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08-22-2005, 08:38 PM

www.thc4ms.org are looking for people to sign a petition

Following the arrest of 3 members of THC4MS for conspiring to distribute Canna-Biz chocolate, the court of appeal in London has ruled that there is no longer a defence of necessity or duress of circumstance relating to the use of cannabis for medicinal reasons. We therefore ask that you write to your MP about this matter also send a copy to local press and any other organisation you can think of

TO: Mr. Charles Leyberg, Acting Chief Prosecutor, Kendal Criminal Justice Unit, Kendal Police Station, Kendal, LA9 4RJ.

As a resident of the UK and member of the tax-paying public, I do not feel it to be in the public interest to prosecute suppliers of medical cannabis products to seriously ill people when there are no victims involved, and therefore request that CPS Cumbria immediately halt the prosecution in the case of Lezley Gibson, Mark Gibson and Marcus Davies. August 2005

Please get as many to sign as possible - it is VITAL that we get THOUSAND!

please go HERE and sign the petition

I.M. Boggled · 10-17-2005, 07:17 PM

The Times, 1st August 2005

This morally dubious ban on medicinal cannabis is sentencing patients to a life in agony!
By David Rowan

HOW SHAMEFULLY callous is the Government's policy on medicinal cannabis use? Just ask Pauline Taylor, a former Macmillan nurse who for 20 years has suffered increasingly debilitating pain from multiple sclerosis. Seven months ago the 53-year-old wheelchair user from Durham discovered an unapproved medication which, as she movingly recounts, "has finally given me my legs back". Too bad for Ms Taylor, then, that her agony-deadening "magic medicine" last week became the latest officially sanctioned target in a renewed legal assault on cannabis-based pain relief. After all, as the Home Office coldly points out, the law must be enforced.

A number of volunteer networks dedicated to supplying vulnerable patients with medicinal cannabis have attracted unusually close attention from the police. Most recently, it was the turn of Ms Taylor's suppliers, a five-year-old non-profit group based in Cumbria that enhances home-made chocolate bars with 2 per cent by weight of donated cannabis. Around a hundred "cannachoc" bars have until recently found their way across Britain each week, sent on medical proof that the recipient had MS.

Cumbrian police and the Home Office have known about the operation for years, but only now - 1,600 clients later - have the authorities decided to act. Last week three of those involved were charged with conspiracy to supply a controlled drug, an offence that carries a possible 14-year prison sentence. The timing suggests a pungent whiff of political interference.

Certainly, there remains considerable medical concern about cannabis; pot smoking has been strongly linked with an increased risk of schizophrenia, psychosis, depression and other mental disorders. The British Medical Association insists that raw cannabis is not a "suitable medicinal product", despite the "anecdotal" claims of its efficacy. Unscientific, personal accounts they may be - yet among Britain's estimated 85,000 MS sufferers, many who in desperation have tried cannabis to relieve their symptoms perceive a clear, life-enhancing benefit.

Even the most coldhearted policy-maker would be moved by some of the tearfully grateful letters received by the chocolate supplier, which calls itself Therapeutic Help from Cannabis for Multiple Sclerosis. "Dear whoever," writes an elderly woman in Wokingham. "Thank you so much for my first supply of cannachoc. It is wonderful. For the first time in many, many months I do not have 'jerking' legs in the evenings and can sit still and watch TV."

From Essex, an elderly woman says that she can finally get to sleep again, the physical pain having temporarily subsided, "and I don't feel any high-ness at all". As Ms Taylor sees it, the Home Office bureaucrats whom she suspects of ordering her supply chain broken have clearly never experienced chronic, total body pain. "I'd like Charles Clarke to have my MS for 24 hours and see how he'd feel," she says. "He has no goddam right to tell me what I can put into my body."

