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BOZWELL · 08-11-2005, 08:58 PM

I keep having a argument with some of the guys ant my gym ,they know Im a stoner and they keep saying youll never get big if you keep smoking that shit they say theve seen studys
dose such a study exist ,if so could some one point it out to me
btw I ant stoping toking ,just want to know if there full of sh!t
cheers

learnin2grow · 08-11-2005, 11:28 PM

Ever watch pumping iron? Awesome movie... hilarious and quite insightful. Docu-drama movie about the events leading up to the 1975 ( may be a year off here) Mr. Olympia. The movie documents Arnold Schwarzenegger's preparation for the event (also documents Lou Ferrigno-- his father is hilarious). Anyways you should definitely rent it... at the end of the movie Arnold tokes a spliffy while he eats fried chicken and wishes Louie Ferrigno happy birthday. So Arnold was known to toke. Arnold is regarded by all bodybuilders as THE bodybuilding authority... at least in the era of the classic physique. If it's good enough for Arnold's physique, it's good enough for yours right?

KillBillbuds · 08-12-2005, 12:04 AM

The guys at the gym are full of shit. It's not gonna get you big or small. Extra calories, good diet, and training your ass off is the only way to get bigger. Even then, you're limited to what your body type can handle, unless you juice. And I'm not recommending that!

08-12-2005, 12:15 AM

Full a shit is right!!My little bro and his crew do "nothing" all day but lift and smoke,there all built like fucking rock heads,full pipes and all.so the weed dont hurt ya,you could say it builds muscle!!

08-12-2005, 12:17 AM

i also think the guys at the gym are wrong, for me personally after taken all the suppliments before and after a workout. i find it hard to take in the extra protein needed to grow, plus the easy protein i.e chicken, tuna, turkey just get old smoke a dube not so old and the fact that it helps you to just relax afterwards aswell after the suppliments (i feel a little cracked out from them) anyway just my 2 cents

BOZWELL · 08-12-2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by learnin2grow

Ever watch pumping iron? Awesome movie... hilarious and quite insightful. Docu-drama movie about the events leading up to the 1975 ( may be a year off here) Mr. Olympia. The movie documents Arnold Schwarzenegger's preparation for the event (also documents Lou Ferrigno-- his father is hilarious). Anyways you should definitely rent it... at the end of the movie Arnold tokes a spliffy while he eats fried chicken and wishes Louie Ferrigno happy birthday. So Arnold was known to toke. Arnold is regarded by all bodybuilders as THE bodybuilding authority... at least in the era of the classic physique. If it's good enough for Arnold's physique, it's good enough for yours right?

That is true but arnold took roids also, I dont

BOZWELL · 08-12-2005, 02:41 PM

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Full a shit is right!!My little bro and his crew do "nothing" all day but lift and smoke,there all built like fucking rock heads,full pipes and all.so the weed dont hurt ya,you could say it builds muscle!!

Im 190lbs @8%bf 5'.11'' with a 130kg bench press
so you could be right
Its just something that Id like to get to the bottom of
cheers

junit · 08-12-2005, 03:54 PM

Those guys are Stupid.... One thing at a Gym... Everyone is willing to tell you what to do.... and most of them look like shit as far as body goes....?... I was two months away from competeting in a compitition (then i met a girl) But i smoked just like I do now.... any chance I get. Now im not Scientist but i was always tought that It Serves the Purpose of Relaxing your muscles after a heavy workout... I knew Bodybuilders /smokers that smoked Exclusively after they pumped... It was like a protein drink.(Post workout Ritual) plus its a great alternative if you like to get fucked up... Anyone who works out knows how brutal Alcohol is on your body let alone muscle Structure. Like Ciggerettes... Marijauana Is negative in this situation just like in every other situation. The Fact your smoking it is the main concern(just like cigs)... And you can get Huge smoking ciggerettes. Get a Vap and you should have Absolutely NO problems....or Keep smoking, and stay away from the Tredmill

