Hey Ya'll been reading too and wanted to say that I also had hubby take a look at this thread and we are thinking about solutions for you as well budhownd. Pleased that you are feeling better Indi :smile: and I think you are very right about the cool tube, would be well worth it... I do have a Q though...

I'd rather not involve her in the contruction of tha lil amazon's playroom.

Does she KNOW at all about this? You're not gonna get the law called on ya or nothing if she finds it, right?
Hubby has seen where you can take a regular fan and modify it to a water-cooled-fan and that may be something that could get you through in a pinch, so let me get him to post that for you as a possibility! Like Indigo said, We'll figure something out
Take Care and Have a Great Weekend Folks!

[budhownd]

Good Mawnin to you fine folks hea on IC Mag.

Ms. G, great to hear from you again. Thanks for stoppin by.

Indigo, I'm glad yer back to feelin fine.


Lemme give a brief report on tha lil amazons real quick.

Tha lil sick one is bouncing back slowly but surely. The new growth that she's puttin out on top are a more normal looking green. I'm thinkin it may have been a hot spot, like you said Indi, cuz she didn't get any more food than any of the other plants. I don't think she'd really bounced back from being so rootbound,before I gave her tha first feeding after the 10 day wait. I'm keepin my eye on her.

The pre flowers... hmmm. I was on OG and read a post by a dude where he mentioned a "ball on a stick". Well, I've got the ball on a stick on one plant. It's tha smallest one of the 6. It started out last weekend as a lil nub kinda thing and now looks like a lil golf ball sittin on a tee. I've found at least one "ball on a tee" on every set of branches from the fourth set of branches from the bottom all tha way up. Unfortunately, I think the funny looking plant with the widest fattest fan leaves ( tha one Indi said was prolly a heavier indica pheno) has the same lil nubs. I gather from the responses to tha guy's post, that these indicate a male plant.
It won't hurt for me to leave them in there for now will it? I'd rather wait til I see ball clusters or nanners or whatever grows in tha lil ball's place for myself before I kill it. 1.Just so I can see what a kinda mature male flower looks like and 2. Cuz I've read that newbies sometimes pull what they think is a male too fast then find out too late it may not have been male in tha first place. That would suck in tha case of tha funny leafed plant. I'm hopin iz not a boy, but tha lil ball is starting to take shape on top of a tiny stick.

NOW, with that said, let me mention that the two biggest, healthiest, robustest, plants have what I can only describe as... well, they look mostly like soft thorns. They used to be a kinda teardrop shaped. A lil flare at tha base and coming to a point at tha tip, but now they have grown out more and look like lil thorns. Like lil green soft thorns that point straight out from the base of tha node.
That's how I knew they aren't lil fangs cuz tha fangs grow up, these grow straight out and if I look real real close it looks as tho tha tips are about separate and curl down eventually. From tha pics I've been looking at for tha past two weeks, they kinda look like female preflowers. The shape is the same. The position of the lil growth on the plant is the same. The only thing missing are the lil white hairs that are supposed to grow out of the top of tha lil "thorn".
Tha lil sick one hasn't shown me anything yet and there's another smaller one, whoz actually growing pretty well, just kinda quietly doin it's thing in tha back corner. It hasn't shown anything, preflower wise, either.

So, I guess I gotta wait to see. The biggest was 22 inches last nite, the second biggest was 19. I'm sure they'll jump another half inch or so by the time I measure them again tonight.


I looked at tha Vaportek link and found it interesting. I like the idea of somethng I can just plug and go with. But, let me say this, and it kinda answers Ms. G's question too.
The odor from the plants can only be smelled if I have the door open, other wise I caint smell a thing. Walking around outside the closet door I can't smell anything, but I can see the light on inside the closet. That concerns me more at this point. Now, I'm not saying I don't need to worry about odor, cuz I don't know what these chicks will do in flower, but I honestly think I can cover it with something like a glade plug in or an airwick thing that sends a lil spray into the air every 15 minutes or so.

My housemate knows I toke. Infact, she told me that she and her gf, who used to live here with her, b 4 they broke up and I moved in, used to smoke on tha now and then AND they even tried their hand at growin. You can imagine tha look on my face. She's tellin me this while I got six seedlings under lites a mere floor below us. LoL.
Instinct told me to keep my mouf shut bout MY grow, so I just nodded and listened. Hell, she went so far as to let me know that she enjoys tha aroma of MJ burnin. I tol her... so do I. LoL. Funny shit is, her ex and I are now tokin buddies. lmao.