The Home Secretary does seem to be on an extraordinarily ill-conceived trip. The new hard line on suppliers of medicinal cannabis echoes a wider unease within government at last year's reclassification of the drug by David Blunkett. Before the general election the Prime Minister suggested that cannabis "isn't quite as harmless as people make out", and Mr Clarke wrote to the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs demanding that it re-examine the reclassification in view of new health concerns. Could this current assault on medicinal use - backed by a recent Court of Appeal ruling that users have no defence of "necessity" in relieving their pain - be a deliberate attempt to distance Mr Clarke from his predecessor's more licentious era, when the spliff became as morally tolerable as the impregnation of another man's wife?

Nothing of the sort, insists the Home Office. Any decision to bring charges is a matter for the Crown Prosecution Service. The CPS, in turn, says it would act only after receiving a file from the police, and that on no account would there be a political decision to prosecute. Because cannabis remains illegal, that decision would rest simply on the quality of evidence and whether it would be "in the public interest".

Forget passing the joint: this is passing the buck until any logic fades into an embarrassing blur. For all the "public interest" in breaking up these altruistic if unauthorised networks, the practical consequence of prosecution will be simply to send the "clients" - typically elderly, middle-class, otherwise law-abiding citizens - to criminal dealers. Or, alternatively, to lead them to suffer in silence until an "official" cannabis-based medicine is approved for use. Based on recent experience, they could be waiting some time.

This has always been the favoured get-out clause, from the Health Department to the Home Office. Because users of raw cannabis risk addiction and chronic health effects, ministers point out, only a properly tested medical preparation can be allowed. All that is needed is the approval of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

So where is the MHRA's approval for the most promising cannabis-based medication under development, a mouth spray extensively tested by the British company GW Pharmaceuticals? In April, Canada gave the spray formal approval. It was expected to gain its UK licence long before now - but, well, the MHRA just needs a few more test results before it can be absolutely certain.

Bureaucracies, by their nature, favour delays over decision-making. People, on the other hand, feel the intense, life-shattering pain of disease very much in the here and now. Those unfortunate enough to have MS - or Aids, arthritis and any other severe condition where cannabis may alleviate symptoms - should surely be allowed to bear the risk of side effects and possible long-term damage in exchange for the pain control that cannabis might bring.

Until a legal medicine is made available, how can it make moral sense for the authorities to target the well-intentioned volunteers offering a short-term alternative?

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CANNABIS AND CHOCOLATE

Marijuana, weed, grass, pot - they're all names for cannabis. For decades people have taken the plant for fun - but sick people are increasingly turning to the drug as a painkiller.

Inside Out investigates the covert networks being set up to supply people with this illicit medicine.

Part one - Mail order cannabis
Part two - Multiple sclerosis patients
Part three - A potted history
Part four - Legal maze

Cannabis is a powerful herb which has been used in pain-relief for centuries. There's just one hitch - it is illegal.

Despite this, people are risking going to jail to send the drug to total strangers who say that they desperately need to use cannabis as a painkiller.

Groups have sprung up in the North East and Cumbria who share one mission - to provide medicinal cannabis, free of charge, to those in urgent need of pain relief.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/extra...cannabis.shtml

Cannabis and chocolate (factoids)

The combination of chocolate and cannabis was first isolated by Israeli bio-chemist Raphael Menchoulam in 1964.

The special effects resulting from the combination of marijuana and chocolate are due to the subtle interplay of anandamide.

Why Cannabis and Chocolate Work So Well Together
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...003#post250003

Harry Gypsna · 10-21-2005, 07:32 PM

I watched the episode of inside out...they were talking t the guy from bud buddies(yes theyre the real deal, and do as soeone I told about them and send away begging coz u want a feee smoke...its for really sick people!)
Its sickening... while i wouldnt say my use is completely medicinakl..ive always loved getting stoned, butit tuely helps me with my deopression and the sometimes crippling anxiety...wiothout the wankyside effects...ll the docs wann do iod giove me anti=psychtics(WTF) and ant depressnats which I cant abide.... It makes me sick not for me, but for people like the elderly women you describesd, and aids/camcer/ms/lupusand other dbilitaingillnesses...all for a few companies to get rich by poisoning us and the planet we live on.

zamalito · 10-14-2006, 11:19 AM

I'm sorry and shamed to see such a degree of hipocrisy on the other side of the pond. For some reason I assumed your population was more aware than ours. I Guess not.

