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shantibaba · 09-23-2005, 12:00 AM

Hi All

thanks to a co-researcher in the field of Cannabis I was made aware of this new article. Considering the heritage of the Widow and alot of my personal work in the field of selective breeding, it seems that Sativas will soon be classified differently due to their differing Cannabinoids/Terpines. With over 600 different Cannabinoids that are found on the plant, science has the ability to verify about 30, and technology existing can measure only 2/3 of those.

As usual fear and greed caused prohibition on Cannabis before it could be sure of anything except what was visual and that was a bunch of hippies preaching peace and love. But time will reveal the truths that are invisible to the eye...and the reason we are already gathered together in forums such as this one discussing...Cannabis is the future.

Hope you realize the implications this article will bring in time...I think it will be GREAT. Happy reading....all the best Shantibaba

Rasta lends its name to a third type of cannabis

https://www.newscientist.com/article...=mg18725175.200

AS POLICE and dope smokers know, there are two types of cannabis. Cannabis sativa sativa is mainly used to make hemp, while the indica subspecies is prized for its tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content, which produces the "high". But now Australian researchers have discovered a third type of cannabis, called rasta.

Simon Gilmore of the Canberra Institute of Technology catagorised 196 sample plants according to the DNA in their mitochondria and chloroplasts. The samples included plants grown for drugs and hemp as well as wild varieties from Europe, Asia, Africa, Mexico and Jamaica.

The results showed three distinct "races" of cannabis. In central Asia the THC-rich indica predominated, while in western Europe sativa was more common. In India, south-east Asia, Africa, Mexico and Jamaica the rasta variant predominated. It looks similar to the sativa subspecies, but generally contains higher levels of THC.

Since the study was of DNA rather than a formal taxonomic study, Cannabis sativa rasta is not yet an official new subspecies: the name was the result of a competition in Gilmore's lab. Their work is expected to appear in the journal Forensic Science International later this year.
From issue 2517 of New Scientist magazine, 20 September 2005, page 12

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Dutchgrown · 09-23-2005, 12:30 AM

High Shantibaba...yes, there's been some discussions here about this. A thread
in the Breeder's Forum on this, here's a link...some interesting comments in the thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=15624

Thanks,
dg

OG bub · 09-23-2005, 05:05 AM

High shanti n DG!
yeah Im a bit stumped as to the info about this new "rasta"
Im catching the vibe that the only difference was a higher content in THC type. (ive got more to read however)

I wonder tho, what impacts this would/would not make in observations of cannabis in general.
As to name a "new" cannabis, is not within my concept, as Im shure these exact "new" lines have been worked with on different levels over time, and like everything now, hybridized over generations.
while preservation could be valuable.
I question Any significance of this "new" type.. aside from specifiying regional charachteristics of cannabis types..
Id love to gather more, valid, information.
while Ive got some real Indians, and Jamaicans, I do find them quite potent, amongst the best. however, about anything can be bred out/in over time and selection.

Peace, n good to see you.

OG bub.

09-23-2005, 05:17 AM

OG, I don't think it is a new type of cannabis, just a new way to classify existing varieties based on new genetic information....

OG bub · 09-23-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Grat3fulH3ad

OG, I don't think it is a new type of cannabis, just a new way to classify existing varieties based on new genetic information....

that would make quite a bit more sence to me..
Thanks for the clairification. like I said, I should find some time to learn a bit more on this topic and specific subject.
Dhanks much!
bub.

shantibaba · 09-23-2005, 05:50 PM

Hi all

basically the cannabinoid content of different types of cannabis will act as a point of classification of cannabis. This was really used in a very limited way and never for classification. It may show support for why different strains effect different medical conditions, or why certain breeds have certain effects etc...

Sorry if that was a broken link.

Wish everyone a good weekend all the best Shantibaba

**guineapig** · 09-25-2005, 03:45 AM

shanti i agree with your wisdom.....i think that cannabinoid content would be a most useful way to classify cannabis, especially when this magnificent medicine becomes available for medical use.....maybe one cannabinoid profile will be useful for insomnia while another will be useful for pain management......

according to the most recent scientific literature, overall cannabinoid levels are due in large to where geographically the plant was grown.....however, overall cannabinoid ratios, usually the ratio of THC to CBD, are most likely determined genetically......of course more research will be done....

here are some questions i have been thinking about.....

1) do you believe that the names "sativa," "indica," and "ruderalis" are an accurate way of cannabis classification? These names were first introduced by Schultes (et al) and are based on wood anatomy, growth habit, leaf variation and seed type. Are these names are of any use to breeding professionals such as yourself?

2) a very small percentage of worldwide cannabis phenotypes contain small amounts of chemically distinct cannabinoids such as CBGM and THCV. The CBGM variety appears in northeastern asia while the THCV variant is found in african regions such as malawi. Has there been any attempt to isolate these exotic phenotypes in a breeding program that would increase the concentrations these particular cannabinoids?