Damn, I went off on a tangent.. an I aint even high yet. So, no Ms. G, I don't THINK I'll get into any major kinda trubble if she finds out about this grow. However, if I can avoid her finding out about it, I'd rather have it that way.

I don't mind making modifications to tha closet as long as I don't have to make holes. I can't anyway, I looked really good at tha walls and they are cinder block, brick, and mortar. I couldn't drill thru em if I wanted to. The drills in my arsenal wouldn't even make a dent in that stuff.

There is glass in the hood of my light and it also has a hole on the top of it (picture a short smoke stack) where it looks like I could attatch a bit of tubing like tha kind that runs in tha back of a dryer that exhausts to tha outside of tha house. I assume the manufacturer made it like this so that it can be cooled if the user attatched tha tubing an hooked it up to an exhaust fan. I can get tha tubing and attatch it but, I don't have anyplace for the exhaust to go outside tha room. Not without breaching the door and letting tha wyrld know about my grow. And like ya said, Indigo, noise is a concern.

There is an ac vent right outside tha door. I'm thinkin bout taking tha plate off and seeing whatz what up there. If I can run something toward or into that closet it would take care of tha heat prollem, I'm sure. I just caint figger this venting/exhaust thing out. Especially when I cain't make holes in tha walls to let the old air out. GRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Ms. G, all ideas, criticisms, advice, etc. are welcome here. If yer hubby has a thot or two or however many, tell him to post away til his heart is content. I dont care how far fetched it may seem. If it means me not having to make holes and give my grow away, I'm all ears to all suggestions.

I'm sure a separate grow cab is ideal and it would make things SO much easier, but I don't have the room for it here and it would raise even more questions. There isn't anyplace down here I could hide a cab I built myself. :( That's why I chose the closet. It's outta tha way and nobody would have any reason to go back to that part of tha house... unless they were snoopin around.
Which leads me to my housemate's new gf.. She's one of those types that actually bleeve's that MJ is a drug. An honest to goodness addictive, overdose causing, killer drug. Lawd. Cool person, but, way misinformed.
So, if there was any static wit my housemate bout my grow it would be caused by her. So, I'm tryin to keep it under everyone's radar, but HERS especially.

HAY!! Eairlier this week, I came home right and there are firemen outside (no cops, thanks tha Goddess). Seems as tho the electrical box caught on fire (it needed replacing before I even moved in, landlord didn't get around to it) and I was told that they had to come downstairs and feel tha walls around the circuit breaker box. Five more feet further down tha hall and they would have found a nice surprise behind tha closed closet door. *whew* Indigo, your advice on odor control is being taken seriously, I'm going today to get some odor neutralizing stuff.

Um, what's an air cooled hood? What's a landrace strain an whyz it different from other strains? Just a couple of ?'s that I had pop in my hed yestiddy.

Well, gang, I'm off to mooch some lunch from my parents (those of you with grown children who have moved out, but still eat at home, know tha drill).
I don't really think it's a bad thing, especially since 1. my dad still buys food & cooks like my brother and I still live there and we are still growing kids and 2. my mom does nuffin to stop him.
I guess to them we always will be. lmao.

To any and all who may have family, friends, significant others, or anyone close to them, living in the hell hole that is now the gulf coast, I pray for you and them. I didn't realize until Friday just how bad things were down there.
I'm griping about heat in my closet and folks down there don't even have a roof overhead or food or water or ..... anything.
Sure makes ya think bout shit, huh? I swear I aint been this choked up watching television since 9/11.

thanks for all tha help and advice

peace and K++++ to all of yall

Buddy

Evenin' Bud! :smile:

Tha lil sick one is bouncing back slowly but surely. The new growth that she's puttin out on top are a more normal looking green.

Great to hear that, just let her recover before trying to feed her again, and believe me, she won't suffer lack of nutes for now, she's needing to get rid of the excess she has stored :wink: I'm sure she'll be fine.

It won't hurt for me to leave them in there for now will it? I'd rather wait til I see ball clusters or nanners or whatever grows in tha lil ball's place for myself before I kill it.

You can leave those in your grow until you flip 12/12 and find out for sure whether they're male or female. Believe me, sometimes its hard as hell to tell males from females based just on the preflowers....especially the males. When you flip to 12/12 for flower, any males will start putting out multiple balls in clusters at the nodes after about a week, and they'll be really easy to pick out.

they look mostly like soft thorns. They used to be a kinda teardrop shaped. A lil flare at tha base and coming to a point at tha tip, but now they have grown out more and look like lil thorns. Like lil green soft thorns that point straight out from the base of tha node.