Milly · 11-30-2006, 02:07 AM

Yeah they should compare the side effects of Oxycontin/Cannabis. That would be a great place to start, biggest problem in North America. Seems funny to me that some scientists think they can replicate gods creations or come anywhere near it. Shit alot of strains suck for killing pain so how could anybody take a chemical and compare it to gods natural gifts. There is alot more then THC in buds. Milly BLunt

I.M. Boggled · 12-15-2006, 09:32 PM

Cannabis chocolate trio convicted
Three people have been found guilty of supplying thousands of cannabis-laced chocolate bars to multiple sclerosis sufferers for pain relief.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=14869

01-29-2007, 11:38 PM

They got a 9 month sentence....suspended for 2 years.

https://thc4ms.org/index.php

https://ccguide.org.uk/news/shownewsa...rticleid=12182

DocLeaf · 03-05-2009, 11:50 AM

victory for THC4MS then

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Originally Posted by zamalito

I'm sorry and shamed to see such a degree of hipocrisy on the other side of the pond. For some reason I assumed your population was more aware than ours. I Guess not.

Totally not zam buddy... the UK govenment doesnt even acknowledge the needs of the medi. community in the UK. Thankfully medi activists like THC4MS do plenty good work getting the message across to the general public

Kush_Master · 03-05-2009, 12:11 PM

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The British Medical Association insists that raw cannabis is not a "suitable medicinal product", despite the "anecdotal" claims of its efficacy.

Its shit like this that makes me really fucking mad. What kind of fucking arrogance is it to say "you dont know whats good for you, we have to tell you"???

I mean wtf???

