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Old 05-07-2012, 01:03 PM   #976
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Eagle20 is POISON.

Did anyone read the Eagle20 Label?

Do you guys think its a safe product?
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Eagle20 is POISON.
Did YOU read the label?

Please provide your source to support your OPINION (not fact) that Eagle is POSION. Here is the information I posted in a different thread that debunked this earlier. Eagle (and aspirin) are Prop 65 chemicals--like most of the cleaners stored under your kitchen sink--and are NOT POISON!

Damn, I hate misinformation--AKA stoner logic! Eagle is classified as a "reproductive toxicant"--not "poison". Smear it on your chest and if you are a male, you might become sterile--AND if you are a female...nothing, no toxic effect with the reproductive system.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....77#post5009177

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.....Now, why the skull and crossbones and PAN Bad Actor deal? You will not believe the answer.

First, what are PAN Bad Actors? "PAN Bad Actors are chemicals that are one or more of the following: highly acutely toxic, cholinesterase inhibitor, known/probable carcinogen, known groundwater pollutant or known reproductive or developmental toxicant."

So why is Myclobutanil a "Bad Actor"...any guesses? It is not what you think. The answers are in the section just past the skull and crossbones--seems that no one took the time to read it, so allow me to post it.
WHO rates Myclobutanil as "III slightly hazardous" and EPA has "no census value"...so IT IS NOT HIGHLY ACUTELY TOXIC (nope, not the first one).

Is it not a cholinesterase inhibitor....(ok, 2 down a few more to go)

As for Myclobutanil being a carcinogen, US EPA classifies it as a "Category E Unlikely" (Category E: Probably not carcinogenic, with no evidence of carcinogenicity in at least two adequate animal tests in different species in adequate epidemiologic and animal studies. (3 down...)

Groundwater rating...insufficient data, hmmm is this the qualifier for being a Pan Bad Actor?....nah, 4 down and no dingers yet.

It seems that like almost all chemicals (we have all seen those California Prop 65 signs/warnings about reproductive or developmental toxicants....well, guess what--that is the sole reason Myclobutanil it is a PAN Bad Actor.
Got it...all the hysteria cuz, it is a Prop 65 chemical. Too funny...most everything under my kitchen sink came with a Prop 65 warning, in fact--the Riedel Crystal wine glasses I got for Christmas came with the Prop 65 warning...lead glass is used to make crystal. Don't gas stations have Prop 65 warning signs posted too?

For a complete list of Prop 65 chems....http://www.oehha.ca.gov/prop65/prop6...ngle021712.pdf....which includes a dangerous pill called "aspirin"....lol.

So lets see....1 ml per gallon, foliar spray on leaves, 5 day foliar half life, 90% gone in 21 days...1 gallon will service how many plants in veg?...hmmm, what was the question again? Is Eagle safe? Where is the proof that it is not?....waiting....
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It effect males reproductive systems only--"Male reproductive toxicity -- Myclobutanil: Exposure to Myclobutanil, a recognized reproductive toxicant, can negatively affect the male reproductive system. Myclobutanil is used mainly as a fungicide. The severity and nature of the adverse effect is variable and can be influenced by factors such as level of exposure and individual sensitivity to the chemical. Effects on the male reproductive system can include such things as altered sexual behavior, altered fertility and problems with sperm shape or count."

http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/m/male...anil/intro.htm

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Old 05-07-2012, 06:09 PM   #977
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HOW BOUT YOU?
Did any of you read the label???

Yes I read the Label.

No matter how you want to sugar coat it its poison "toxicant".

You dumb asses think its safe.

Here's your FACTS
Page 18
Do not use treated plant material for food or feed

How much clear could that be?

Page 2
Hazards to humans and domestic animals info.
Did you read that?
Still think its safe?

What about the restricted entry interval?
Still think its safe?

Use it on maple trees the directions say "treated trees may not be used for syrup"

Use it on sunflower the directions say "seeds from treated plants may not be used for feed."

EclipseFour20 your a real piece of work
"Eagle is classified as a "reproductive toxicant"--not "poison""
What does the word toxicant mean?
Go back to school.

And you want to smoke it?
AKA stoner logic

You are all providing misinformation suggesting this is a safe product.

Its not a safe product for human consumption
Read the directions.
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:39 PM   #978
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HOW BOUT YOU?
Did any of you read the label???

Yes I read the Label.

No matter how you want to sugar coat it its poison "toxicant".

You dumb asses think its safe.

Here's your FACTS
Page 18
Do not use treated plant material for food or feed

How much clear could that be?

Page 2
Hazards to humans and domestic animals info.
Did you read that?
Still think its safe?

What about the restricted entry interval?
Still think its safe?

Use it on maple trees the directions say "treated trees may not be used for syrup"

Use it on sunflower the directions say "seeds from treated plants may not be used for feed."

EclipseFour20 your a real piece of work
"Eagle is classified as a "reproductive toxicant"--not "poison""
What does the word toxicant mean?
Go back to school.

And you want to smoke it?
AKA stoner logic

You are all providing misinformation suggesting this is a safe product.

Its not a safe product for human consumption
Read the directions.
If used in vegetive growth or right before flower.... it will be out of the plant by the time you harvest ... 2-3 months later

Eagle20 has a 21-30 day respray interval.... so that tells you its out of the plant and needs to be re-applied if the plant is exposed to the spore on a regular basis (outdoor crops)
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Before calling others dumb ass...what label are you reading? This one is revised 9/21/11--what date is yours?
http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld6DG000.pdf

Aren't apples, grapes, stone fruits, cherries and such food? See the application rates start on page 8 for these foods....
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Has anyone contacted Dow?

