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theHIGHlander · 03-04-2010, 12:59 PM

right some people will know that my next dog was going to be a French Mastiff,,(turner&hooch style dog for people that dont know).
anyway thats been put on the back burner,,as ive not got a spare $2000 at the moment....(just spend that on my other dogs vet bill).

right so hear goes..
the wife comes in from work the other day and tells me,,
(lets just call her Jill )....
Jills son has to give up is dog because he moving house and the landlords dont allow dogs.
so Jills son is trying to find a owner for Kia......................
mmmmmm this got me thinking,,,,should I..yeh me,,,rescue Kia the Bulll mastiff??????...shes not a French but that i can live with...
shes 2/half years old, kind with kids,not violent,,ok with other dogs,,,just get a bit excited,,,am a boxer owner so know what that means lol..

i suppose my Questions are,,,,People that have rescued I NEED YOUR INPUT......

how do i go about bringing another bitch into my house hold?.....ive got a boxer (bitch), she not viloent towards other dogs but am unsure how she would take another dog coming into the house + i worry that Layla will feel unloved/second best??........1 thing i know for sure is thay will meet before (outside at the park) to see how thay get on..........oh 1 more thing,,,the wife & kid have the final YES or NO...

so Yes, or NO......with some advice from peeps that have rescued

keep it green
highlander

03-04-2010, 01:14 PM

Dogs instincts are to form hierarchies. If the new dog recognizes your current dog's place there probably won't be any issues. If the new dog decides to challenge your current dog and assert her dominance there could be issues.

I have introduced dogs to my pack and the dog below me always let the new comer know their place. I try to let them work it out on their own as long as they are not physically harming each other. They should all recognize you as the alpha dog and should respond to you.

03-04-2010, 01:36 PM

DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is it a male? that means alot. there wont be hardly any fighting like it would be if it was 2 males.

theHIGHlander · 03-04-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tokinafaty420

Dogs instincts are to form hierarchies. If the new dog recognizes your current dog's place there probably won't be any issues. If the new dog decides to challenge your current dog and assert her dominance there could be issues.

I have introduced dogs to my pack and the dog below me always let the new comer know their place. I try to let them work it out on their own as long as they are not physically harming each other. They should all recognize you as the alpha dog and should respond to you.

this is what am worried about (not worried as such)...i dont want Kia (new dog) coming in and trying to bully Layla and take over,,,,not that layla cant handle her own but at the end of the day Kia is a big heavy mastiff (no match for a boxer)......would that be up to me to let Kia know Layla is more Dominant than her? (bottom of the pack kinda thing?....me/wife/kid/layla/Kia yeh???....or is it a case of....if Kia wants to be top dog then she would just bully layla..

cheers guys
highlander

theHIGHlander · 03-04-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by good drown

DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is it a male? that means alot. there wont be hardly any fighting like it would be if it was 2 males.

Kia the Mastiff is a Bitch

keep it green
highlander

NiteTiger · 03-04-2010, 03:04 PM

If you're handling the dogs well, there will be no issue. As the pack leader, it's your job to not only decide who is in the pack, but where they stand, as well. If you handle the situation, then both dogs should look to you for guidance. If you leave it for them to figure out themselves, they'll do it the way dogs do...

If you continue humanizing the dog, it will lead to problems, female or no. Dog's don't feel 'unloved'. That is a human emotion, and that kind of emotional turmoil in you will leave the dogs, both of them, being confused and insecure.

Dogs are pack animals, and want to follow a pack hierarchy. To that end, they will follow the strong, confident leader, no matter age, sex, or even species. What you feel as 'guilt' (worried about the dog's 'feelings'), they see as confusion, and weakness. In the presence of that weakness, the dogs will instinctively start vying for roles, and you'll have "bad behavior" - fights, urination, etc.

