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Ganoderma · 12-25-2009, 04:57 PM

If and when you switch your grow/plants over to Organics from Chemical nutes, when do my plants then become Organic, or when I can call them Organic?

So would you have to start off feeding them organics from seed, or would you beable to take cuttings off of a chemical nute feed plant, or what about if I just switched to organics for 12/12?

I just don't much about organic yet.

Citizen024 · 12-27-2009, 11:01 AM

Since its not "certified" organic, its all in how you feel about it.

I use synthetic nutrients in veg, then jump them over and transplant into an organic system for flowering. For the organic "effect" (taste, etc) I would say you need to do it all of flowering. That being said, you need to be sure you have a working effective technique and system for running organic. Most systems that run well with synthetics cannot just be swapped out for organic nutrients and run the same. No sirree.

For example: ebb and flow systems, deep water culture systems, and many hydroponic mediums (grow rocks, and rock wool) do not do organics well. Anything recirculating will be extremely tricky- with the exception of systems that are specifically designed to run organic (Bio Bucket, Bio Bath). These systems require a good understanding of how they work to use effectively. Hydroponic top feed drain to waste with coco can do it, if you know what your doing. Also all organic nutrients lines/raw amendments are different, and you'll need to have a real good grasp of how organic nutrients work (microlife, availability, etc etc etc).

Basically- organics outside of soil are not for the beginner. Even in soil they are trickier then synthetics, but are far easier then organic hydro. Prepare to make mistakes and learn from them if you want to go organic. It is totally doable. I would suggest reading up a lot before you try, get to know the challanges and how the various systems approach them.

Ganoderma · 12-27-2009, 10:19 PM

I wasn't asking about growing info on organics, but you do have valid info there, and I'm by no means a beginner grower. I like to be able to go the route to were it "could" be certified as organic, not just some semi-organic slop.

grapeman · 12-28-2009, 12:28 AM

If it was a food product, the dirt has to be 'certified" organic by either not farming it for 2 years (fallow), or by farming it with only organic practices for 2 years (maybe 3 or 4 years if memory serves).

On this crop, you cannot (should not) use synthetic nutes and or pesticides, switch to organics half way into a grow, and call it organic. To do it proper and "legal", you would need to start all over from clone or seed and grow from start to finish organically to call it Organic.

Between you and the fence post, who will know really?

Citizen024 · 12-28-2009, 10:12 AM

Grapeman is right on it. If you want true 100% organic: no chemicals ever in any way.
If what your interested in is the quality and end result of organic growing methods, then there's room for a lot of flexing. I suppose there is also the added layer of is this just yours or are you care giving that influences things.

If your skilled enough with nutrients and systems you can art fully combine; or be a total purest synthetic/organic and put together a well thought out nutrient profile together and make it work.

Sorry if sounded like I was lecturing you, not my intention at all. A lot of people ou there think they can just switch to organic nutrients and it all runs the same; so I was more in the mind of providing you some information should you be thinking of attempting such a thing. Had your interest at heart, would hate to have not said something and you crash a harvest. Having been around the block a good number of times with crashes, and now having gotten it working I just had to speak up.I am sure you'll pull it all together and rock it out.

12-28-2009, 10:18 PM

I'm with grapeman....there's no certifying agency for cannabis, so who the heck cares besides you. You could "certify" it yourself I suppose. You can view the actual standards through the dept of ag.

Ignore OMRI, they're a joke.

redandblack303 · 12-28-2009, 10:20 PM

Imo I think for it to truly be "organic" it has to be from the beginning.

Citizen024 · 12-29-2009, 08:46 AM

OMRI= the organic mafia. It helps; if a product has it it is an organic product most likely. But not everyone can pay serious $$$ to get the label, so there are numerous products that are organic but aren't OMRI. OMRI makes up some fucktarded rules that keep companies from being able to get certified.

Ganoderma · 12-31-2009, 03:49 AM

thank you all for your input.

I have thought and still think that start to finish is the only was to go.

redandblack303 · 12-31-2009, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ganoderma

thank you all for your input.

I have thought and still think that start to finish is the only was to go.

