Mornin' Bud!

If your plants are already putting out new growth you did an excellent job repotting them and the roots are taking to the new soil.

I stuck a finger down in all the pots and the soil feels dry already in two of them, but I'm gonna give it another day or so cuz the pots aren't quite light enuff when I lift them. Geez, they are gulping down the water.

Perfect! Don't go by the loks or the feel of the soil. With pots that much deeper it may look like the Sahara desert on top and as far as your finger can reach, but if the pot isn't light the soil is still moist. Cannabis roots tend to grow downwards. Moist soil doesn't allow as much oxygen to reach the roots. Cannabis loves oxygen, so that's why we don't want the soil to be perpetually moist. It'll provoke root rot and stress.

The size of your plants doesn't have anything to do with smell potential...you're learning that pretty quick LOL .

I never thot about getting rid of some of the root mass during repotting. The roots were all over the place when I repotted this last time. One plant even had roots growing thru the holes in the bottom of the pot. I just figured .. it's a plant. It isn't gonna grow THAT fast. Boy, was I wrong.

Cannabis will develop an enormous root system given the room! And the health of your plants depends on the health of the roots...you're gonna see some signatures around here which say "Its all in the roots!"...they're right :wink:. Just for the record, healthy cannabis roots are snow-white and plump. I'm sure your roots were healthy when you repotted (I know...there were alot of them! :wink so I hope you took a nice look at them. That's what you should see when you repot your plants. If they're brownish and slimy looking, that's root rot..God forbid! :wink:
What Ms. G was referring to is not getting rid of the root mass You don't want to do that at all Bud! What she was referring to is a method some growers use when the plants get a bit too rootbound before their final repotting, to loosen up the root ball and help the plant root new soil. You basically remove the plant from the old pot, and before repotting kinda dig your fingers into the root mass and very gently loosen it with your fingers before placing the plant in the new soil. Want my advice? Don't try it yet. You still aren't familiar enough with your plants' root system, how it works and how much abuse your plants can take. Loosening the root ball before repotting is potentially very stressful for the plants, if not done correctly :wink:

You weren't screwing up badly Bud, it was a simple matter of learning when to repot. On the contrary, IMO you did an excellent job of trying to compensate your plants' deficiencies. When a plant has to receive nutes and micronutes constantly from you, because it has used up everything in the soil, its not easy at all for anybody to keep them healthy and growing well until they can be repotted, even for experienced gorwers. I deal with this alot because of the small space I have to grow in. Like you, I have to use my pots to the limit before repotting, and every time my plants fill up their pots I usually have a week to 10 days that I have to do some very pro-active prevention to keep them from suffering deficiencies until I can upgrade the pot. You'll learn to recognize these deficiencies (the most common being nitrogen, magnesium and iron, usually the first deficiencies to appear in cannabis) and to treat them, as well as avoid that they appear through preventive use of micronutes and additives. Its pretty easy, so don't worry...we'll get to that in time. Your ladies probably won't be presenting any more notable deficiencies until around maybe a month in flower.

As far as leaving the closet door closed and being absent for a day...I don't know how hot it gets in there with the door closed, but I'm bargaining on VERY hot. Can you give us a temp reading? Close the closet doors some time after the lights have been on and take the reading at the level of your plants at least a half hour after you close the doors - maybe set the thermometer on the edge of the pot and leave it there for a half hour or so.

If its over 85° with the doors closed I'd leave the door cracked! Also, my own very personal tip for you, and you can take it or leave it...is the next time to go with a 18/6 light cycle in veg. Especially if you have temperature issues and no adequate ventilation. All that heat 24/7 does them no good at all. At least in the 6 hours lights off they'll have time to recuperate some.

If you remember something you forgot to ask, no worries...we're here! :smile:

If we don't hear back from ya before Saturday, have a great time this weekend and say hi to your plants for me

I'm gonna try to get pics of them as soon as I can. All decked out in their new pots and erything. Still no ferts or nutes given to them. I stuck a finger down in all the pots and the soil feels dry already in two of them, but I'm gonna give it another day or so cuz the pots aren't quite light enuff when I lift them. Geez, they are gulping down the water.

I would like to add in my experience that the hotter it is in the area the more water you will end up having to use. This happened a lot with us before an a/c was solely dedicated to that space... It was not as bad in the winter as in the summer.. I guess because of the ground temp being much higher all the time... In the beginning I had a real hard time judging when to water, or when not to water... and my hubby got me one of these..