3? the mitochondrial DNA research that the Australian team performed is very useful in tracing the evolutionary journey that Cannabis has taken in the distant past. With the results of 3 distinct mitochondrial DNA profiles, the researchers theorize that Cannabis was originally cultivated in three distinct, genetically isolated civilizations. Do you have a guess as to the 3 original places where Cannabis was first cultivated?

all the best and kind regards,
your friend guineapig

shantibaba · 09-25-2005, 10:50 PM

As far as it goes GP
you are pretty much up with all the latest research on Cannabis and that is how it stands at this moment...

here are some questions i have been thinking about.....

1) do you believe that the names "sativa," "indica," and "ruderalis" are an accurate way of cannabis classification? These names were first introduced by Schultes (et al) and are based on wood anatomy, growth habit, leaf variation and seed type. Are these names are of any use to breeding professionals such as yourself?

Well these names came from those who first classified the plant so it was a way to begin the classification story ...For me they have always existed so I pretty much got use to them. However if it were possible to start the process of renaming I would still prefer a latin based system but we could probably pick better more hip names.

2) a very small percentage of worldwide cannabis phenotypes contain small amounts of chemically distinct cannabinoids such as CBGM and THCV. The CBGM variety appears in northeastern asia while the THCV variant is found in african regions such as malawi. Has there been any attempt to isolate these exotic phenotypes in a breeding program that would increase the concentrations these particular cannabinoids?

Well good question... in fact the latest co-research with several professional researchers is just takling exactly this point . Of course there are alot of other people doing research into the particular cannabinoid groups you talked about but I think it will take a few years to get to where we would need to be to understand the active ingredients and their effects...

3? the mitochondrial DNA research that the Australian team performed is very useful in tracing the evolutionary journey that Cannabis has taken in the distant past. With the results of 3 distinct mitochondrial DNA profiles, the researchers theorize that Cannabis was originally cultivated in three distinct, genetically isolated civilizations. Do you have a guess as to the 3 original places where Cannabis was first cultivated?

I believe the three areas of origin are Asia(includes Eastern Europe), Africa and Central/Sth america.