From the way you describe them, seems like ya got yourself a couple of ladies! . Don't be doin' the jig until they spit out the hairs (they take a little while and if you have a magnifying glass, take a look with that)...when the pistils form, they're hair thin and tiny, then in a couple of days they become visible with the naked eye. The sickly one is using her energy to get back into shape, and not wasting it in making preflowers...she'll show when she's ready . The smaller one might just be a slow starter, the longer she takes, more chances that its a female, so don't sweat it, she'll show too .

You can flip 12/12 at any time you like at this point, your plants will stretch like crazy the first 3 weeks or so, keep a close eye on the distance from the light, and raise it an inch or so every evening before lights out unless you can check them in the morning as soon as the light comes on. IMO you might want to wait a few more days for the overferted plant to recover some before flipping the lights :wink:

As far as odor goes...the Vaportek IMO is an excellent investment. I'm getting ready to buy one myself.

I honestly think I can cover it with something like a glade plug in or an airwick thing that sends a lil spray into the air every 15 minutes or so.

You are the best judge of that Bud. We can only point you in the right direction when you do feel you'll need to do something serious about odor control. My last grow my plants hardly smelled at all, except for at end of flower, and even then, it was manageable. The ONA gel is really good though, do give it a whirl! Natural Breeze is a brand name for you. They're better than the Glade thingies 'cause the Glade masks odors, while the ONA gels neutralize them.

Instinct told me to keep my mouf shut bout MY grow, so I just nodded and listened. Hell, she went so far as to let me know that she enjoys tha aroma of MJ burnin

Always follow your instinct when growing....listen to your gut. Nine times outta ten its right :wink:

There is glass in the hood of my light and it also has a hole on the top of it (picture a short smoke stack) where it looks like I could attatch a bit of tubing like tha kind that runs in tha back of a dryer that exhausts to tha outside of tha house. I assume the manufacturer made it like this so that it can be cooled if the user attatched tha tubing an hooked it up to an exhaust fan.

That's exactly what its for Bud! Same principle as the cool tube.

There is an ac vent right outside tha door. I'm thinkin bout taking tha plate off and seeing whatz what up there. If I can run something toward or into that closet it would take care of tha heat prollem, I'm sure. I just caint figger this venting/exhaust thing out. Especially when I cain't make holes in tha walls to let the old air out. GRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Since holes are not an option, I'm gonna pass the buck to H3ad here (Ms. G.'s hubby). I'm sure he'll be able to give you some ideas to help you out.

Um, what's an air cooled hood?

Its what you got girl! But it ain't aircooled until you hook it up to a blower :wink: That's what the hole is for...as I quoted you above, a tube attaches to that hole on one side, and the other side of the tube to the blower which sucks the hot air produced by the lamp and vents it outside the cab.

What's a landrace strain an whyz it different from other strains?

"Landrace" is a term used to classify a strain indigenous to a certain area or region which originated in that region and is unadulterated, meaning it hasn't been hybridized or worked by man. Its a pure strain usually with ancient origins. I think that explains both questions. You go on and ask...its the best way to learn, and we're here to answer :smile:

Katrina is an enormous tragedy, and my prayers go out to all who had the misfortune of being caught up in the fury of that hurricane. There are 22 benefit acutions on Seedbay right now with proceeds going to the victims, in case anyone stopping by here wishes to contribute in some way.

Have a nice evening Bud! I'm sure H3ad will be by here soon to help out with the venting/cooling issues It was their 10 year anniversary this weekend and they have better things to do right now

This may or may not fit into your scheme, but here is an icewater cooled fan idea (modified from an idea I read on the net somewhere once). It will require some sort of reservoir(large ice chest preferred), a submersible fountian pump, some 3/8" clear rubber tubing, a few feet(5 or 6) of flexible copper tubing 1/4" dia., some small hose clamps, some bread ties, and a fan... Basically, the flex copper is attached to the fan's grill in a spiral with enough space between loops for the air to flow through unimpeded, the 3/8" tubing connects the pump to the coil(copper spiral), and the other end of the coil drains back to the res through more 3/8 tubing... fill the chest with ice water, turn on the fan, and start pumping the icewater through the coil... remove water, and add ice as necessary to maintain a pumpable water level at an icy temperature...

I hope this is understandable and helps...