Its a moisture tester and it helped me out so much until I got the feel for watering plants.. as you can see it's been used quite a bit and I thought it may be something that you would be interested in.. They are around 10 bucks at pretty much any store with a gardening section.

As far as leaving the closet door closed and being absent for a day...I don't know how hot it gets in there with the door closed, but I'm bargaining on VERY hot

YES it can and it will!! We have battled heat stress before the a/c switch so you really need to know what how hot it gets like Indigo said before you leave it closed up. They also have thermometers that have the actual tip on a long wire and a digital read out control that you can put on the outside and this allows you to see the actual temps without opening the door.

If its over 85° with the doors closed I'd leave the door cracked! Also, my own very personal tip for you, and you can take it or leave it...is the next time to go with a 18/6 light cycle in veg. Especially if you have temperature issues and no adequate ventilation. All that heat 24/7 does them no good at all. At least in the 6 hours lights off they'll have time to recuperate some.

^^this is very good advice^^

Take care!
Ms.G

Bless your soul Ms. G...the only pic I have in my gallery is this:

can get kinda hard to convey a point with a pic if all you have to show is a marijuana-munching moo cow LOL.

Budhownd...when you get these plants finished, if you believe this is a hobby which you'd like to keep around, we're going to discuss some possible solutions to get around your limitations 'cause you're renting :wink:

Ms. G raises some very important points that I've let go...namely the importance of proper ventilation and heat control. There's more than one solution, and where there's a will there's a way. I'm a very willful woman and tend to find a way to make things happen even when they apparently can't. I had the very same ventilation issues as you, was growing in a closet cab, with the only ventilation being a Vortex bathroom fan mounted backwards on top as exhaust, and another mounted on the side as forced ventilation. Then I got sick of sweating it and found a few solutions. Dropped my lights on temps by 10°+!! You just say the word when you're ready and we'll hash it out (pun intended) together with Ms. G, who's input I value greatly. Ms. G has a bit more room for their grows, but heat is heat, whether you're growin' in a closet or in a warehouse...if ya have to deal with it...you come up with solutions, and the more input the better IMO!

[budhownd]

Hi Erybody!!


Well, tha mini vacation is over and I'm back to the grind of growin an learnin an growin some more.

I tired to get some pics of the lil amazons earlier today with tha housemate's digicam but they still look dumb. GRRRRR....!!! Still caint put tha pics in tha post. the lil vb code thing says im not allowed to post pics in posts. :( BOOOOOOO!!!
So, tha few pics I did get are in my gallery.

Indigo, I would love to discuss ventilation and heat control with you and Ms. G. I thank the two of ya'll fer conferring with me on this matter. I have an idea of how to set something up, but I need to research it a lil more.

Just a note, the far left wall of the closet is adjacent to the outside of the house. Nothing separating it from tha outside but a wall of bricks and mortar. Not even a sheet of drywall there. I'm almost certain the outside temps affect the inside temps of the closet, cuz round hea the summer weather is VERY humid and hot. And the hotter it was outside the hotter it was in the closet( tween 85-92 degrees). By comparison, when it wasn't as hot/humid. The temps were lower ( anywhere from 70-85 degrees). I'm wonderin how that's gonna affect things in the winter, specially with the light off for 12 hours.

Oh and by tha way, I don't think I'll ever stop growing, now, it's gone way past bein just a hobby. It keeps me on point mentally when my plants talk to me and I have to figger out what it is they are sayin THEN have to come up with a solution to fix/eliminate the problem. Plus, iz hella fun.


I have that same moisture meter that Ms. G has in tha pic!!! tee hee. Sorry, I git excited over lil stuff. I left the door cracked during the overnite trip. When I got back home, they'd blown up. Lots more new growth. They are almost competing for space.

There are branches growing from the node junctions and more new growth on top of that. So, I guess they were THIRSTY. Teusday is the 10th day after repotting and flushing them and I'm sure they are ready for their first taste of some food after adjusting to their new homes.

