[Cannoiseur]

Since the growth of roots and shoots is kept in even proportion by Auxins within the plant, shouldn't a root growth stimulator that's based on hormones slow the growth of herbaceous tissue? From what I understand Roots Excelurator basically just includes a bunch of hormones to stimulate the growth of roots on the plant, but what I know of plant physiology leads me to believe that this directly reduces the growth rate of the shoots.

Does anyone know exactly which hormones are included in this product?

[Bozo]

I think the reason we like it so much is altho there may be a stall ie waiting for tissue to catch up to root mass we dont like waiting and our plants are short lived

[grapeman]

Originally Posted by Cannoiseur

Since the growth of roots and shoots is kept in even proportion by Auxins within the plant, shouldn't a root growth stimulator that's based on hormones slow the growth of herbaceous tissue? From what I understand Roots Excelurator basically just includes a bunch of hormones to stimulate the growth of roots on the plant, but what I know of plant physiology leads me to believe that this directly reduces the growth rate of the shoots.

Does anyone know exactly which hormones are included in this product?

Hmmm. I don't think so. While it may be natural for plants to display above ground what is happening under ground, developing early root growth can only pay dividends later in a plants life. Farmers try to do this all the time.

[Cannoiseur]

I'll be the first to admit that cultivating a healthy root system is bar-none the most important parameter for increasing the yield and quality of your final product... I just feel that artificially inoculating the plant with hormones it would normally produce internally must have some sort of drawback. I suppose it's just a tradeoff... while vegging takes longer because the plant puts more energy into producing roots, once you stop feeding the Excelurator during flower the plant must explode in growth as the hormonal signals reverse naturally.

so, longer veg, but incredible roots = enormous harvest. I guess you just have to choose if you prefer quick over quantity/ quality that takes some time

[BigTop]

RE has the primary ingredient of a bacterium... of some sort as they don't specifically label it... presumably for easier sales within certain markets...???

The slight amount of nutes provided are intended to boost the germ rate for those bacteria.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no root 'hormones', but that it encourages root growth by inoculation of a beneficial organism... a clean medium + root colonizing bene's = better potential for massive root growth. Even still, it is no guarantee.

Been using for better part of 2 years, so pretty sure this is correct info... not trying to mislead. Peace.

[Cannoiseur]

are you sure about that? everything I read says that it's NOT microbial like most rooting products....

[grapeman]

Originally Posted by Cannoiseur

I suppose it's just a tradeoff... while vegging takes longer because the plant puts more energy into producing roots, once you stop feeding the Excelurator during flower the plant must explode in growth as the hormonal signals reverse naturally.

so, longer veg, but incredible roots = enormous harvest. I guess you just have to choose if you prefer quick over quantity/ quality that takes some time

No not really. The tradeoff is not quick over quantity/ quality.

The tradeoff is the cost of the product/benefit. Trying to say that those that have used the product somehow have quantity or quality issues is self serving to your argument and false on it's face. If you don't have the money for the product or you believe you grow just fine without using it no worries. But to say you grow more or better then others because you don't use the product is just plain stupid.

[Cannoiseur]

woah man simmer down, I said absolutely nothing of the sort
In no way whatsoever was I claiming that I grow better than people who use RE.... I'm not even sure where you're getting that from, or why you seem to be so pissed off....

Here is all I'm saying;
The plant can only produce so much biomass at once. The products you use can accelerate that to a point, but there is a maximum that can't be surpassed, this is just a fact of botany. leafs can only photosynthesize so much, no matter how much light/water/food you provide them.

Furthermore, plant growth is dictated by hormones. Indole-3-Acetic acid is the most common example of an Auxin produced internally by plants. If there are more shoot-specific auxins in the plant than Root-Auxins then the plant interprets that as an overabundance of leaf tissue and increases the growth of roots accordingly so as to keep everything in balance. Similarly, if there are more hormones coming from the root area of the plant then leaf growth is accelerated so that all the nutrients and water being taken up by the roots have a place to go and be utilized. My argument here is simple; if RE uses hormones to accelerate the growth of roots, then the growth rate of shoots must be slower. This is really the only option, because if they pumped in equal amounts of Root and Shoot specific hormones then their product would be completely neutral and thus useless.

[grapeman]

Originally Posted by Cannoiseur

woah man simmer down, I said absolutely nothing of the sort
In no way whatsoever was I claiming that I grow better than people who use RE.... I'm not even sure where you're getting that from, or why you seem to be so pissed off....

Here is all I'm saying;
The plant can only produce so much biomass at once. The products you use can accelerate that to a point, but there is a maximum that can't be surpassed, this is just a fact of botany. leafs can only photosynthesize so much, no matter how much light/water/food you provide them.

Furthermore, plant growth is dictated by hormones. Indole-3-Acetic acid is the most common example of an Auxin produced internally by plants. If there are more shoot-specific auxins in the plant than Root-Auxins then the plant interprets that as an overabundance of leaf tissue and increases the growth of roots accordingly so as to keep everything in balance. Similarly, if there are more hormones coming from the root area of the plant then leaf growth is accelerated so that all the nutrients and water being taken up by the roots have a place to go and be utilized. My argument here is simple; if RE uses hormones to accelerate the growth of roots, then the growth rate of shoots must be slower. This is really the only option, because if they pumped in equal amounts of Root and Shoot specific hormones then their product would be completely neutral and thus useless.

Look - you said what you said. I quoted you. If you don't want to use RE then don't. Please don't lecture me. I assure you, I have forgotten more about farming/growing then you currently know, fron whatever books you may have read, including the use of growth hormones and auxins. I've farmed for a living for 40 years, from grapes and citrus to radishes and everything in between. I see an increased root mass with this product on this crop. As a farmer, I can tell you that healthy roots give you a higher likelihood of a bigger and better crop in the end. Is this product necessary? No.

But you are arguing with yourself.... use it or don't. I don't think anyone cares really.

And BTW, you can increase the use of light and accelerate growth. The secret is carbon.

[BigTop]

Originally Posted by Cannoiseur

are you sure about that? everything I read says that it's NOT microbial like most rooting products....

Read a bit deeper into it... not on the label, nor in the early product lit... haven't looked at their stuff in over a year, so...?


I promise you... it is a bacterium... don't know the specific species.

It grows massive white colonies on my coir. It mucks up stagnant run-off if you let it sit long enough. It prevents any other microbes (the bad fungi for me) from inhabiting the rooting cubes... haven't had an issue w DO ever since using it 2 years ago.

Peace.