I did!
Went straight to the horses mouth.
Here's the e-mail

Is Eagle 20ew safe to use on cannabis sativa? i.e ingested threw smoking? I don't think so. I'm just trying to get my facts straight


Here's the reply

"Thank you for contacting Dow AgroSciences. No, Eagle*20EW is not labeled for marijuana or medical marijuana."



I hope this helps!


So their you have it.
STOP poisoning unknowing people don't use eagle20!
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Old 05-09-2012, 05:34 AM   #983
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[quote=mendo420;5105828]Has anyone contacted Dow?

I did!
Went straight to the horses mouth.
Here's the e-mail

Is Eagle 20ew safe to use on cannabis sativa? i.e ingested threw smoking? I don't think so. I'm just trying to get my facts straight


Here's the reply

"Thank you for contacting Dow AgroSciences. No, Eagle*20EW is not labeled for marijuana or medical marijuana."



I hope this helps!


So their you have it.
STOP poisoning unknowing people don't use eagle20![/QUOTE





Of Course they would say that!!!

Would Dow AgroScience saying they have ANYTHING labeled for marijuana? NO FUCKING WAY!!! And neither would ANY company that big say there product is for or can be used on marijuana....

That is the imbecilic(you may have to Google that one mendo420) post i have seen trying to discourage use of a product. It didn't work and makes you look pretty damn stupid....

Why don't you call up Sudafed and ask if there product can be made into meth? Bet they would say No, but we all know the answer to that one....
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Has anyone contacted Dow?

I did!
Went straight to the horses mouth.
Here's the e-mail
Is Eagle 20ew safe to use on cannabis sativa? i.e ingested threw smoking? I don't think so. I'm just trying to get my facts straight

Here's the reply

"Thank you for contacting Dow AgroSciences. No, Eagle*20EW is not labeled for marijuana or medical marijuana."

I hope this helps!
So their you have it.
STOP poisoning unknowing people don't use eagle20!
I don't post here much.But I DO pay attention.
This could be the stupidest post I've read regarding the use of Eagle20.

It might help to be grammatically correct when you communicate with a faceless corporation. It's '...through smoking,' not '...threw smoking.'

More importantly, note that the Dow response did not actually answer the question as asked. You asked if it was '...safe to use' The reply stated it was '...not labeled for...'
You didn't ask about labeling. You asked about safety. Duh!
You might as well have asked, 'Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?'

Did you really think that Dow was going to get anywhere near responding definitively, much less positively to a grammatically deficient question regarding MMJ from an anonymous stoner?
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Has anyone contacted Dow?

I did!
Went straight to the horses mouth.
Here's the e-mail

Is Eagle 20ew safe to use on cannabis sativa? i.e ingested threw smoking? I don't think so. I'm just trying to get my facts straight


Here's the reply

"Thank you for contacting Dow AgroSciences. No, Eagle*20EW is not labeled for marijuana or medical marijuana."



I hope this helps!


So their you have it.
STOP poisoning unknowing people don't use eagle20!
Mendo, in order to understand what they're saying, one must understand labeling laws. What they're saying is 100% true, Eagle 20, NO product in truth of fact, is labeled for use with C. sativa of any variety. I've not even found hemp labeling, with the distinct exception of herbicides (labeling saying that it KILLS something they're calling hemp). We don't want that kind of labeling.

This is a direct result of laws requiring plant listings for labeling, i.e. approved use on/for.

Now, I'm not calling for use of E20, I have other issues with it, nor do I feel that cancer is the worst thing out there. However, I feel it's important to understand, on a factual basis, what they're saying and why.

In other words, we can thank the government for this situation.

What we must do instead is search for corollaries, what would be smoked and treated for stuff like powdery mildew? Tobacco. Do we want to grow in accordance with commercial-scale tobacco cultivation, or do we prefer to grow in accordance with organic standards? Right now there is no other compulsion except ethical to make a decision for organic methods.

As I understand it, there are few to no fungicides approved for use on tobacco. I have been able to find a lot of products labeled for use outside the US, but have to date only found one that's labeled for field use of tobacco in the US. I don't know enough about the situation to make an assessment, or even suggest that my searches or level of information is anything resembling complete. I am only reporting what *I* have found thus far. Ag Streptomycin is the one product I've found labeled for field tobacco.

In the meantime, I treat my smoke like I treat my food, organically, with minimal inputs so as to help close that loop, if you know what I mean.
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Before calling others dumb ass...what label are you reading? This one is revised 9/21/11--what date is yours?
http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld6DG000.pdf

Aren't apples, grapes, stone fruits, cherries and such food? See the application rates start on page 8 for these foods....
no you are absolutely wrong

your linking a specimen label not the msds sheet

they are both linked form dow's site:

http://www.cdms.net/manuf/mprod.asp?...=3691&manuf=11 look under eagle20

specimen sheet = http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld6DG000.pdf

MSDS = http://www.cdms.net/ldat/mp6DG001.pdf


either your purposely trying to decieve or not capable of even diserning between two different documents

so it woudl seem to come down to dimished capacity or lack of integrity

lol whose calling who a dumbass?
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