[idiit]

I get what you mean, i also love the spicy incensey sativas but it was not the goal with the golden tiger,

i'm with you on this aspect. there are a lot of threads on different forums hunting the "new grail". you've mentioned that gt makes a great platform to work off of and that was what i'm referring to. i don't want to lose the tropical fruit smell/flavor and dense hard nugget bud formation for the sake of incense taste/aromas.

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tiger have some new price - 25Euro. that is super, its now cheapest of your strains...but ...why?

[idiit]

after searching for a while finally came up with this on meao thai:
posted on mns forum

Originally Posted by dubi
The best non hermie thai i've tried is the meao thai from CBG. It's grows tall and columnar with the typical thai appearance. It also has the classic acrid,lemony and spicy thai aroma and taste, but the resin production, flower/leaf ratio, potency and quality are far superior to others thai i've tried.

^this is the only info on pure meao thai i've found.

"the new grail" hunters are talking a thai/mex/columbian poly sativa hybrid with some nl or s. indian kerala indica influence as a second option as strong contenders.

reeferman did an accidental haze (ah) that is a red point columbian crossed into a red haired mex that he (reef) believes has strong haze undertones. nirrity and pug have posted about the only smoke reports i could find on ah:

PUG
That sandalwood insence smell and flavor sounds exactly like an accidental haze pheno i had but kept the stinkier one, but lost it, lol, it was great smoke and filled the room with insence when lit, i thought the lp was supposed to be lemon pledge though, will the lp2 be similar to accidental haze?

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All of my hazes are great or they get chucked fast as when I wait 13+ weeks it better twinkle my toes and romance my nose (lol) .
The nl5 haze would have been 3/4 haze or nev's haze I worked with that until I obtained the O-haze than I never looked back .
Accidental haze is not really a haze but rather a landrace selection that accidentally showed up with serious haze undertones .
I feel the mexican has serious connections to the early haze .
Reef

ace's malawi is highly regarded by many in the "new grail" hunt.

i happen to have some ah from reef so i just started some ah beans. i think the malawi could possibly be a viable replacement for the indica influence in the "new grail" hunt. ah has small chunky nugs and spicey, earthy, woody aromas per the report. search function temporarily not working or i'd post the report link here.

ah/mt pheno, ah/gt normal pheno could be very interesting crosses somewhat similar to destroyer (different daddy and some malawi influence). edited to add.

after all these years trying to find good od strains for my environment if i could only run 1 strain it would be gt.

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[idiit]

couple of my golden tigers 2012 outdoor grow. 4 ft. tall june 13.

[homebrew420]

Idiit, those look great! So happy in that sun! I Got 11 of 12 the are a month, in 1L pots. So very healthy sun bathing for another week or 2 then inside under 12/12 for there duration. I am real happy thus far, vigorous, bushy and thin leaved. Love em!

Peace

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

yep idiit, you are going to be swimming in huge colas in a couple of months.

[idiit]

Idiit, those look great!

yep idiit, you are going to be swimming in huge colas in a couple of months.

thanks. i've got 2 small gt gardens so even if 1 goes down i got backup. i'll keep posting progress pics.

i'm serious about how much i like this late evening smoke. special thanks to ace and dubi and cannabiogen for lending out meao thai.; quite a breeding accomplishment.

[idiit]

^gt fast girl. garden1.7/12/2012





^gt viney train wreck type stem structure. 5' + bush.garden1. 7/12/2012

i've got 2 gt gardens, 4 females. these are all homemade f2s off gt seed stock from ace dated 12/05/10 on back of seed cover.

i have not taken pics of garden 2 yet. garden 1 is the soil that gave me so much grief last year. i added humus but based on the results in garden 2 i believe i need to bring in even more humus into garden 1. logistically very risky to bring in lots of bulky supplements into any of these gardens.

i'm doing an od metro guerrilla grow. i've lost countless gardens to helicopters; we've got 2 full time heli.'s that are constantly "bass fishing for mj plants". i've also followed the beer cans to several of my od grows over the years (rippers). i try to stay out of my areas unless i need to be in there.

i'm a little dazed and confused over gt1 ( fast girl). she will be finished early august. i suspect random pollen crossed into original gt but early aug. is pretty crazy for gt (even hybrids). the buds look and smell just like pure gts. this plant went thru the summer solstice and did not reveg. it's finishing harder than this pic indicates. i'll definitely take pics at harvest and post smoke reports after curing.

viney girl is pic of gt2. she is a bushy 5'+ girl that showed some degree of weak vine like stem structure in the the first months of grow. the stems are much stronger now. i'm hoping to get a meao thai leaning pheno.

i have clones of all 4 gt 2012 girls. i just took clones of gt fast girl. the other 3 clones have rooted. i'll self the best clones so that when ( not if) i shut down the indoor i'll have the next best thing preserved in seed form. i've seen phenotype variation in selfed seed progeny. i prefer to do lots of fresh hybrids off the original clones but what happens when you gotta shut an indoor garden down? worse thing happens i go back to ace for fresh seed stock.

at garden 2 (no pics yet) my one pheno that really best resembles the original f1s from ace is almost 6' tall and nearly 4.5' wide. very healthy, total bush. the last girl (2) at garden 2 is a very similar looking plant that also might be leaning a little to the meao thai side.

all four gt girls were grown under a 17/7 indoor light photo-period and transplanted od may1. they were all placed 6" deep so the 18" transplants were 12" after tp 5/1/2012. i can carry a gym bag with 5 of these transplants inside in front of lots of people into my gardens without drawing undue attention as long as i limit the number of trips i make and thereby give up a pattern of behavior. the idea of carting in larger transplants is unrealistic and the importance of using fem seed stock is self evident. clones are not an option unless you have a full time year round indoor garden with enough space to run this type of program. clones are also reputed to not be as hardy od as seedlings so i use femmed seeds, started indoors when i chose to. try shutting down a clone only indoor garden and getting started back up again .

down here the best chance for survival from bugs, rabbits, coyotes and racoons (digging up fresh tps) and especially brutal summers is getting a deep well established root ball in before summer starts (june 15 it often gets very hot and dry,no rain with 100% rh humidity).

i've got to grow late flowering, early transplanting hardy varieties. brown bud rot and stem rot have killed many a plant.

the fast gt (gt hybrid?) shows no sign of revegging and no sign of bud rot or pm.

a lot of people are looking for an early flowering very potent auto-flower strain. herijuana and gt are to me two of the most potent and hardy od strains available ( herijuana is a pacific northwest od ibl if i remember correctly). maybe the early gt girl will prompt someone to do some intentional fast golden tigers.

the smoke tests and bud formation on all four gt girls might be of interest to some and i'll post pics and smoke results.

garden 2 has some monsters that will do the genetics pictorial justice.

again these are my f2s and should not be confused with ace's original seed stock.

[dubi]

Great idiit Im glad to hear about the progresses of your own F1 Golden Tigers, there's a fast pheno in the line even in the original F1 generation so i think you can also find it easily (growing less than 10 females) in the F2 generation cos the genetic recombination, we indeed have f2 golden tiger seeds from an earlier (3 weeks earlier) phenos. The earliness of course comes from the malawi early pheno, dominant thai expressions are quite long flowering with thinner stems and more delicate looking. Guess you have a wide expression of the malawi-thai genepool, this is quite normal for a F2 generation.

Wish you the best for your guerrilla gardens, hopefully we can hear about another happy and successful harvest in a few months. Best regards!