[I.M. Boggled]

alot of information here, but I think it could be an interesting subject for a thread.
Heres some background information on "U.F.O.'s"...

A UFO or unidentified flying object in the original, literal sense is any airborne object or optical phenomenon, detected visually or by radar, whose nature is not readily known.

Perhaps the best scientifically accepted definition of :
"A UFO is the reported perception of an object or light seen in the sky or upon the land the appearance, trajectory, and general dynamic and luminescent behaviour of which do not suggest a logical, conventional explanation and which is not only mystifying to the original percipients but remains unidentified after close scrutiny of all available evidence by persons who are technically capable of making a common sense identification, if one is possible."


Typical reported characteristics of UFOs

* Saucer, toy-top, or disk-shaped "craft" without visible or audible propulsion. (day and night)

* Rapidly-moving lights or lights with apparent ability to rapidly change direction — the earliest mention of their motion was given as "saucers skipping on water."
Disc-shaped craft are sometimes reported to move in an irregular or "wobbly"manner at low speeds.

* Large triangular "craft" or triangular light pattern

* Cigar-shaped "craft" with lighted windows (Meteor fireballs are sometimes reported this way).

Popular ideas for explaining UFOs

Depending on who is doing the evaluation, between about 3% and 30% of all cases remain unexplained.
The remaining residue of unexplained UFO sightings constitute a debate on their ultimate origin.
Some of the more popular hypotheses for explaining UFOs are:

* The Extraterrestrial Visitation Hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrate...ial_hypothesis

* The Paranormal/Occult Hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranor...ses_about_UFOs

* The Interdimensional Hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdi...nal_hypothesis

* The Psychological-Social Hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosocial_Hypothesis

* The Natural Explanation Hypothesis, e.g. ball lightning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning

* The Earthlights/Tectonic Stress Hypothesis
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* The Man-made Craft Hypothesis (see Military flying saucers)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_flying_saucers
* More than one explanation--various combinations of the above

List of major UFO sightings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._UFO_sightings


The number of different shapes, sizes, and configurations of claimed UFOs has been large, with descriptions of chevrons, equilateral triangles, spheres, domes, diamonds, shapeless black masses, eggs, and cylinders.
Skeptics argue this diversity of shapes, size and configurations points to a socio-psychological explanation.
Other researchers argue that the large diversity of UFO shapes points to a possible paraphysical origin.
Still others argue that there is a large diversity in the shapes and sizes of human flying craft, reflecting different origins, propulsion systems, and purposes, so such diversity in UFOs is not necessarily unexpected or inexplicable.

Another argument is that the true underlying shape may, in some cases, be concealed or distorted by the ionization of air around the objects, believed by some researcher advocates, such as NASA engineers Paul Hill and James McCampbell, to be a characteristic of the propulsion system.
Air ionization could also partly explain the diversity of colors reported, as different air molecules are excited at different energy levels, as well as the electric, neon-like glow around the objects often reported, similar to what happens with polar auroras.
Another view is that the shape may be concealed or distorted by space-time distortions arising from an anti-gravity propulsion system. However, some feel that such speculation is overly premature because the very actuality of UFOs as alien craft is itself problematic.

Evidence and explanations

Some feel that UFO study is still a worthwhile topic because of open questions, especially due to occasional reports of UFOs from professional or military astronomers or pilots - individuals whose careers, and often their very lives, rely on their ability to recognize and assess aircraft, weather conditions, distances, and other factors vital to flight.
Some Ufologists argue such cases are more difficult to dismiss as misidentification of mundane objects. Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell are two NASA astronauts who have expressed an interest in UFOs, and both have decried what they consider the biased attitudes of some professionals; Cooper claims to have seen UFOs in the early 1950s.

It is also noted that UFO evidence goes beyond just eyewitness accounts.
There is sometimes corroborating evidence such as simultaneous radar contact, photographs/movies/video, or physical interactions with the environment, e.g., electromagnetic interference, physiological effects, or "landing traces."

Skeptics and ufologists both agree that the vast majority of cases can be explained as natural phenomena, usually misidentification of objects that viewers are either unfamiliar with or see in unusual conditions. These turn out to be honest mistakes. Only a few percent of sightings have been actual hoaxes.

After investigation, most UFOs actually become IFOs -- Identified Flying Objects. However, a small residual, from 3% to 30% depending on who is doing the counting, remain unexplained.
The 1950s Battelle Memorial Institute statistical study, commissioned by Project Blue Book, found that it was actually the better cases with the better witnesses and evidence that tended to defy explanation.
Their percentage of unexplained cases out of 3200 studied was 22%, which went up to 35% for the best cases.
...