One plant looks a lil tired, leaves kinda hangin down and it has a real dark green color to the fan leaves, not alotta growth on that one, eiva. I'm kinda stumped as to what to do with it. Hopefully, itz just hungry. Damn, of all of them I wish I could get a good pic of that one, just so ya could see what I'm talkin about. :/

I THINK I GOT TWO GIRLS!!! I'm not sure, but I think I saw pre flowers on two of them. They are in the right place on the plants as far as I can tell from all tha pics I've been looking at for the past two days. Iz a lil growth that isn't part of tha two lil fangs that grow on either side of the stems.... ok, ok, .... stipules( i think that's what they are called). It sits by itself up above those things it looks like a pistil that hasn't opened up to show tha lil white hair yet. I've found em on two plants so far. I thnk both plants have two a piece at different nodes. I'm keepin my fingaz crossed. I don't mind havin a bunch of sausages in tha growroom this first time out, but it would be great to have at least one female, not only for the obvious reasons, but also it'll give me a chance to see a female plant grow and give me an idea of what can go rite an wrong with her. Give me practice with nutes and ferts during flower and so on.

I know there's tons more to learn, but I wanna get a lil experience with both sides of tha coin( M&F plants) this first time out. So, that the next time I grow it'll be with a lil knowledge about both sexes. Not just how to grow and make hash outta males, but also, to be able to grow and get a female plant thru harvest too.

Damn, I'm ramblin. That must mean it's smoke time.

Ohhhh.... I fergot.

Um, I read that, plants are apt to double in height by the time they are ready to harvest. Ohhhhh man. The two lil ones that I think are female are both a minimum of a 16 inches. Another is about 14 inches. The droopy one and it's neighbor are about 10in. and tha baby is about 7 or 8 inches.
That means that the two tallest will finish at about three an a half feet if they are indeed girls ?????!!!
Yea, we gonna hafta discuss, venting, heat control, and making some sort of pulley to raise my light, cuz they only have about two feet max to go til they hit tha bottom of tha lite.

Hmmm... if I have boys... and I'm sure I do, Ya think they'll be ok if I put em outside?? I don't have anywhere to put them once I find them and yank em outta tha girls space, since I just have the one lite. I mean even if they are boys, I raised them with as much care as any girls I may find and I'd hate to just kill em.
So, I figgered I'd just put em outside till it starts to get nippy. Keep givin em nutes and ferts an basically let em do their own thing til they tell me iz too cool for them outside. Then iz chop chop for em.
I'm willing to try my hand at makin a lil hash as a winter project, since all tha plants are stinky binky, but I'd want them to get bigger first.


Geez, no matter how much I write I still think I'm ferggitin somfin. If I am, it'll have to wait til 2morry or tha next time I post. Which I'm sure will be in a few days to update ya'll on my preflower findings.


Thanks fer all tha help, gang, an fer lending an ear ... or eye as it were, to tha ramblin Hownd.

K+ to you all.

peace

Bud tha Hownd

[budhownd]

Originally Posted by budhownd

That means that the two tallest will finish at about three an a half feet if they are indeed girls ?????!!!

I mean 3 feet. Tol ya math wasn't my bag mannnnnnnnnnn. LMAO.

Hey bud...nice to see you back! :smile:

Let's git to it, waddya say?

For the pics, shoot Green Lantern a pm. He's our techie admin here and he'll get it fixed for ya :wink:

First the plants...I took a look at your pics and the ladies are really picking up...very nice, they look like theyr'e filling up real well, and seem to be quite healthy! They might even get back on track with the size...we'll have to wait and see. The nodes are nice and tight and I'm really happy with how you solved your problems! For the droopy one...that one has received too much nitrogen...signs of nitrogen overdose are an extremely dark green color to the leaves, that "ramshorn" appearance of the leaf blades kind of hooking downwards, and leaves that droop. Was the plant like that before repotting?

- If so, the fan leaves will probably not lose that dark green color, but the new growth should be normal, and she should recover.

- If not, she may have hit a "hot spot" in your soil. Hot spots happen when you don't mix your soil components well. If you didn't mix that blood and bone meal in the soil real well, there may be an excess in that pot.

In both cases, I'd give that particular plant a good flushing, 3 times the volume of the pot, pH corrected water. No nutes for her until she has normal growth and the leaves perk back up again! You can feed your other plants when the 10 days are up, but go easy, remember you have that blood and bone meal in there...start with 1/3 strength and see how they react.

