[medman225]

whos bubblegum was used for these strains? im really hoping the answer is serious... Also I have the same question for blue moon rocks... which blueberry was used to make it?
for any help in advance.

[Morpheen]

It was White Labels BG, and correct me if I wrong people but I believe WL's BG is probably F2's taken from Sensi's Seed F1 stock.

May I ask why you hope they derived from Serious??
Its not as if that changes the end result in anyway.

According to Tropical Rain's Linage Guide:
BOG Blue Moon Rocks = (WL Bubblegum X WL Bubblegum) X BlueMoon [not bluemoonshine]

I have no idea where BlueMoon came from though...

Dutch

[medman225]

well, Im pretty sure Simon from Serious breed the original bubblegum... not sensi, and white label is owned by sensi, so if the original was from sensi white label woulnt have to sell f2s...
the original is from and at serious seeds...
now as for bogs bubblegum strains, im sure they are great and worth being looked at... i dont compare serious' original and bogs worked on, dialed in strains, and in the case of sour bubble apparently a very special pheno... if i wanted serious' stuff id be wanting one thing and if i was to get bogs bubblegum(s) id be lookin for something different.

just wanted to know what he used. thanks for the help, i had heard that before and i just wanted to make sure.

[trichosaurus]

Originally Posted by BOG

Blue Moon Rocks = BogBubble ( BogBubble (Micanopy Moonbeam X Vic High's Blueberry).

"Sure I can. BMR is originally Blueberry crossed to Micanopy moonbeam. Subcool created this blue moon which I then crossed to my bogbubble. So it is a bubbleberry of sorts that has a blueberry to lavendar taste and it smokes very smoothly. The first crosses I made had some problems but this has been bx'd since then and the stability has been increased.

It yields very well and has great bag appeal. Those who like blueberry types will love it for the great taste and the high is relaxing and pretty nice. It comes on gradually after the initial high that hits right away. Very bluish in tinge to the point that the leaves even appear bluish.
.

.

[Pseudo]

i heard it was th seeds but who knows fo sho? bog?

[Morpheen]

Originally Posted by medman225

well, Im pretty sure Simon from Serious breed the original bubblegum... not sensi, and white label is owned by sensi, so if the original was from sensi white label woulnt have to sell f2s...
the original is from and at serious seeds...
now as for bogs bubblegum strains, im sure they are great and worth being looked at... i dont compare serious' original and bogs worked on, dialed in strains, and in the case of sour bubble apparently a very special pheno...

Bubblegum itself is a very special pheno, but this is where I get completely lost as to what your even stating...

Originally Posted by medman225

if i wanted serious' stuff id be wanting one thing and if i was to get bogs bubblegum(s) id be lookin for something different.

What does that even mean??

Perhaps its me and the way I read that, but it sounds as if you defensive or something, so if I offended/insulted you in some way I'm sorry...

However, I have to school you
I'm sure your aware (practically all the vendors listings are similar except for TH Seed's crazy fairytale) the original BG came from Indiana, USA. So its doubtful any of these Dutch breeders have the "original" Bubblegum, only their F1 adaptation of such. The REAL Original Bubblegum is like many of the other bred seed lines. It all started with a superior seedling pheno. Most likely that original cut is long since gone. But each vendor did whatever(selfed,crosses,BXs ect) to stabilize their very own "Bubblegum" seed bastardization

So I guess a lot of it depends on your definition of "original"

Serious even explains in their listing (I'm sure you read it a hundred times, I know I have) the general idea as to how they stabilized their pheno They just don't share where the pollen came from because your not meant to think of it as a cross, but thats what they refer to as many generations to produce a stable (FAR- in terms of linage- from the "original" pheno) Bubblegum

Yes, White Label is somehow closely related to Sensi. I don't know how nor do I care.
Fact is they do offer up some F2's of Sensi's stock such as their Jack Herer and Super Skunk, I don't know why, but I sure they have their reasons.

...and that was todays lesson on "Basic Commercialized Seed Breeding and Bastardizing"

Dutch

[LoveIsAll]

What im really curious about is the fact that Sour Bubble seems almost identical to Bubba Kush, but is supposedly pure bubblegum genetics?

[medman225]

dear morpheen,

not trying to get into any kind of argument with u here...
in regards to what u first quoted from me and said u didnt understand what i was saying, i was saying that i was under the impression that Simon from serious had actually bred bubblegum(you were right about it being bred in indiana my mistake).... and i then said if sensi had been the ones to breed it, and white label is owned by them, it would seem to me that they would not have to sell the f2s of "sensi seed f1 stock" as u put it in ur first post, when sensi is their parent company and stock would be made available to them(or so i would think, but as u mentioned in ur last post they have f2s of jack herer n such so i dont know)...
Is sensi seeds' fruity juice bubblegum? otherwise i dont believe sensi even has a bubblegum strain... correct me if im wrong(finding out whos bubblegum was used was why i made the thread)... but i believe whatever white label did to make their current bubblegum strain, they had to procure it from an original vendor other than Sensi...
as for blueberry being a special pheno itself i dont understand that... did u mean the original(that was either bxed by simon or crossed with something by other companies) from indiana? cuz that i would understand... but as for the available bubblegum on the seed market all of it has different phenos... and im sure Serious seeds' bubblegum is way different than BOGs... but both are bubblegum

and as for the second thing u quoted u completely misunderstood me... i was merely stating the apparent difference between the two strains of bubblegum... where serious' is a bx, and BOG's is a special pheno of his bogbubble if im not mistaken(it says its a special pheno of bubblegum, but im not sure if it said bogbubble or not).

again im not trying to argue with u... just wanted to civilly find out more information on what bubblegum BOG used... and if thats white label, then who did they use(because im still under the impression sensi doesnt have bubblegum)?

[medman225]

loveisall... thats an interesting connection to make... Isnt bubba kush just bubblegumx(unknown kush)?
if u have any pics of the two so we could compare that would be great. if not its all good too.

[Morpheen]

Medman-
It seems you "buy" into the vendors labels a bit too much.
See when you have a clone only strain, such as NYCD, OG/Bubba Kush, Sour Diesel, ect. you can't just just cross it with a completely different stain (completely changing the linage) and still call the offspring the same name as the original elite pheno.
IMO whenever the linage changes so should the strain name. Too often these seeds vendors as using popular names/labels as a sales ploy, and it works....quite the pet peeve to me!!
Example: You can't take a random "bubble gum" and cross it with a random "kush" and and call it "Bubba Kush" (Green House Seeds!!)

A complete list of strains offered by Sensi and White Label can be found Here. No, I no longer see a plain bubblegum strain from Sensi or WL.
Although they have a "Double Gum", a prime example of how seed vendors SHOULD re-name a new cross/line (NOT the same name, yet close enough we know approx. what it is)
As all major seed banks, the list is ever evolving...Back when Bog was popping WL bubblegum seeds to create Bogbubble (Which, yes, SB is a pheno of his BogBubble cross) I'm sure Sensi and WL's menu was quite different...

I wonder how many packs of WL Bubblegum it took for for BOG to find his BogBubble mother, I somehow doubt it was the first

Best Wishes,
Dutch