... Physicist Michio Kaku states that although "perhaps 99% of all sightings of UFOs can be dismissed as being caused by familiar phenomena" that "What is disturbing, to a physicist however, is the remaining 1% of these sightings, which are multiple sightings made by multiple methods of observations.
Some of the most intriguing sightings have been made by seasoned pilots and passengers aboard air line flights which have also been tracked by radar and have been videotaped. Sightings like this are harder to dismiss."

On the other hand, many still inexplicable cases are either ignored by the media or, if a purported skeptic offers an explanation that fails to fit the facts (e.g., Zig-zagging formation of lights and confirmed by radar are blamed on misinterpreting 'Jupiter'), it is often taken up by the press and the case is closed, as far as the media is concerned.

It is sometimes said that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", but many pro-research groups only claim that the topic deserves further investigation, not that UFOs are necessarily alien craft.
The threshold of evidence for further investigation is lower than that for a conclusion about the nature of UFOs.

Skeptics say there are indeed genuine sightings of strange flying objects, which are usually logically explained, that no physical evidence of an alien spacecraft has ever been produced, and that many claims have been proven as fraudulent.

They also note that the burden of proof lies with whomever makes a claim....

...Supporters also often argue that the subject is prejudiced by ridicule and stigma, (Kaku agrees with this; in the article cited above he writes that

"There is no funding for anyone seriously looking at unidentified objects in space, and one's reputation may suffer if one pursues an interest in these unorthodox matters"), and that an extremely large body of compelling evidence not as yet disproved or effectively countered also exists, including photography, motion video, and multiple independently corroborated sworn affidavits.

Majestic 12:

Majestic-12 (sometimes written simply as MJ-12 or MJ-XII) is the codename of a secret committee presumed to have been formed in 1947 at the direction of U.S. President Harry S. Truman, in order to investigate UFO activity.
This alleged committee is an important part of the UFO conspiracy theory.

The existence of MJ-12 has been denied by the United States government, which insists that documents suggesting its existence are hoaxed.
The FBI investigated the documents, and concluded they were forgeries. Opinions among UFO researchers and enthusiasts are divided: Some argue the documents may be genuine, others contend they are phony, due primarily to errors in formatting and chronology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12

UFO conspiracy theory:
The UFO conspiracy theory is any one of many conspiracy theories in which it is suggested that major world governments (particularly the United States government) have proof that UFOs are the result of alien visitation, but are suppressing this information either for nefarious purposes and/or out of the belief that mankind is unprepared to deal with the psychological, social, or theological implications of such a reality.

Such theories often incorporate the idea that governments are in fact in communication or cooperation with extraterrestrials. Some of these theories claim that the government is explicitly allowing alien abduction in exchange for technology.

In fact, the United States' government has demonstrated a sometimes keen interest in UFO reports, but has also typically been reluctant to admit this or to discuss their opinions or findings.

Some high-ranking military officials have reported that the military's private views of UFOs were very different from their public statements on the subject: In a signed statement to the United States Congress (also reported in the New York Times), dated February 28, 1960, former CIA Director Vice Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter stated,

"It is time for the truth to be brought out... Behind the scenes high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense.... I urge immediate Congressional action to reduce the dangers from secrecy about unidentified flying objects."

The Brookings Report is a genuine study commissioned by the U.S. government, which suggested that evidence of extraterrestrials might prove disruptive to human society; this study has led to speculation that government agencies might cover up evidence of extraterrestrials, whether on Earth or elsewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_conspiracy_theory

U.F.O. Photos
https://spacejay.com/Evidence/Ufo-Fot...newthread&f=8#
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U.F.O. Videos
https://video.raelian.com/

Black Triangles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_triangles




"Alien Beings?"

Suspecting there was more to the Roswell story, Popular Mechanics undertook its own investigation to learn if anything new had emerged in this 50-year-old techno-mystery. After interviewing witnesses who had seen and handled crash-site debris, and reviewing documents that were still classified when the GAO undertook its investigation, we have concluded that there really was a crashed disc, dead bodies and a secret that could have been politically deadly to presidents Harry S. Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=1&c=y

[Verite]

I got probed once. Does that count?

[I.M. Boggled]

if your not in the states, I guess that technically qualifies

"Do it yourself alien abduction"

Parts needed for "The ultimate do-it-yourself alien abduction kit."