Now on to the presumed preflowers... they may very well be exactly that given the age of your plants! Right on time :wink: I like "fangs" better than stipules . When they first appear preflowers are tiny little nubs, gonna take a few days to a week to be able to start guessing, but keep in mind that its real hard to correctly guess sex from preflowers, unless you see the pistils, or unless its a real virile male who puts out pronounced balls . Remember also that all plants produce preflowers, both the males and the females. If you go back and look at 1toke's pics, you'll see what I indicated as a suspected male preflower...when fully formed, it looks like a small round crab claw on the end of a short little stalk. In any case, keep an eye on those! In cannabis its usually the males which sex first, but this is not an absolute, just a rule of thumb :wink:

As far as keeping any eventual male around 'cause you don't have the heart to kill it...sorry hon, you'e gonna have to get over that until you decide to try your hand out at making seeds. If you put the males outside, and they just happen to drop pollen, you're running the risk of having that pollen enter the house and pollinate your females. Not to mention ruining any eventual outdoor growers crop in the area. It only takes a grain of pollen to make a seed, just one male flower dropping pollen can pollinate many many many plants. Pollen will be carried in the wind, will stick to your clothes, will cause a mess if you aren't very careful. We can get into keeping males and storing pollen further on :wink: I know, it sucks...sometimes the males are the most gorgeous plants of all...but you must be heartless if you want to smoke anything decent :wink:

How much headroom does your grow have? How high is the ceiling? I have just a tad over 6ft in mine and grew some monster sativas in there (but not without alot of bending and pinching at the end to avoid them hitting the lights). If you have 6ft or more, you'll have room to grow them, don't worry :smile:

To start a good advice session on venting, heat issues, etc. we need some specs here....

1.Dimensions of your grow - Height, width, depth
2. You're using a 400W, correct?
3. Any existing ventilation aside from the fan?
4. You did great with the pics, I see that your cab's back wall is the brick wall. Can you tell me a bit about this cab? Did you build it yourself, or is it like a service closet that already existed in the house? I'm basically trying to find out if you can alter it in any way, by drilling holes, etc. 'cause you said you're in rental :wink:

You can isolate that wall and eliminate some of the heat and humidity by using a bit of fantasy, try tacking a sheet of that clear bubble plastic against it, which you can hang a white sheet or some mylar in front of for reflection...just an idea, you may come up with something better :wink:


For hashmaking, you'll be using the trimmings when you manicure your plants. I've never used a male plant to make my hash..but then again I use mostly bud to make my hash . Keep in mind that 100 grams of trimmings will get you maybe 2-3 grams of hash...but it will be excellent hash, if you use the popcorn buds and the "sugar" leaves which grow out of the buds

Think that's about it for now! If I missed something, let me know and I'll get to it!

[budhownd]

Originally Posted by Indigo

Hey bud...nice to see you back! :smile:

Let's git to it, waddya say?

For the pics, shoot Green Lantern a pm. He's our techie admin here and he'll get it fixed for ya :wink:


Great! Thanks for the headz up. HAY!! I just looked down tha bottom of tha page and the pics are there now!! Well, damn.


First the plants...I took a look at your pics and the ladies are really picking up...very nice, they look like theyr'e filling up real well, and seem to be quite healthy! They might even get back on track with the size...we'll have to wait and see. The nodes are nice and tight and I'm really happy with how you solved your problems! For the droopy one...that one has received too much nitrogen...signs of nitrogen overdose are an extremely dark green color to the leaves, that "ramshorn" appearance of the leaf blades kind of hooking downwards, and leaves that droop. Was the plant like that before repotting?




Thanks fer tha compliment.

Ok tha sick lil one. "Was it like that before repotting?"

Um, I'm thinking yes because this is tha plant with the worst purpling on it's stems from being in the too small pots. That still hasn't cleared up. Despite not havin any food for 10 days an bein in a new pot. The stems of tha big green fan leaves are purple/dark red, but the stems of the new growth are green, except for one single leaf stem attatched to one of the new green stems that are growing up from the lowest stems.

Well, I did water her and gave her a real real weak feeding.... I read this post too late!! I did it yestidy. :( They all perked up. Even tha sick one a lil. In fact she's still perked up. The new growth coming up from the lower branches is a brighter, more normal looking green, but tha fan leaves are still real dark green. Mkay, no ferts for her.

