[globel]

So my local hydro shop cant carry anything that has fulvic on the label any more... And I cant find any shop in the area.... My hydro guy said to use diamond nectar.

So my question is... does diamond nectar contain fulvic acid?

[uglybunny]

Any explanation as to why? I would personally just order fulmag from an online source. It is dirt cheap and really good stuff.

https://safergro.com/product2/fulmag.htm

[TickleMyBalls]

weak, luckily theres no shortage of lysergic acid diethylamide in california. then there would be real problems.

[uglybunny]

LOL, Tickle. Funny you say that, I too have noticed acid is easier to find these days.

Basically Cali ,and from what I understand OR followed suit, will not allow products on the shelf with a claim of fulvic acid. This is in part because the powers to be feel there is no acceptable test for fulvic acid. I'm sure this will change in a few years and a few groups working behind the scenes as a consortium to get things cleaned up. There is a test many consider the best but not but not accepted across the board. I talked to an ag testing lab in Cali that's been around for like 40 years and they will test for humics and told me if I could supply them with a solid test for fulvics they'd be all ears.

As for Diamond Nectar forget that stuff. The best fulvic product out there is BioAg's Full Power Humic. Disregard the 'Humic' part on the label cause it's loaded with fulvic. Buy some DN and some FPH and take a look at the color of each...lol. You'll never touch DN again! Another thing is BioAg is the only company using a slow cold bacterial fermentation process to make the product. Virtually everyone else uses and alkali/acid extraction process which dramatically denatures the acids. What you are actually getting are humic and fulvic salts and not humic and fulvic acids. There's a shitload of humic/fulvic powder that comes in from China and very cheap but the stuff is crap. BioAg also makes a powder humic product but not from an alkali/acid extraction or bacterial ferment process . Another thing to keep in mind about powders is if high heat is used in the drying, which most probably due because it is simple and inexpensive, the fulvic acids especially will agglomerate and pretty much become useless. Stick with products from BioAg. For their powder look at TM-7.

[Dank-j]

..You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to *Journeyman* again.

Dude, you know your sh!t, thanks for that bioAG FPH product.

[krunchbubble]

Originally Posted by *Journeyman*

Basically Cali ,and from what I understand OR followed suit, will not allow products on the shelf with a claim of fulvic acid. This is in part because the powers to be feel there is no acceptable test for fulvic acid. I'm sure this will change in a few years and a few groups working behind the scenes as a consortium to get things cleaned up. There is a test many consider the best but not but not accepted across the board. I talked to an ag testing lab in Cali that's been around for like 40 years and they will test for humics and told me if I could supply them with a solid test for fulvics they'd be all ears.

As for Diamond Nectar forget that stuff. The best fulvic product out there is BioAg's Full Power Humic. Disregard the 'Humic' part on the label cause it's loaded with fulvic. Buy some DN and some FPH and take a look at the color of each...lol. You'll never touch DN again! Another thing is BioAg is the only company using a slow cold bacterial fermentation process to make the product. Virtually everyone else uses and alkali/acid extraction process which dramatically denatures the acids. What you are actually getting are humic and fulvic salts and not humic and fulvic acids. There's a shitload of humic/fulvic powder that comes in from China and very cheap but the stuff is crap. BioAg also makes a powder humic product but not from an alkali/acid extraction or bacterial ferment process . Another thing to keep in mind about powders is if high heat is used in the drying, which most probably due because it is simple and inexpensive, the fulvic acids especially will agglomerate and pretty much become useless. Stick with products from BioAg. For their powder look at TM-7.

he knows what hes talking about...........

[opt1c]

i'll third that

Ha ha...thanx y'all

One thing I want to add is in soil applications you'll find something like Micromate from Mesa Verde resources MANY times more active than conventional humic/fulvic products and also less expensive. Micromate is a micronized form of humic 'ore' and know someone who's tested such a product in large scale agriculture against conventional humic/fulvic extracts to prove this out. BioAg's products rock but for the more back-to-basics type grower the micronized version should be fantastic. Can even work well as a foliar but in an application like that I'd rather go with FPH!

I got my hands on a whole humate product I think might be a KILLER addition to a hydro enviro, not Micromate cause this one is a liquid, and gonna give to a few peeps I know to test so we'll see. Should add something to a typical hydro setup that's 'missing'.

BTW - Dr. Faust at BioAg developed a proprietary low temp drying process for his powders so no worries there.

[Clackamas Coot]

Originally Posted by *Journeyman*

BTW - Dr. Faust at BioAg developed a proprietary low temp drying process for his powders so no worries there.

*Journeyman*

It may be just a 'West Coast' deal for right now but Down-To-Earth is now carrying a couple of BioAg.com's dried humic acid products as well as their 'golden liquid humic acid' (called fulvic acid anywhere other than Oregon & California as you pointed out).

The prices are very fair - a gallon of the fulvic acid is around $48.00 and the rate of application is 1 oz. per gallon of water for a soil soak and 1/2 oz. for foliar application.

HTH

CC

Disclaimer: I've been a customer of BioAg for over 3 years. Very solid scientists without the 'grow store agenda' - people with integrity producing what I feel are some of the best humic/fulvic acids available. YMMV