And is arnold Offically the first Govnor that we actually have on tape INHALING Mary Jane Smoke and is still in office..... Thats pretty amazing, Considering that most politics think if you smoke pot once, your stupid forever.

learnin2grow · 08-12-2005, 05:41 PM

Boz- The only scientifically based argument against smoking weed that I have heard and agree with somewhat is this one (and since arnold broke this rule, at least one documented time... I'm still not too sure on it). Bodybuilders who are on steroids have excessive amounts of synthetic sex hormones in their bodies. There are arguments that components in marijuana smoke influence those would be testosterone precursors to "aromatize" and become estrogenic. This would not only "waste" any steroids the bodybuilder was using, but increase the likelihood of gynecomastia, or "bitch tits".

So as you mentioned earlier... you're not a juice head, you'd just like to add solid muscle slowly and improve your health in the gym. Weed will not hinder that, but the shit talking juice heads at the gym may wish to avoid the whacky tobacky whilst they're on a cycle of the sauce.

Professional bodybuilding imho is a very unhealthy lifestyle. Nothing wrong with lifting weights sensibly... I do that; but lifting excessive amounts of weights is hard on your entire system. The modern Mr. Olympia contestants are at serious risk for heart failure due to the amounts of weights they lift (coupled with obscene amounts of steroids of course). A bodybuilder bad-mouthing weed is about like an alcoholic or crack-head bad mouthing weed-- quite funny since we all know there is no significant severe health risk associated with getting a bit lifted now and again, but just a few months ago a reigning master's olympia champion died at 40 something... sad sad sad.

BOZWELL · 08-15-2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by learnin2grow

Boz- The only scientifically based argument against smoking weed that I have heard and agree with somewhat is this one (and since arnold broke this rule, at least one documented time... I'm still not too sure on it). Bodybuilders who are on steroids have excessive amounts of synthetic sex hormones in their bodies. There are arguments that components in marijuana smoke influence those would be testosterone precursors to "aromatize" and become estrogenic. This would not only "waste" any steroids the bodybuilder was using, but increase the likelihood of gynecomastia, or "bitch tits".

So as you mentioned earlier... you're not a juice head, you'd just like to add solid muscle slowly and improve your health in the gym. Weed will not hinder that, but the shit talking juice heads at the gym may wish to avoid the whacky tobacky whilst they're on a cycle of the sauce.

Professional bodybuilding imho is a very unhealthy lifestyle. Nothing wrong with lifting weights sensibly... I do that; but lifting excessive amounts of weights is hard on your entire system. The modern Mr. Olympia contestants are at serious risk for heart failure due to the amounts of weights they lift (coupled with obscene amounts of steroids of course). A bodybuilder bad-mouthing weed is about like an alcoholic or crack-head bad mouthing weed-- quite funny since we all know there is no significant severe health risk associated with getting a bit lifted now and again, but just a few months ago a reigning master's olympia champion died at 40 something... sad sad sad.

Very true,no one dies from weed at 40
I studied steriods to a great degree and thought about using for a while the more I learnt the more I wanted to try them but I am only 24 and still have youth on my side and make good gains in streanth and can out lift some of the bigger guys at the gym ,when I get to 30 and start to feel the age setting in I might try a little ,but untill then Ill stick with creatine and good food