- If so, the fan leaves will probably not lose that dark green color, but the new growth should be normal, and she should recover.

- If not, she may have hit a "hot spot" in your soil. Hot spots happen when you don't mix your soil components well. If you didn't mix that blood and bone meal in the soil real well, there may be an excess in that pot.

In both cases, I'd give that particular plant a good flushing, 3 times the volume of the pot, pH corrected water. No nutes for her until she has normal growth and the leaves perk back up again! You can feed your other plants when the 10 days are up, but go easy, remember you have that blood and bone meal in there...start with 1/3 strength and see how they react.


I'll flush her ass good!!


Now on to the presumed preflowers... they may very well be exactly that given the age of your plants! Right on time :wink: I like "fangs" better than stipules . When they first appear preflowers are tiny little nubs, gonna take a few days to a week to be able to start guessing, but keep in mind that its real hard to correctly guess sex from preflowers, unless you see the pistils, or unless its a real virile male who puts out pronounced balls . Remember also that all plants produce preflowers, both the males and the females. If you go back and look at 1toke's pics, you'll see what I indicated as a suspected male preflower...when fully formed, it looks like a small round crab claw on the end of a short little stalk. In any case, keep an eye on those! In cannabis its usually the males which sex first, but this is not an absolute, just a rule of thumb :wink:

I looked again at 1toke's pic and have decided it's too early to tell. There's something there, I just caint tell zactly what it is. If, I got it backwards, then it's even better cuz, then I'd have two males an four females. I like them numbers!


As far as keeping any eventual male around 'cause you don't have the heart to kill it...sorry hon, you'e gonna have to get over that until you decide to try your hand out at making seeds. If you put the males outside, and they just happen to drop pollen, you're running the risk of having that pollen enter the house and pollinate your females. Not to mention ruining any eventual outdoor growers crop in the area. It only takes a grain of pollen to make a seed, just one male flower dropping pollen can pollinate many many many plants. Pollen will be carried in the wind, will stick to your clothes, will cause a mess if you aren't very careful. We can get into keeping males and storing pollen further on :wink: I know, it sucks...sometimes the males are the most gorgeous plants of all...but you must be heartless if you want to smoke anything decent :wink:

I heard that, I can be heartless.

I didn't even think about havin a growin neighbor. That would be phucked up to unknowingly pollinate somebody's outdoor grow. I'll have to remember to be considerate of that.

How much headroom does your grow have? How high is the ceiling? I have just a tad over 6ft in mine and grew some monster sativas in there (but not without alot of bending and pinching at the end to avoid them hitting the lights). If you have 6ft or more, you'll have room to grow them, don't worry :smile:


Cool. I have 7 ft. an about 3 inches.
To start a good advice session on venting, heat issues, etc. we need some specs here....

1.Dimensions of your grow - Height, width, depth - 3x4x....uh, somfin. It's 12 square feet.

2. You're using a 400W, correct? Yep

3. Any existing ventilation aside from the fan? Got to fans. One oscillating an another hangin near tha hood of tha lite. Um ... so nope, nothing inside tha closet that can aid in venting.

4. You did great with the pics, I see that your cab's back wall is the brick wall. The wall to the far left is brick as well. That's the one that's opposite of the outside would. The wall closest to the oscillating fan.


Can you tell me a bit about this cab? Did you build it yourself, or is it like a service closet that already existed in the house? Yea, it's just a closet by the back door. I didn't build it or modify it, except for removing the shelves that were in there.


I'm basically trying to find out if you can alter it in any way, by drilling holes, etc. 'cause you said you're in rental :wink:

Well, I'm kinda handy with drills and stuff, but not real, real handy. My housemate is better than I am and I'd rather not involve her in the contruction of tha lil amazon's playroom. Yea, I'm renting and, if at all possible, I'd rather not alter the closet.
You know those big ass fans that damn near blow ya over when you walk into a gorcery store? I assume they are used to circulate the ac around tha front of tha store. Have ya ever seen or heard of one that will fit in a doorway, up along the inside edge of the doorway? I could use one of those cus tha ceiling of tha closet is just a sheet of drywall and has about an inch, .. inch and a half gap along the entire upper length of the doorway. It would be great if I could have an exhaust fan there but it would have to clip onto the doorjamb... door frame(?) in some kinda way. Only prollem with that is that it would be blowing odors an such right under tha floorboards of tha daughter galz room.