If you go into it as 'I'm the leader, what I say goes, and that's that', then the dogs will recognize that energy, and naturally follow your lead. If you're tense or worried about potential fights or problems, the dogs will sense that uneasiness, and will feed off of that, becoming nervous and tense themselves. Two nervous, tense dogs usually mean two bloody, slobbery dogs.

Take the new dog for a long walk to establish your role (you walk in front, briskly, head up, basically ignoring the dog, and forcing the dog to match your pace) before you bring it to your home. Then, in your home, still on the leash, bring the dog into the kitchen. Don't let the dogs meet before you are ready, Don't let the new dog go running through the house 'exploring' or 'getting familiar'. This is your territory, and you're the leader. To allow the dog free run will confuse it - that's not how it is done, according to dog law.

Once the dog is in the house, and calm (never reward, through speech or contact, an excited dog, it tells them excited = good), now is the time for introductions. Allow your dog to come make contact with the new pack member. Keep in mind that your frame of mind is crucial - you're not 'seeing how they get along', you're saying 'this is how it is'.

Watch for any signs of dominance or agitation, and catch it early. No one is allowed to be dominant. There is one dominant entity, and that is the pack leader, you. Your dog doesn't get to be dominant, just like the new one doesn't. This shouldn't be a cuddle fest, where everyone is getting loved on and crooned over, or getting treats, for being such 'good dogs'.

Everyone is nice and calm, and 'ends' with both dogs laying down, perfectly comfortable, oblivious to each other because the pack leader has said it will be so. Then, it's on leash and off for a walk with your pack, reasserting for all involved exactly who is in control in your pack.

If you think that sounds crazy, or don't think you could pull it off, then you really want to take a harder look at your decision to have a pack, especially one with large, powerful animals.

Always try to rescue first, good on you

theHIGHlander · 03-05-2010, 12:12 AM

^^^^^^ thats the kinda advise am talking about....yeh am pritty sure am up to that,,,thanks bro when you put it like that it makes so much sence K+

keep it green
highlander

RockyMountainHi · 03-05-2010, 12:56 AM

NiteTiger's post is prime.

Long time ago, I adopted a dog from the shelter - had several issues - talked to my dad,, who said his friend went to an animal behavior specialist that was able to teach his collie not to kill the chickens - the guy charged $300 and guaranteed to fix the issue. (Or issues) I called. He came, I paid.

Mister the dog is getting in the trash.
Don't leave the trash where the dog can get it. Dogs are scavangers - that's what they do. Life will be better if I would accept nature.

Best $300 I ever spent.
Wasn't animal behavior so much as owner training. lol

Every dog of mine since, has been a rescue doggie.

I'd prolly do a kitty, but the bird was here first.

You already understand the vet bill thing.
Gawd it's amazing how fast they can go thru 1000's

My buddy recently got a new family member, a sweet lil brindle Boxer - he'd say yes also.

Without a doubt, sometimes it's just ment to be.

hippie_lettuce · 03-05-2010, 01:26 AM

As long as you are in the right frame of mind, and so is your current dog, then introducing a new one into the family will be all right. Allow them to do their thing; they will sniff each other's butt, romp around for a few, etc.
My original dog was already about 4 years old when I got another puppy. At first the 4yr old would look at the puppy kinda strange, but they got acclimated to one another once they got to sniff each other around for a bit. Now they are the best of friends and either one is sad if the other is not around! (and even when one is sick, the other one will "look" and act down, too)

Good luck and K+ for rescuing a dog.

theHIGHlander · 03-06-2010, 01:53 AM

thanks guys,,,well i should find out over the next few days if its going to happen.....the owner might have found someone,,,finger crossed hes not,,,but if so hears hoping she gone to a good home