08-22-2005, 08:38 PM	#1
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	THC4MS need our help www.thc4ms.org are looking for people to sign a petition Following the arrest of 3 members of THC4MS for conspiring to distribute Canna-Biz chocolate, the court of appeal in London has ruled that there is no longer a defence of necessity or duress of circumstance relating to the use of cannabis for medicinal reasons. We therefore ask that you write to your MP about this matter also send a copy to local press and any other organisation you can think of TO: Mr. Charles Leyberg, Acting Chief Prosecutor, Kendal Criminal Justice Unit, Kendal Police Station, Kendal, LA9 4RJ. As a resident of the UK and member of the tax-paying public, I do not feel it to be in the public interest to prosecute suppliers of medical cannabis products to seriously ill people when there are no victims involved, and therefore request that CPS Cumbria immediately halt the prosecution in the case of Lezley Gibson, Mark Gibson and Marcus Davies. August 2005 Please get as many to sign as possible - it is VITAL that we get THOUSAND! please go HERE and sign the petition
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10-17-2005, 07:17 PM	#2
I.M. Boggled Certified Bloomin' Idiot Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,741	A strong whiff of hypocrisy. The Times, 1st August 2005 This morally dubious ban on medicinal cannabis is sentencing patients to a life in agony! By David Rowan HOW SHAMEFULLY callous is the Government's policy on medicinal cannabis use? Just ask Pauline Taylor, a former Macmillan nurse who for 20 years has suffered increasingly debilitating pain from multiple sclerosis. Seven months ago the 53-year-old wheelchair user from Durham discovered an unapproved medication which, as she movingly recounts, "has finally given me my legs back". Too bad for Ms Taylor, then, that her agony-deadening "magic medicine" last week became the latest officially sanctioned target in a renewed legal assault on cannabis-based pain relief. After all, as the Home Office coldly points out, the law must be enforced. A number of volunteer networks dedicated to supplying vulnerable patients with medicinal cannabis have attracted unusually close attention from the police. Most recently, it was the turn of Ms Taylor's suppliers, a five-year-old non-profit group based in Cumbria that enhances home-made chocolate bars with 2 per cent by weight of donated cannabis. Around a hundred "cannachoc" bars have until recently found their way across Britain each week, sent on medical proof that the recipient had MS. Cumbrian police and the Home Office have known about the operation for years, but only now - 1,600 clients later - have the authorities decided to act. Last week three of those involved were charged with conspiracy to supply a controlled drug, an offence that carries a possible 14-year prison sentence. The timing suggests a pungent whiff of political interference. Certainly, there remains considerable medical concern about cannabis; pot smoking has been strongly linked with an increased risk of schizophrenia, psychosis, depression and other mental disorders. The British Medical Association insists that raw cannabis is not a "suitable medicinal product", despite the "anecdotal" claims of its efficacy. Unscientific, personal accounts they may be - yet among Britain's estimated 85,000 MS sufferers, many who in desperation have tried cannabis to relieve their symptoms perceive a clear, life-enhancing benefit. Even the most coldhearted policy-maker would be moved by some of the tearfully grateful letters received by the chocolate supplier, which calls itself Therapeutic Help from Cannabis for Multiple Sclerosis. "Dear whoever," writes an elderly woman in Wokingham. "Thank you so much for my first supply of cannachoc. It is wonderful. For the first time in many, many months I do not have 'jerking' legs in the evenings and can sit still and watch TV." From Essex, an elderly woman says that she can finally get to sleep again, the physical pain having temporarily subsided, "and I don't feel any high-ness at all". As Ms Taylor sees it, the Home Office bureaucrats whom she suspects of ordering her supply chain broken have clearly never experienced chronic, total body pain. "I'd like Charles Clarke to have my MS for 24 hours and see how he'd feel," she says. "He has no goddam right to tell me what I can put into my body." The Home Secretary does seem to be on an extraordinarily ill-conceived trip. The new hard line on suppliers of medicinal cannabis echoes a wider unease within government at last year's reclassification of the drug by David Blunkett. Before the general election the Prime Minister suggested that cannabis "isn't quite as harmless as people make out", and Mr Clarke wrote to the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs demanding that it re-examine the reclassification in view of new health concerns. Could this current assault on medicinal use - backed by a recent Court of Appeal ruling that users have no defence of "necessity" in relieving their pain - be a deliberate attempt to distance Mr Clarke from his predecessor's more licentious era, when the spliff became as morally tolerable as the impregnation of another man's wife? Nothing of the sort, insists the Home Office. Any decision to bring charges is a matter for the Crown Prosecution Service. The CPS, in turn, says it would act only after receiving a file from the police, and that on no account would there be a political decision to prosecute. Because cannabis remains illegal, that decision would rest simply on the quality of evidence and whether it would be "in the public interest". Forget passing the joint: this is passing the buck until any logic fades into an embarrassing blur. For all the "public interest" in breaking up these altruistic if unauthorised networks, the practical consequence of prosecution will be simply to send the "clients" - typically elderly, middle-class, otherwise law-abiding citizens - to criminal dealers. Or, alternatively, to lead them to suffer in silence until an "official" cannabis-based medicine is approved for use. Based on recent experience, they could be waiting some time. This has always been the favoured get-out clause, from the Health Department to the Home Office. Because users of raw cannabis risk addiction and chronic health effects, ministers point out, only a properly tested medical preparation can be allowed. All that is needed is the approval of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). So