all the best
Shantibaba

09-23-2005, 12:00 AM	#1
shantibaba Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 244	Rasta lends it name to a third type of Cannabis... Hi All thanks to a co-researcher in the field of Cannabis I was made aware of this new article. Considering the heritage of the Widow and alot of my personal work in the field of selective breeding, it seems that Sativas will soon be classified differently due to their differing Cannabinoids/Terpines. With over 600 different Cannabinoids that are found on the plant, science has the ability to verify about 30, and technology existing can measure only 2/3 of those. As usual fear and greed caused prohibition on Cannabis before it could be sure of anything except what was visual and that was a bunch of hippies preaching peace and love. But time will reveal the truths that are invisible to the eye...and the reason we are already gathered together in forums such as this one discussing...Cannabis is the future. Hope you realize the implications this article will bring in time...I think it will be GREAT. Happy reading....all the best Shantibaba Rasta lends its name to a third type of cannabis https://www.newscientist.com/article...=mg18725175.200 AS POLICE and dope smokers know, there are two types of cannabis. Cannabis sativa sativa is mainly used to make hemp, while the indica subspecies is prized for its tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content, which produces the "high". But now Australian researchers have discovered a third type of cannabis, called rasta. Simon Gilmore of the Canberra Institute of Technology catagorised 196 sample plants according to the DNA in their mitochondria and chloroplasts. The samples included plants grown for drugs and hemp as well as wild varieties from Europe, Asia, Africa, Mexico and Jamaica. The results showed three distinct "races" of cannabis. In central Asia the THC-rich indica predominated, while in western Europe sativa was more common. In India, south-east Asia, Africa, Mexico and Jamaica the rasta variant predominated. It looks similar to the sativa subspecies, but generally contains higher levels of THC. Since the study was of DNA rather than a formal taxonomic study, Cannabis sativa rasta is not yet an official new subspecies: the name was the result of a competition in Gilmore's lab. Their work is expected to appear in the journal Forensic Science International later this year. From issue 2517 of New Scientist magazine, 20 September 2005, page 12 __________________ ALL THE BEST SHANTIBABA __________________ ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ all the best, Shantibaba
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09-23-2005, 05:05 AM	#3
OG bub ~Cannabis-Resinous~ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: in the woods by the sun Posts: 1,949	High shanti n DG! yeah Im a bit stumped as to the info about this new "rasta" Im catching the vibe that the only difference was a higher content in THC type. (ive got more to read however) I wonder tho, what impacts this would/would not make in observations of cannabis in general. As to name a "new" cannabis, is not within my concept, as Im shure these exact "new" lines have been worked with on different levels over time, and like everything now, hybridized over generations. while preservation could be valuable. I question Any significance of this "new" type.. aside from specifiying regional charachteristics of cannabis types.. Id love to gather more, valid, information. while Ive got some real Indians, and Jamaicans, I do find them quite potent, amongst the best. however, about anything can be bred out/in over time and selection. Peace, n good to see you. OG bub. __________________ Resin Enhancer Founder: HillTempleCollective HTC will focus on Medical Cannabis seed production first, recreational Cannabis seed production afterwards. If the two happen to swim in the same pool, then, beautiful. in theory, there is no difference between practice and theory... In practice, there is.. Tao Te Ching
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09-23-2005, 05:50 PM	#6
shantibaba Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 244	Hi all basically the cannabinoid content of different types of cannabis will act as a point of classification of cannabis. This was really used in a very limited way and never for classification. It may show support for why different strains effect different medical conditions, or why certain breeds have certain effects etc... Sorry if that was a broken link. Wish everyone a good weekend all the best Shantibaba __________________ ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ all the best, Shantibaba
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09-25-2005, 10:50 PM	#8
shantibaba Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 244	As far as it goes GP you are pretty much up with all the latest research on Cannabis and that is how it stands at this moment... here are some questions i have been thinking about..... 1) do you believe that the names "sativa," "indica," and "ruderalis" are an accurate way of cannabis classification? These names were first introduced by Schultes (et al) and are based on wood anatomy, growth habit, leaf variation and seed type. Are these names are of any use to breeding professionals such as yourself? Well these names came from those who first classified the plant so it was a way to begin the classification story ...For me they have always existed so I pretty much got use to them. However if it were possible to start the process of renaming I would still prefer a latin based system but we could probably pick better more hip names. 2) a very small percentage of worldwide cannabis phenotypes contain small amounts of chemically distinct cannabinoids such as CBGM and THCV. The CBGM variety appears in northeastern asia while the THCV variant is found in african regions such as malawi. Has there been any attempt to isolate these exotic phenotypes in a breeding program that would increase the concentrations these particular cannabinoids? Well good question... in fact the latest co-research with several professional researchers is just takling exactly this point . Of course there are alot of other people doing research into the particular cannabinoid groups you talked about but I think it will take a few years to get to where we would need to be to understand the active ingredients and their effects... 3? the mitochondrial DNA research that the Australian team performed is very useful in tracing the evolutionary journey that Cannabis has taken in the distant past. With the results of 3 distinct mitochondrial DNA profiles, the researchers theorize that Cannabis was originally cultivated in three distinct, genetically isolated civilizations. Do you have a guess as to the 3 original places where Cannabis was first cultivated? I believe the three areas of origin are Asia(includes Eastern Europe), Africa and Central/Sth america. all the best Shantibaba __________________ ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ-ψ all the best, Shantibaba
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09-23-2005, 12:30 AM	#2
Dutchgrown ---- Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 0	High Shantibaba...yes, there's been some discussions here about this. A thread in the Breeder's Forum on this, here's a link...some interesting comments in the thread: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=15624 Thanks, dg
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09-23-2005, 05:17 AM	#4
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	OG, I don't think it is a new type of cannabis, just a new way to classify existing varieties based on new genetic information....
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09-25-2005, 03:45 AM	#7
guineapig Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In spite of my rage I am still just a rodent in a cage Posts: 4,601	shanti i agree with your wisdom.....i think that cannabinoid content would be a most useful way to classify cannabis, especially when this magnificent medicine becomes available for medical use.....maybe one cannabinoid profile will be useful for insomnia while another will be useful for pain management...... according to the most recent scientific literature, overall cannabinoid levels are due in large to where geographically the plant was grown.....however, overall cannabinoid ratios, usually the ratio of THC to CBD, are most likely determined genetically......of course more research will be done.... here are some questions i have been thinking about..... 1) do you believe that the names "sativa," "indica," and "ruderalis" are an accurate way of cannabis classification? These names were first introduced by Schultes (et al) and are based on wood anatomy, growth habit, leaf variation and seed type. Are these names are of any use to breeding professionals such as yourself? 2) a very small percentage of worldwide cannabis phenotypes contain small amounts of chemically distinct cannabinoids such as CBGM and THCV. The CBGM variety appears in northeastern asia while the THCV variant is found in african regions such as malawi. Has there been any attempt to isolate these exotic phenotypes in a breeding program that would increase the concentrations these particular cannabinoids? 3? the mitochondrial DNA research that the Australian team performed is very useful in tracing the evolutionary journey that Cannabis has taken in the distant past. With the results of 3 distinct mitochondrial DNA profiles, the researchers theorize that Cannabis was originally cultivated in three distinct, genetically isolated civilizations. Do you have a guess as to the 3 original places where Cannabis was first cultivated? all the best and kind regards, your friend guineapig
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