K+ to all you guys

highlander

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03-04-2010, 12:59 PM	#1
theHIGHlander european ganja growers Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: europe Posts: 2,145	should i rescue??? right some people will know that my next dog was going to be a French Mastiff,,(turner&hooch style dog for people that dont know). anyway thats been put on the back burner,,as ive not got a spare $2000 at the moment....(just spend that on my other dogs vet bill). right so hear goes.. the wife comes in from work the other day and tells me,, (lets just call her Jill ).... Jills son has to give up is dog because he moving house and the landlords dont allow dogs. so Jills son is trying to find a owner for Kia...................... mmmmmm this got me thinking,,,,should I..yeh me,,,rescue Kia the Bulll mastiff??????...shes not a French but that i can live with... shes 2/half years old, kind with kids,not violent,,ok with other dogs,,,just get a bit excited,,,am a boxer owner so know what that means lol.. i suppose my Questions are,,,,People that have rescued I NEED YOUR INPUT...... how do i go about bringing another bitch into my house hold?.....ive got a boxer (bitch), she not viloent towards other dogs but am unsure how she would take another dog coming into the house + i worry that Layla will feel unloved/second best??........1 thing i know for sure is thay will meet before (outside at the park) to see how thay get on..........oh 1 more thing,,,the wife & kid have the final YES or NO... so Yes, or NO......with some advice from peeps that have rescued keep it green highlander __________________ pick it pack it fire it up come along and take a hit from the bong Rule #1 tell know1 ,,Rule #2, remember Rule #1 European Ganja Growers
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03-04-2010, 03:04 PM	#6
NiteTiger Tiger, Tiger, burning bright... Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,256	If you're handling the dogs well, there will be no issue. As the pack leader, it's your job to not only decide who is in the pack, but where they stand, as well. If you handle the situation, then both dogs should look to you for guidance. If you leave it for them to figure out themselves, they'll do it the way dogs do... If you continue humanizing the dog, it will lead to problems, female or no. Dog's don't feel 'unloved'. That is a human emotion, and that kind of emotional turmoil in you will leave the dogs, both of them, being confused and insecure. Dogs are pack animals, and want to follow a pack hierarchy. To that end, they will follow the strong, confident leader, no matter age, sex, or even species. What you feel as 'guilt' (worried about the dog's 'feelings'), they see as confusion, and weakness. In the presence of that weakness, the dogs will instinctively start vying for roles, and you'll have "bad behavior" - fights, urination, etc. If you go into it as 'I'm the leader, what I say goes, and that's that', then the dogs will recognize that energy, and naturally follow your lead. If you're tense or worried about potential fights or problems, the dogs will sense that uneasiness, and will feed off of that, becoming nervous and tense themselves. Two nervous, tense dogs usually mean two bloody, slobbery dogs. Take the new dog for a long walk to establish your role (you walk in front, briskly, head up, basically ignoring the dog, and forcing the dog to match your pace) before you bring it to your home. Then, in your home, still on the leash, bring the dog into the kitchen. Don't let the dogs meet before you are ready, Don't let the new dog go running through the house 'exploring' or 'getting familiar'. This is your territory, and you're the leader. To allow the dog free run will confuse it - that's not how it is done, according to dog law. Once the dog is in the house, and calm (never reward, through speech or contact, an excited dog, it tells them excited = good), now is the time for introductions. Allow your dog to come make contact with the new pack member. Keep in mind that your frame of mind is crucial - you're not 'seeing how they get along', you're saying 'this is how it is'. Watch for any signs of dominance or agitation, and catch it early. No one is allowed to be dominant. There is one dominant entity, and that is the pack leader, you. Your dog doesn't get to be dominant, just like the new one doesn't. This shouldn't be a cuddle fest, where everyone is getting loved on and crooned over, or getting treats, for being such 'good dogs'. Everyone is nice and calm, and 'ends' with both dogs laying down, perfectly comfortable, oblivious to each other because the pack leader has said it will be so. Then, it's on leash and off for a walk with your pack, reasserting for all involved exactly who is in control in your pack. If you think that sounds crazy, or don't think you could pull it off, then you really want to take a harder look at your decision to have a pack, especially one with large, powerful animals. Always try to rescue first, good on you __________________ *Remember - Every 'elite' started off as someone's bagseed* kingjobber - This hash just uncentered my chi Growing cannabis is only as complicated and expensive as you want it to be. Current Grow: Knowledge Guides: Diatomaceous Earth - The Best Pesticide You've Never Heard Of Pontiac's DIY Link-O-Rama Unofficial Glossary for New Growers The Water Cure- How, when, and why How to remove 'HPS Orange' quick and easy!
