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Old 02-18-2010, 11:35 AM #1
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propagator - navod

Ahoj vseci.

chtela bych se zeptat a pomoct s vyrobou propagatoru. (ucelem toho trydu ve finale je aby zde probehl komplet navrh a vyroba propagatoru vcetne toho kde a za kolik sehnat dane komponenty v CR)

jde o to ze v posledni dobe mi v rw kostkach uschlo asi 30rezu ptze sem je nezvladala zalevat, tak sem nekde narazila na "propagator" ale origo stoji kolem 2000-3000,- korun a to mi prijde za nadobu s vodou a bublanim trosku moc.

chtela jsem teda poprosit zda nekdo nema zkusenosti jak to postavit co vse bude potreba a na kolik by to zhruba mohlo vyjit.

ja mam hrubou predstavu:
- nadrz (made in ikea cca 100,-Kc) napadlo me neco takoveho https://www.ikea.com/cz/cs/catalog/products/10073345
bude 8cm dost na uchyceni rezu a delani korenu? 34x21 je cca rozmer A4 coz bude stacit na cca 15 - 20 rezu
nebo tohle https://www.ikea.com/cz/cs/catalog/products/00130129

krabice s ikey budou asi nejlepsi ne? nebo mate jinou variantu?

- vzduchovadlo ... dle rozmeru nadrze bude stacit asi obyc male vzduchovadlo pripadne s rozdvojkou na dva propagatory cca 200,-korun

- topné teleso... v zime byva dost zima :-) 250,- Kc, ale asi nebude nezbytne... kolik by mela byt teplota roztoku? a v cem se to projevi kdyz ta voda bude chladnejsi

- neco do ceho se daji samotne rezy (nebudu klonovat jen MJ ale nejspis i chili pokud to vyjde)
... tady uplne tapu a vubec nevim, zatim me napadnul jen molitan, ale ten asi nebude moc kosher - saje vodu plesnivi atd tad.. ale co ja vim

a mozna nejaky malicky ponorny teplomer 30,-Kc maly ponorny do akvarka :-)


dekuji moc za jakoukoliv radu a pripadne i za napady nebo prakticke ukazky jak na to...

pokud myslite ze je to uplne zbytecny tryd tak ho klidne smazte :-)

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Old 02-18-2010, 11:42 AM #2
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a jeste jeden dotaz.. k funkci.. tipuji ze do vody se nic nedava, (hnojky nic, mozna jen kyselina na upravu PH) nebo se pletu? nedala by se tam dat nejaka latka, neco jako korenak?
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:20 PM #3
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Ahoj Niky

Miesto fotografii jednoho (mojho) cloneru..
Ti posielam thread kde najdes mnoho inspiracie..
Vcetne odpovede do coho vlozit rezy...
A vobec ako na to...>>
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...ght=dwc+cloner

Tu je ina alternativa..aspon pre zaujimavost..>>
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...bubbler+cloner

Topne teleso ani podlozku potrebovat nebudes..
Pokial nemas bubble-cloner umiestneny v pivnici/garazi...
Idealna teplota je v rozpeti 22-24C a urcite by som nesiel vyssie ako 26C
Co znamena ze skvor bude v lete problem s teplom...
PH vody samozrejme budes musiet upravit a drzat sa medzi 5,6-5,8
Skusil som rozne vzduchovacie kamienky,hadicky..Mne sa najlepsie
osvedcil tento..https://www.akvashop.sk/vzduchovaci-k....html?cPath=72
Do dvoch kamienkov tlaci vzduch dvojmembranovy (6W) vzduchovac
s regulaciov..https://www.akvashop.sk/sera-275-r-pl....html?cPath=72

Drzim palce
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:38 PM #4
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Peri moc dekuju za rychlou odpoved, ja sem davala do hledani propagator a to mi vypadlo uplne jine info.. diky moc za moc pekne odkazy

odpoledne skocim do obchodu postracham doma krabici nebo sjedu do ikey a jdu na to :-)
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:37 PM #5
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Niky

Ja som si upravil tento kusok...

Vyuzil som povodnych 27 otvorov a dnes je v kazdom kosicku po 5 klonov..
Nedaval som do kosicka rockwool ani keramzit(hydroton)..Miesto toho
som kazdy klon umiestnil do vopred pripraveneho otvoru..
Ktory som spravil do vyrezaneho dna 2dcl plastoveho tedliku a ktory
presne zapadol do kosicka..Tym je cely kloner uzavrety a nedostane
sa do neho svetlo,co by sposobovalo problemy s riasami...
(Na upevnenie klonu inak doporucujem pouzit Mirelon https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirelon)

Spolu v nom prekorenuje 135 klonov,v ramci jedneho kola..
Vyhovovali mi jeho rozmery(dlzka:66,sirka:30,hlbk a:14) a iba 13lit rezervoar..
Aj s prislusenstvom(cely kit zo vzduchovacom,hadicky,kosicky) ma stal 1300CZK
Dobra alternativa za slusny peniaz,pre tych menej sikovnych
Investicia navyse bola v podobe mnov preferovanych kamienkov...
Budem sledovat ako sa s tym 'poperes' a ak mozem poradit..
Nehambi sa


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Old 02-18-2010, 07:45 PM #6
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PERIPHERY:
krasne reseni!
Jak dlouho ti tak prumerne koreni v tvém klonovaci?
Poznas nejaky rozdil ve stabilite klonu bez kostky?
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Old 02-19-2010, 10:53 AM #7
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Tak sem vcera koupila ten vzduchovac, vzala sem primo ten co mi peri doporucil SERA 275 R plus (peri ty dve zpetne klapky jsou tam jen proto aby do vzduchovace nenatekla voda nebo to ma i nejaky jiny vyznam, treba lepsi tlak), tezce improvizovana krabicka a prvni rezy v ni (zatim v rw kostce), zatim nemam fotku ale myslim ze na tyden dva to zafunguje, urcite lepe nez nic

ted jeste rychle poresim PH a lepsi krabici a je to v pohode a mirelon (pokud dobre chapu je to ta seda izolace na trubky) to me taky nejvic zaujalo v tech odkazech co peri posilal.
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Praxer:na stabilitu to až takovej vliv nemá, horší je, že když klon bez média přemístíš do substrátu, tak mu musíš zajistit dostatek vzdušný vlhkosti, jinak začne schnout..
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