where is the MHRA's approval for the most promising cannabis-based medication under development, a mouth spray extensively tested by the British company GW Pharmaceuticals? In April, Canada gave the spray formal approval. It was expected to gain its UK licence long before now - but, well, the MHRA just needs a few more test results before it can be absolutely certain. Bureaucracies, by their nature, favour delays over decision-making. People, on the other hand, feel the intense, life-shattering pain of disease very much in the here and now. Those unfortunate enough to have MS - or Aids, arthritis and any other severe condition where cannabis may alleviate symptoms - should surely be allowed to bear the risk of side effects and possible long-term damage in exchange for the pain control that cannabis might bring. Until a legal medicine is made available, how can it make moral sense for the authorities to target the well-intentioned volunteers offering a short-term alternative? .............................. .............................. .............................. ............. CANNABIS AND CHOCOLATE Marijuana, weed, grass, pot - they're all names for cannabis. For decades people have taken the plant for fun - but sick people are increasingly turning to the drug as a painkiller. Inside Out investigates the covert networks being set up to supply people with this illicit medicine. Part one - Mail order cannabis Part two - Multiple sclerosis patients Part three - A potted history Part four - Legal maze Cannabis is a powerful herb which has been used in pain-relief for centuries. There's just one hitch - it is illegal. Despite this, people are risking going to jail to send the drug to total strangers who say that they desperately need to use cannabis as a painkiller. Groups have sprung up in the North East and Cumbria who share one mission - to provide medicinal cannabis, free of charge, to those in urgent need of pain relief. https://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/extra...cannabis.shtml Cannabis and chocolate (factoids) The combination of chocolate and cannabis was first isolated by Israeli bio-chemist Raphael Menchoulam in 1964. The special effects resulting from the combination of marijuana and chocolate are due to the subtle interplay of anandamide. Why Cannabis and Chocolate Work So Well Together https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...003#post250003 __________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ICMAG OFFICIAL ~DIY~ LINK-O-RAMA https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40637 A Library of Links https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=97792 How to replicate cannabis plants: ...various successful "cloning"/"cloner" techniques described w/ original posts linked https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169382 A Complete Guide to Topping, Training and Pruning https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=115377 MEDICAL MARIJUANA SCIENTIFIC STUDIES REFERENCE GUIDE~2012~ https://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Gr...istJan2012.pdf Sharing Is Caring. IMB Last edited by I.M. Boggled; 10-17-2005 at 07:41 PM..
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10-21-2005, 07:32 PM	#3
Harry Gypsna Dirty hippy Bastard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Outside BodyShop, with a Tin Whistle and a dog on a piece of string Posts: 8,157	I watched the episode of inside out...they were talking t the guy from bud buddies(yes theyre the real deal, and do as soeone I told about them and send away begging coz u want a feee smoke...its for really sick people!) Its sickening... while i wouldnt say my use is completely medicinakl..ive always loved getting stoned, butit tuely helps me with my deopression and the sometimes crippling anxiety...wiothout the wankyside effects...ll the docs wann do iod giove me anti=psychtics(WTF) and ant depressnats which I cant abide.... It makes me sick not for me, but for people like the elderly women you describesd, and aids/camcer/ms/lupusand other dbilitaingillnesses...all for a few companies to get rich by poisoning us and the planet we live on. __________________ Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and none of these people are very funny.
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12-15-2006, 09:32 PM	#6
I.M. Boggled Certified Bloomin' Idiot Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,741	Cannabis chocolate trio convicted Three people have been found guilty of supplying thousands of cannabis-laced chocolate bars to multiple sclerosis sufferers for pain relief. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=14869 __________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ICMAG OFFICIAL ~DIY~ LINK-O-RAMA https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40637 A Library of Links https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=97792 How to replicate cannabis plants: ...various successful "cloning"/"cloner" techniques described w/ original posts linked https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=169382 A Complete Guide to Topping, Training and Pruning https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=115377 MEDICAL MARIJUANA SCIENTIFIC STUDIES REFERENCE GUIDE~2012~ https://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Gr...istJan2012.pdf Sharing Is Caring. IMB
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10-14-2006, 11:19 AM	#4
zamalito Guest Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Above the clouds Posts: 1,516	I'm sorry and shamed to see such a degree of hipocrisy on the other side of the pond. For some reason I assumed your population was more aware than ours. I Guess not.
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11-30-2006, 02:07 AM	#5
Milly Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 103	Yeah they should compare the side effects of Oxycontin/Cannabis. That would be a great place to start, biggest problem in North America. Seems funny to me that some scientists think they can replicate gods creations or come anywhere near it. Shit alot of strains suck for killing pain so how could anybody take a chemical and compare it to gods natural gifts. There is alot more then THC in buds. Milly BLunt
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01-29-2007, 11:38 PM	#7
longshot Guest Posts: n/a	They got a 9 month sentence....suspended for 2 years. https://thc4ms.org/index.php https://ccguide.org.uk/news/shownewsa...rticleid=12182
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