1 High intensity spotlight

1 electronic car killer (can be obtained from a police supply warehouse).

1 Laser Strobe incapacitater (currently being tested for riot control in prisons)

Small supply of hallucinogenic drugs (preferably in gas form)

Alien costumes

gas mask

Any medical equipment you wish to do experiments with.

Locksmith tool for car locks.

Instructions:

Setup your abduction HQ on a road that is rarely used.

Lay out your electronic car killer well in advance of your location (usually around 500 yards).
This will allow the approaching car to quietly glide to a halt without passing you.

Next, blind the driver with your high power spotlight.
After about 10-15 seconds, switch to your incapacitating laser strobe light (this works by causing a small seizure in the brain, turning the victim to a puddle of drooling jello...nifty).

Approach the car (insure you've put on your alien costume and it covers your gas mask) and open the door (always try for older model cars that don't have automatic locks or carry a locksmith tool...no one believes in aliens with slim jims).

Shoot some hallucinogenic gas into the car prior to dragging off your poor, helpless victim.

Perform all medical experiments while victim is still under the effects of the gas.
Always remember to render the victim unconscious prior to returning them to their car.

While the victim is still out, pack up your stuff and high tail it outta there.

After you get good with this kit you can move on to the "House in the woods alien abduction kit."

Upgrades:
1 Helicopter with daylight spot.
1 White noise generator (gets rid of those nasty helicopter sounds).
1 Small panel truck made up to look like the inside of a spacecraft.

It's all so easy and now brought to you cheaply by Abductions Inc.

[Sinfuldreams]

Lots of links I.M.

I get into the UFO stuff
But not sure what it is
Im thinking however, that Steve Jobs has an Alien captured, and is forcing it to reveal the technology they use....... So far, all he has given away is Smaller Hard Drives for Smaller iPods :(

Sin

[bartender187]

the galaxy is too big for there not be life out there.... i mean do you really think we are the only planet at the correct distance from a star to support life?

imho... im sure theres life out there other than on this planet, but i bet there having the same problem as we are in tryn to traverse the great expanse that is space... to travel ANYWHERE far in the galaxy requires technology that beyond our scope of understandin... it has alot to do with time, the 4th dimension, and shit i dont even understand.

just my .02

[Sinfuldreams]

I've seen some strange stuff in the skies...... Sober!
But I can't say they are not from this world.
Some say the Greys are Genitally Engineered for Long Space Travel.
Others say the ONLY way to here from where ever is Via some Time Warp ot Worm Hole, a Demential Deal.
And Some say they are Demons comming for Armageddon.

Sin

[bush@crackhouse]

I'm boggled first of all thanks for creating a discussion thread on this subject that was and still is, brilliantly stigamatized by the media and stills is a doubt for many many people in the world.

To me it sounds kinda obvious, first for looking at the raw evidence and then by watching some non airplane/balloon/satellite/falling star moving things in the night sky myself along other friends, and other situations were friends have see the exact same things.

First you have the evidence from every part of the world - ufo and et pics, videos of ufos, testemonies of sightings abductions or former military generals working in secret projects disclosing the information or former astronauts like Buzz Aldrin wich wrote a book disclosing some stuff he saw up there that was simply censured at the time.

I mean, the evindence are here, the truth is not out there like they want you to believe, the truth is right here next to you, at the reach of a single click.

The common skeptic usually uses the fake/assembled/special fx argument because they truly believe in the shit their fed - "if they can do it in hollywood they can fake this one too.." - and this way they automaticaly lose the capacity to analyse the issue from a neutral position - if you want to be neutral you cant take neither parts, you cannot believe what the media wants you to believe and you cannot believe what the hardcore alien conspirers say (for now).

So what i mean is for example you shouldn't believe in SETI - that's a complete coverup brain laundry organization - "We're sending a message to space and waiting for a reply" - how about using the phone and calling a US sub base?
that would be soo much easier...
[hehe dont take this serious if it disturbs you to much]

Ok, here's my links to the cause, howcome you quote wikkipedia all the time there's more to find on the subject...