H3ad

yea girl I had him post it but I am not so sure if it'll be practical in your situation... but would help in a pinch on really hot days, which hopefully will be behind us soon and you will be able to prepare for the next grow...

I honestly think I can cover it with something like a glade plug in or an airwick thing that sends a lil spray into the air every 15 minutes or so.

yeah, depending on the strain it can be containable during growth, but what I have found that for a few days when you harvest and hang your plants the aroma really is VERY destinct all through the house, so be thinking about where you're gonna hang these ladies once they are all done....

Take Care

[budhownd]

Thanks for the idea Mr. G.

Um .... I get how ice in tha chest can cool tha closet down a bit but, as far as the tubing and a pump and clamps an stuff, that sounds like a job for the Extreme Home Makeover Team.
I'm sure it's simpler than it sounds, but I think I may need an illustration or two to see how it all comes togeva. I guess a fan blowing over a lil igloo cooler full of ice wouldn't do anything, huh? Maybe I need to measure that space again. I used an online calculator and it gave me 12 sq ft.

Mkay I got 45.5 inches wide (3ft 9in) W. 37 inches deep
(3ft 1in.) L. (That's just a half inch in from being even with tha door jamb). And 86 inches high(7ft. 2inches) H. From the ceiling of tha closet to the floor. 4inW x 3inL x 7inH =84 in L(4)xW(3)= 12.
Um, I think this is correct for finding the area or square footage of a space, rite? If not lemme know, cuz ,well.. tha math an all...

* Note: the lights are actually 53 (4.5ft)in from the floor. I'm guessing this doesn't really matter tho cuz I think I'm gonna hafta move the lights further up before this grow is over. Ya think?


OMG!! Ms. G!! I was gonna post something about trying to figger out where tha hell I'm gonna put the plants right after I chop them. But I thot, it was silly to be worried about something like that so early on.
So, my assumption was correct, they can be smelly girls even after they come out of the growroom. Can smell up tha whole house, huh? hmm.....
The way my plants are smelling now ,in veg., I figgered the worst of it would come, if at all, during flower. I was wondering if the smell would be as strong during the drying process as well.

By tha way, I happened to rub my fingers against the main stalk of my lil sick plant and when I put my fingers to my nose there was a strong, distinct lemon-pine scent. The fainter it got the more the lemon faded and the pine lingered, almost like a faint piney disinfectant.
Being a schwag smoker (fer now) I dont come across weed that smells like fruit or pine or candy or.... anything really (unless I'm reading about it in a smoke report). It just smells like average, not very good weed.
It was a lil eerie, but WAY cool, to unexpectedly experience something that, up until this point, I've only read about.

Alrighty then, I'm done yappin an holdin ya'll fine folks up. Ya'll have a great day and thanks again for all the help.
Oh! Happy Tenth Anniversary to you, Mr. and Ms. G. I hope ya'll have many, many more.

peace

Bud

yea, I figured that may be a little too McGyver for what you got going on here... but I did find where Secret Garden just got a cool tube and is asking advice on how to wire it... so maybe you could watch and see if it's something you want to invest in... here ya go The link

and yea, in my humble opinion and experience, You smell them the worst throughout the house when they are hanging so your instincts are on target there as well...

Take Care and I can't wait to see how everything turns out

Hey Bud, how's it going?

I found the link to the ghetto water cooled fan H3ad was talking about....had seen that myself a few months ago....
Here it is: Ghetto Water-cooled Fan

Note: the lights are actually 53 (4.5ft)in from the floor. I'm guessing this doesn't really matter tho cuz I think I'm gonna hafta move the lights further up before this grow is over. Ya think?

I think! You're going to be doing DAILY adjustments on those lights in flower. Remember, your lights should always be as close as possible to your plants without burning them. To evaluate this, stick your hand under the lamp at the height of the tops of your plants and wait a minute...the back of your hand should feel warm, but NOT hot, any uncomfortable heat indicates that your lights are too close and need to be raised. What you feel on your hand in terms of heat is what the tops of your plants will feel. If the lights are too high, the plants will stretch. I'm actually surprised you haven't been adjusting your lights until now My light is hung with a system of S hooks and chain, but they sell pulley systems for them also :wink:

The way my plants are smelling now ,in veg., I figgered the worst of it would come, if at all, during flower. I was wondering if the smell would be as strong during the drying process as well.

AS Ms. G stated, they're gonna be kickin' up like hell while drying. Odor control...remember :wink:

It was a lil eerie, but WAY cool, to unexpectedly experience something that, up until this point, I've only read about.

Just wait till you taste it!