You can isolate that wall and eliminate some of the heat and humidity by using a bit of fantasy, try tacking a sheet of that clear bubble plastic against it, which you can hang a white sheet or some mylar in front of for reflection...just an idea, you may come up with something better :wink:


For hashmaking, you'll be using the trimmings when you manicure your plants. I've never used a male plant to make my hash..but then again I use mostly bud to make my hash . Keep in mind that 100 grams of trimmings will get you maybe 2-3 grams of hash...but it will be excellent hash, if you use the popcorn buds and the "sugar" leaves which grow out of the buds

OHHHHHHH that's how ya do it.Well, you can tell I need to read up on hashmaking. LoL.

Think that's about it for now! If I missed something, let me know and I'll get to it!

Thanks a million, Indigo. If this grow turns out to be any good, yer most welcome to sample it, since yer pretty much helpin to grow it.

Have a great nite.

peace

Bud

Read you're post bud...I'm gonna have to answer it probably tomorrow, I woke up this morning with a nasty migraine which hasn't gone away, so I'm keeping my computer time down today....its killin' me! Catch ya tomorrow, when I can give you some intelligent input :wink:

[budhownd]

Hope ya feel better real real soon Indigo. Take it easy an get some rest.

peace

Bud

I'm back! And in one piece....though I've never had such a nasty migraine before

So how're the plants doing? In particular the overferted one? How's she looking?

As far as the preflowers go...that's probably exactly what they are, and they'll take about a week to develop into something you can begin trying your hand in guessing at.

I heard that, I can be heartless.

There ya go! Believe me...I feel your pain. The first time I had to yank a male I almost cried...it was soooo gorgeous. Think of it as a necessary evil for the good of your stash .

OK, now that we got some specs we can get into some venting/cooling discussions. Before we do though, I think you need to be aware that you will have odor issues, and they may well become a problem for you. Odor is one of the factors which can also contribute to getting busted....so don't take it lightly. Your plants in flower might kick up big-time, or might not....but sooner or later you'll have to face this issue, and better sooner than later. The best thing I can do for you is link you to this thread about the Vaportek unit. Its the best odor control out there, does not require any drilling of holes or mounting...you just plug it in and it goes. Until you decide whether you want to invest in something like that or not, try getting yourself a few large tubs of those ONA gels (Odor Neutralizing Agent), I think they sell them at Walmart and places like that.

Good venting and cooling will require a small investment...well worth the money. You'll need a glass shielded hood or cool tube for your bulb and a 360cfm blower.


The best solution is to buy or build yourself a closet which you can drill and cut holes in. If you can't do that....we're gonna have to wing it. You need to be able to have a hole from which to vent the exahust. The problem with using the slit between the ceiling of the closet and the door to exhaust through is that though you can adapt the round output hole of the blower to fit to the slit (using flexible tubing), the blower isn't going to last very long because it won't be exhausting properly and will overheat the motor. It'll also make a helluva alot more noise. You also need to have a system of passive intake which would consist in two 4 inch holes cut in the side of the closet near the floor (about 12 inches up) . If you think you can drill one 4 to 5 inch hole in the ceiling of your closet, then we can do without the passive intake and use the closet doors (leaving them slightly ajar) while the lights are on.

Borrowed this handy dandy pic from a friend to illustrate more or less what a good closet setup can look like:


Note how the soundproof tubing hooks directly from the cool tube to the blower which is ceiling mounted, from the right side of the blower another piece of tubing takes the exhaust out of the grow through a hole cut in the ceiling. The wall mouned fan allows for more space on the floor of the grow.

I had to wing it myself for a while, and instead of the blower I had two Vortex bathroom fans, one mounted as an exhaust on top, and one mounted as a forced intake on the side. Wanna know the truth? Didn't hack it at all. Might have dropped the temps by one or two degrees max. Then I got myself a proper blower and a cool tube, and dropped my temps 10 - 12°!!!!

So i guess I gave you some things to think about. We can work it out together...go ahead and comment as you see it, according to what you can and can't do, and we'll try to get something figured out, though there are not a whole lot of alternatives if you can't drill holes in that closet, or get/build yourself something that you can alter to your heart's content :smile:

Have a nice one Bud!