08-11-2005, 08:58 PM	#1
BOZWELL Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: at the gym on the squat rack Posts: 921	Cannabis and muscle development(sp?) I keep having a argument with some of the guys ant my gym ,they know Im a stoner and they keep saying youll never get big if you keep smoking that shit they say theve seen studys dose such a study exist ,if so could some one point it out to me btw I ant stoping toking ,just want to know if there full of sh!t cheers Last edited by BOZWELL; 08-11-2005 at 08:59 PM.. Reason: dizzy
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08-12-2005, 03:54 PM	#8
junit The Lizard King Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 212	Those guys are Stupid.... One thing at a Gym... Everyone is willing to tell you what to do.... and most of them look like shit as far as body goes....?... I was two months away from competeting in a compitition (then i met a girl) But i smoked just like I do now.... any chance I get. Now im not Scientist but i was always tought that It Serves the Purpose of Relaxing your muscles after a heavy workout... I knew Bodybuilders /smokers that smoked Exclusively after they pumped... It was like a protein drink.(Post workout Ritual) plus its a great alternative if you like to get fucked up... Anyone who works out knows how brutal Alcohol is on your body let alone muscle Structure. Like Ciggerettes... Marijauana Is negative in this situation just like in every other situation. The Fact your smoking it is the main concern(just like cigs)... And you can get Huge smoking ciggerettes. Get a Vap and you should have Absolutely NO problems....or Keep smoking, and stay away from the Tredmill And is arnold Offically the first Govnor that we actually have on tape INHALING Mary Jane Smoke and is still in office..... Thats pretty amazing, Considering that most politics think if you smoke pot once, your stupid forever. __________________ I like you!.... When the World is mine... your Death shall be quick and Painless. The arbitrary criminalization of tens of millions of Americans who consume marijuana results in a large-scale lack of respect for the law and the entire criminal justice system.
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08-11-2005, 11:28 PM	#2
learnin2grow Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 45	Ever watch pumping iron? Awesome movie... hilarious and quite insightful. Docu-drama movie about the events leading up to the 1975 ( may be a year off here) Mr. Olympia. The movie documents Arnold Schwarzenegger's preparation for the event (also documents Lou Ferrigno-- his father is hilarious). Anyways you should definitely rent it... at the end of the movie Arnold tokes a spliffy while he eats fried chicken and wishes Louie Ferrigno happy birthday. So Arnold was known to toke. Arnold is regarded by all bodybuilders as THE bodybuilding authority... at least in the era of the classic physique. If it's good enough for Arnold's physique, it's good enough for yours right?
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08-12-2005, 12:04 AM	#3
KillBillbuds Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rising from the Ashes Posts: 685	The guys at the gym are full of shit. It's not gonna get you big or small. Extra calories, good diet, and training your ass off is the only way to get bigger. Even then, you're limited to what your body type can handle, unless you juice. And I'm not recommending that!
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08-12-2005, 12:15 AM	#4
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	Full a shit is right!!My little bro and his crew do "nothing" all day but lift and smoke,there all built like fucking rock heads,full pipes and all.so the weed dont hurt ya,you could say it builds muscle!!
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08-12-2005, 12:17 AM	#5
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	i also think the guys at the gym are wrong, for me personally after taken all the suppliments before and after a workout. i find it hard to take in the extra protein needed to grow, plus the easy protein i.e chicken, tuna, turkey just get old smoke a dube not so old and the fact that it helps you to just relax afterwards aswell after the suppliments (i feel a little cracked out from them) anyway just my 2 cents
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08-12-2005, 05:41 PM	#9
learnin2grow Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 45	Boz- The only scientifically based argument against smoking weed that I have heard and agree with somewhat is this one (and since arnold broke this rule, at least one documented time... I'm still not too sure on it). Bodybuilders who are on steroids have excessive amounts of synthetic sex hormones in their bodies. There are arguments that components in marijuana smoke influence those would be testosterone precursors to "aromatize" and become estrogenic. This would not only "waste" any steroids the bodybuilder was using, but increase the likelihood of gynecomastia, or "bitch tits". So as you mentioned earlier... you're not a juice head, you'd just like to add solid muscle slowly and improve your health in the gym. Weed will not hinder that, but the shit talking juice heads at the gym may wish to avoid the whacky tobacky whilst they're on a cycle of the sauce. Professional bodybuilding imho is a very unhealthy lifestyle. Nothing wrong with lifting weights sensibly... I do that; but lifting excessive amounts of weights is hard on your entire system. The modern Mr. Olympia contestants are at serious risk for heart failure due to the amounts of weights they lift (coupled with obscene amounts of steroids of course). A bodybuilder bad-mouthing weed is about like an alcoholic or crack-head bad mouthing weed-- quite funny since we all know there is no significant severe health risk associated with getting a bit lifted now and again, but just a few months ago a reigning master's olympia champion died at 40 something... sad sad sad.
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