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03-05-2010, 12:12 AM	#7
theHIGHlander european ganja growers Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: europe Posts: 2,145	^^^^^^ thats the kinda advise am talking about....yeh am pritty sure am up to that,,,thanks bro when you put it like that it makes so much sence K+ keep it green highlander __________________ pick it pack it fire it up come along and take a hit from the bong Rule #1 tell know1 ,,Rule #2, remember Rule #1 European Ganja Growers
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03-05-2010, 12:56 AM	#8
RockyMountainHi I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,600	NiteTiger's post is prime. Long time ago, I adopted a dog from the shelter - had several issues - talked to my dad,, who said his friend went to an animal behavior specialist that was able to teach his collie not to kill the chickens - the guy charged $300 and guaranteed to fix the issue. (Or issues) I called. He came, I paid. Mister the dog is getting in the trash. Don't leave the trash where the dog can get it. Dogs are scavangers - that's what they do. Life will be better if I would accept nature. Best $300 I ever spent. Wasn't animal behavior so much as owner training. lol Every dog of mine since, has been a rescue doggie. I'd prolly do a kitty, but the bird was here first. You already understand the vet bill thing. Gawd it's amazing how fast they can go thru 1000's My buddy recently got a new family member, a sweet lil brindle Boxer - he'd say yes also. Without a doubt, sometimes it's just ment to be. __________________ People say I'm crazy doing what I'm doing Well they give me all kinds of warnings to save me from ruin When I say that I'm o.k. well they look at me kind of strange Surely you're not happy now you no longer play the game People say I'm lazy dreaming my life away Well they give me all kinds of advice designed to enlighten me When I tell them that I'm doing fine watching shadows on the wall Don't you miss the big time boy you're no longer on the ball I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round I really love to watch them roll No longer riding on the merry-go-round I just had to let it go. John Lennon 10/09/1940 - 12/08/1980
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03-04-2010, 01:14 PM	#2
tokinafaty420 Guest Posts: n/a	Dogs instincts are to form hierarchies. If the new dog recognizes your current dog's place there probably won't be any issues. If the new dog decides to challenge your current dog and assert her dominance there could be issues. I have introduced dogs to my pack and the dog below me always let the new comer know their place. I try to let them work it out on their own as long as they are not physically harming each other. They should all recognize you as the alpha dog and should respond to you.
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03-04-2010, 01:36 PM	#3
good drown Guest Posts: n/a	DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is it a male? that means alot. there wont be hardly any fighting like it would be if it was 2 males.
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03-05-2010, 01:26 AM	#9
hippie_lettuce Garden Nymph Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,746	As long as you are in the right frame of mind, and so is your current dog, then introducing a new one into the family will be all right. Allow them to do their thing; they will sniff each other's butt, romp around for a few, etc. My original dog was already about 4 years old when I got another puppy. At first the 4yr old would look at the puppy kinda strange, but they got acclimated to one another once they got to sniff each other around for a bit. Now they are the best of friends and either one is sad if the other is not around! (and even when one is sick, the other one will "look" and act down, too) Good luck and K+ for rescuing a dog. __________________ Categorizing Cannabis Smoke/Effects Peat's Sour Rhino
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03-06-2010, 01:53 AM	#10
theHIGHlander european ganja growers Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: europe Posts: 2,145	thanks guys,,,well i should find out over the next few days if its going to happen.....the owner might have found someone,,,finger crossed hes not,,,but if so hears hoping she gone to a good home K+ to all you guys highlander __________________ pick it pack it fire it up come along and take a hit from the bong Rule #1 tell know1 ,,Rule #2, remember Rule #1 European Ganja Growers
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