100% the way to go. It
s all personal preference, for me I enjoy the nice smooth smoke of an organic nug more than a nug grown from chemicals. It's your bud, that your gonna smoke, grow it how you want to grow it. Here's a pic of my Grape Ape at day 44:

12-25-2009, 04:57 PM	#1
Ganoderma Hydronaut Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,377	If switching to Organic Nutes when are plants Organic If and when you switch your grow/plants over to Organics from Chemical nutes, when do my plants then become Organic, or when I can call them Organic? So would you have to start off feeding them organics from seed, or would you beable to take cuttings off of a chemical nute feed plant, or what about if I just switched to organics for 12/12? I just don't much about organic yet.
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12-27-2009, 11:01 AM	#2
Citizen024 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 304	Since its not "certified" organic, its all in how you feel about it. I use synthetic nutrients in veg, then jump them over and transplant into an organic system for flowering. For the organic "effect" (taste, etc) I would say you need to do it all of flowering. That being said, you need to be sure you have a working effective technique and system for running organic. Most systems that run well with synthetics cannot just be swapped out for organic nutrients and run the same. No sirree. For example: ebb and flow systems, deep water culture systems, and many hydroponic mediums (grow rocks, and rock wool) do not do organics well. Anything recirculating will be extremely tricky- with the exception of systems that are specifically designed to run organic (Bio Bucket, Bio Bath). These systems require a good understanding of how they work to use effectively. Hydroponic top feed drain to waste with coco can do it, if you know what your doing. Also all organic nutrients lines/raw amendments are different, and you'll need to have a real good grasp of how organic nutrients work (microlife, availability, etc etc etc). Basically- organics outside of soil are not for the beginner. Even in soil they are trickier then synthetics, but are far easier then organic hydro. Prepare to make mistakes and learn from them if you want to go organic. It is totally doable. I would suggest reading up a lot before you try, get to know the challanges and how the various systems approach them. __________________ Deep Chunk x NorCal Afgoo- Coco w/Pura Vida
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12-28-2009, 10:12 AM	#5
Citizen024 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 304	Grapeman is right on it. If you want true 100% organic: no chemicals ever in any way. If what your interested in is the quality and end result of organic growing methods, then there's room for a lot of flexing. I suppose there is also the added layer of is this just yours or are you care giving that influences things. If your skilled enough with nutrients and systems you can art fully combine; or be a total purest synthetic/organic and put together a well thought out nutrient profile together and make it work. Sorry if sounded like I was lecturing you, not my intention at all. A lot of people ou there think they can just switch to organic nutrients and it all runs the same; so I was more in the mind of providing you some information should you be thinking of attempting such a thing. Had your interest at heart, would hate to have not said something and you crash a harvest. Having been around the block a good number of times with crashes, and now having gotten it working I just had to speak up.I am sure you'll pull it all together and rock it out. __________________ Deep Chunk x NorCal Afgoo- Coco w/Pura Vida
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12-28-2009, 10:20 PM	#7
redandblack303 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver Colorado Posts: 103	Imo I think for it to truly be "organic" it has to be from the beginning. __________________ Peace, Love, Solidarity, RedandBlack Legal Colorado Compassionate Caregiver
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12-29-2009, 08:46 AM	#8
Citizen024 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 304	OMRI= the organic mafia. It helps; if a product has it it is an organic product most likely. But not everyone can pay serious $$$ to get the label, so there are numerous products that are organic but aren't OMRI. OMRI makes up some fucktarded rules that keep companies from being able to get certified. __________________ Deep Chunk x NorCal Afgoo- Coco w/Pura Vida
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12-27-2009, 10:19 PM	#3
Ganoderma Hydronaut Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,377	I wasn't asking about growing info on organics, but you do have valid info there, and I'm by no means a beginner grower. I like to be able to go the route to were it "could" be certified as organic, not just some semi-organic slop.
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12-28-2009, 12:28 AM	#4
grapeman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,198	If it was a food product, the dirt has to be 'certified" organic by either not farming it for 2 years (fallow), or by farming it with only organic practices for 2 years (maybe 3 or 4 years if memory serves). On this crop, you cannot (should not) use synthetic nutes and or pesticides, switch to organics half way into a grow, and call it organic. To do it proper and "legal", you would need to start all over from clone or seed and grow from start to finish organically to call it Organic. Between you and the fence post, who will know really?
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12-28-2009, 10:18 PM	#6
CT Guy Guest Posts: n/a	I'm with grapeman....there's no certifying agency for cannabis, so who the heck cares besides you. You could "certify" it yourself I suppose. You can view the actual standards through the dept of ag. Ignore OMRI, they're a joke.
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12-31-2009, 03:49 AM	#9
Ganoderma Hydronaut Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,377	thank you all for your input. I have thought and still think that start to finish is the only was to go.
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