 80 days or sooner but there is the potential for a smaller 15 gram harvest if things go fairly wrong. With DWC there is also the potential for complete failure if the nutrient solution is out of balance so you'll need to read up on DWC and the Lucas Formula before starting.

Let me know what you like about this, and what you don't like, and then we can retool it to fit you best.
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Old 03-22-2010, 04:08 PM #9
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Thanks for the tips. I would stick with LEDs and hydroponics. However, I am interested in this light https://marlek.si/led-a294/led_sijalka_15w_rast_cvetenje

with that light and my old one i have 30w. what kind of seeds i need to buy? i allrady have pc fans instaled. what type of hydroponics should i buy and what nutrients.
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Old 03-23-2010, 07:50 AM #10
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Thanks for the tips. I would stick with LEDs and hydroponics. However, I am interested in this light https://marlek.si/led-a294/led_sijalka_15w_rast_cvetenje

with that light and my old one i have 30w. what kind of seeds i need to buy? i allrady have pc fans instaled. what type of hydroponics should i buy and what nutrients.
The problem with those LED lamps is that you have 30w of power spread across 168 LEDs. This results in such a low amount of casting power that they litterally need to be touching the plant to provide enough light. As a result they are suitable for growing no more than one, VERY small, plant. So then you'd need more than two of them, I'd say three total for a single somewhat filled out plant.

I think you're better off with getting something like this https://ledwholesalers-com-inc.amazon...B001NE1PWO.htm

This will allow you to grow at least two plants, if not more, plus you have the other smaller bulb to provide some side lighting. The lower wattage LED units just don't have what it takes, and even at 90w you're still at the bottom of what I think is recommendable but it fits in your budget and your space best.

For Hydro media you need rockwool cubes (2 to 3cm) to start your plants in and Hydroton to aid in moisture and light blocking.

I suggest you look into the Lucas Formula, it is a two part system from General Hydroponics with a successful history and a lot of documented grows on here using that system. Use the search function to answer most questions you have regarding DWC with the Lucas Formula at your leisure.

You can buy pretty much any seed, just try to keep it cheap, Auto-flowering strains allow you to leave the lights on longer so that should be a consideration if the price of them is equal to a pure indica. If anything I'd avoid Sativa strains just because the leaves don't have as much surface area as an Indica and I think that will be a factor when it comes to harvest time. There are many strains you could grow but one that jumped out at me is https://www.*******************.co.uk...prod_1343.html
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