Have a nice one Bud!

[budhownd]

Hey gang,

Oh Lawd!!!

My girls ( 3 so far ) are not happy campers.

I have clawing on two plants and what looks like bright greenish-yellowish looking leaves on one. I'll admit that with this one I took the plant out of the grow closet and brought it into "regular light" and it looked ok( just a lil ighter green on top, but I'm still worried bout her.

I have fan leaf tips curling upwards, drying up and crumbling off. I have mottling that looks like a potassium deficiency. It also looks as tho there is an iron deficiency. I'm thinking a pH problem.
I'm assuming these deficiencies are present based on the pics in the sick pics thread by MynameStitch, in the sick plant infirmary section.

I'm gonna try to upload pics tonight, but tha way I have to do it from my fone takes so long they may have to wait until tomorrow. I'm already tired and I have to be up early.

Aiight, I have questions.

How is it that I can stick the pH meter into the soil in different places and get different readings? Hot spots? Also, the moisture meter I'm using is saying that the soil is moist in the pots with the two biggest plants, not wet just moist, however, when I lift the pot it's almost light enuff to lift with one hand. Is it safe to assume a 17 quart pot filled with dirt and a two foot tall plant shouldn't be that light?

Do plants normally go thru some sort of shock when they are given their first feeding of flower nutes? I have now switched over to the Fox Farm Big Bloom (First feeding was Saturday Sept. 10th last feeding of Veg nutes was Wednesday Sept. 7th, nothing but plain water between the two feedings).
Flowering food is 100% organic. Sea Bird poo. Bat poo. Worm poo. The recommended first feed is 1/2 cup per gallon of water. I gave 1/4 cup in a gallon, trying to be on the safe side, and used this gallon of water to feed all 6 plants.
I've read the organic nutes aren't supposed to burn, but hey.. I'm a newbie, I figger everything I do is gonna be too much, so I try and cut back on all the "firsts" that I have to perform with my lil warriors.
So, maybe the first feeding was too weak? The one sick lil plant perked right up and shot up about an inch after that first feeding of the higher P/ lower N food. I'm not surprised as it's been telling me all this time that it was Phoshorus deficient, with it's purple stems and all.

I read in a BOG thread that he has about 10 inches of the bottom stem bare of leaves, to prevent molding. He did, however, say that he did this about 10 days before sending them into flower, if I recall correctly. Any thots on doing it after 12/12 has already begun? Doing it at all... bad ... good?
I'm thinking along the lines of, the plant not having to worry about supporting all that lower foliage and just concentrating on it's upper canopy, where the budding will take place.

Geez gang, I'm beat. Had a weekend of too much imbibing at a party and am still feeling woozy two days later. Pics are uploaded to my email, I'll post them tommorow after class if I have the energy, if not then, definitely on Wednesday nite.

Ya'll have a great evening and a super tommorow.

peace

Buddy

[budhownd]

Hi Gang.

Just a lil update.

The boys are gone. I chopped them down a few hours ago and the girls now have the space they need to do whatever they are gonna do.

My heat issues in the closet are gone for the moment. Since I switched to 12/12 the temps in the closet don't go over 72 degrees. I guess cuz the days are gettng a lil cooler here and the door is open at night when the lights come back on.

I looked at the roots of the fellas and all of them had white, firm, roots so I'm gonna assume the same about the girls.

I think I may have had a bit of nute lockout because I wasn't adjusting the pH of my water before I watered them. I have become MUCH more vigilant in that department.

Question: Sometimes the water comes outta tha faucet between 6.5 and 6.7 or 6.8 which is fine, but there are times when I have to adjust the pH of the water myself.
Will it hurt the girls if I keep having to add pH down to the water in order to get it to an optimum pH level?

Also, one of the males was in some of the soil that I bought from Wal Mart. This soil is very... dense, I guess you could say. Not airy at all, even with the perlite I added to it. When I looked at the root ball of this plant I noticed that the soil was bone dry all the way thru. However, the pot itself felt heavy as if I had just watered the plant. One of my amazons is in this same soil and her pot feels very heavy.
I recently watered her so I know the heaviness I feel is water not just the soil.
Other than wilting, what are some signs I might see in a flowering plant that will tell me that she needs water? I have a moisture meter but that thing gives 3 or four different readings depending on how deeply I push it into the soil. Should I be putting it just an inch or so into the soil or all the way down to the bottom of the pot?

Ya'll have a great Friday!

Thanks for all the help. K+!!

peace
Buddy