This is the best site imo - it's from a guy that has a site with lots and lots of videos that he shot and they usually have very very recent videos.
It was this site that threw me in the well - i thought to myself howcome this guy gets to tape so many things, it's not downloaded from other sites, it's all his at least the major part of them..
So i started to check the sky myself and in next 2 weeks i spent my toking nights looking at the sky with an aching neck and creeped with the results - i along other ppl usually saw 3 sightings per night and one of them would be awesome, from about 9pm till 2am..
Haven't seen one for about a week or so...

www.cnufos.com

This site is very good too
https://www.hbccufo.org



another


If you want to see 2 videos like the pictures above click here, different type of UFO and they're not any type of military or civilian flare..
https://www.hbccufo.org/videos/josh.wmv
crappy nightshot but hold your guts

https://www.cnufos.com/pages/videos/j...enixlights.wmv
or here, now this one is the true shit.. fireworks like a friend of mine said..

[mean mr.mustard]

Mustard says FACT and sticks by his story!

[Sinfuldreams]

BushCrack
Setti is NOT Sending any signals, just looking for them.

The sky is just too damn big.
But NASA has some very very odd Pics and Videos.
I like looking for Buildings on Mars and the Moons of Jupiter
Sin

[bush@crackhouse]

Here's somehting i wrote over at og on the subject and i added more things


The rulers and the owners of the media are more than aware of our visitors, but they just can't unveal a subject that was kept a secret for all this time - us, japan and russia have been developing experiments on this field for more than 50 years.
Ok, so all these years of lies and mis-informating the public cannot end with a snap of fingers, because this would likely cause generalised panic and chaos so the presentation to this issue must be gradual, so that everybody can tide up their little mis-informated heads, even the most brainwashed nationalist rednecks and the most fundamentalist religious..

I say UFOS will start popin on the news on tv breaking the good old ufo-tabuism, and on cinema more and more films will be made around this subject, more and more publicity will use alien themes, books about this will start to become big big sellers - you'll say it's market strategies, i say it goes deeper..

FACT: They are here, they've always been here with us, gods actually came down from the sky on their fire charriots, get it?

Cosmic Guardians
First edition: June 1988
Author: Ernesto Baron

"The cars of God can be seen in thousands of millions"
Salmos chapter. 68 vers.17

"Again i opened my eyes and i saw four cars that flew out from the hills"
Zachary chapter 6, vers. 1

"Three moons appeared at the same time during the consulate(sp) of Gnaeo Domitio and Cayo Fauno."
Plinio, Natural History year 222 BC chapter 32, Book II

"Three suns shined on that night at the same time and several stars flew through the sky surronded by sparks in Lanuvio"
Julio Obsenquens . Prodigiorum, chapter 114 year 85 BC

"During the consulate of Lucio Valerio abd Cayo Mario, a shield of flames surronded by sparks flew across the sky."
Plinio. Natural History year 85 BC, Book II

"In Rome, with the fall of the night, everything was enlightened by such a strong light that the peasants got up in spite the day had already finished"
Julio Obsenquens. Prodigiorum, chapter 130 year 42BC


The influence they've had in our past development as a civilization was 'minimal' but about 50 years ago, in my honest opinion, existing an agreement between humans and aliens or not, we've been able to develop new technologies from ufo wrecks and replicating them like lasers and fiber optics but there are more technologies that weren't showed to the public - like a free & clean energy source that would abolish all wars and would stop filling the already flooded pockets of a few selfish and greedy..

And why didn't this happen?
Because, as you understand all the energy monopoly would have been lost, multimillion world energy business would turn out obsolete in the very same instant!
If everyone had access to safe and free energy then there would be no more reasons to have wars!

The gov opted for keeping it hidden from the public eye, since this would stop at some point both warfare and global energy business!
So i say they are keeping it hidden from us as much as they can, supposely missing the agreement to give the world the peace it deserves by sharing this kind of technology and ending world conflicts once and for all

Check Project Disclosure - the most oficial disclosure organization that gathers retired big chiefs that headed secret operations from FBI NSA the military Army and Navy and NASA - it's mindbending howcome this is all public..

https://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm


PS:If you can't deal with what i've just wrote, don't come back, don't think about it at night, toke a few and laugh on me and wait for it to go on tv, cuz i'm a crazy schizo not to be taken seriously IMHO


~EDIT: UFOS ARE MAN MADE MACHINES, NO ALIEN INTERFERENCE OF WHAT SO EVER, FALSE UFOLOGY IS THE TRUE DECEIVING GOVERNMENTAL AGENDA TO KEEP THE FREE ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES IN WICH HUMAN UFOS ARE BASED ON, WHO EXIST FOR MORE THAN 70 YEARS, HIDDEN FROM US AND KEEP THEIR MONOPOLISING PROFITABLE ACTION