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Old 02-03-2010, 12:02 PM #111
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Hey Toke,
Yeah man, Mistress' Really knows her stuff ah buddy! Some of what she says aint exactly helpfull to laymens, but i really rate her style myself, she brings some fantastic issues to the table, & 9 times outta 10 she has the answers too-all of 'em!, 'it aint just a quick explination with M' she really goes into alot of detail. Listen to her buddy,shes a clever one that one! fair play to her,she's cool man!

Yeah Fans, thems the little beauties!, they come in all shapes and sizes, but that size(100mm) fit perfect with a little gentle persuasion in the 4" dryer hose, seal with Gaffa, connect up-Sorted!, I even see them with heat sensors which kick in to max speed when it gets to a set temp! very handy little fans, usefull in awkward spots & for making the CoolWorms, im sure my mate has a patent pending on them ones lol- he was pretty proud of his idea! I can tell you if you knock some together you will be impressed man, Especially when warmer ambient temps pay us a visit later in the year! Those plus some extra passive intakes works great for me in a 'm2', i noticed a difference straight away & temps fell & were more controlable just by either using more worms or taking them away/ switching them on & off etc! Ducting cooler air in makes a big difference. Have a play sometime. G'luck!
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:11 PM #112
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Molasses, OOH what a sticky mess!!

Well I`ve switched back to Canna A+B today, and added Molasses at roughly 1teaspoon per 4ltrs, very roughly though as its not easy to get it out of the jar in level teaspoons, so I went for a slightly heaped teaspoon and counted each one as 2 teaspoons, it looked about right.

I wonder if I may have added a little more than I thought though as my res now looks like a brewing barel of scrumpy cider and has made the res noticeably more viscous. My initial thoughts making me wonder if this is going to affect the perched water table and run off

My nute res is filled with, 90ltrs straight RO water (ec0.0), 80mls Calmax (ec0.3), 130mls Canna coco A+B, (rises to ec1.1), 90mls PK13/14 aka NPK 0-17-18 (rises to ec1.3) 9 double (ish) teaspoons of molasses first mixed in hot water, (ec rises to ec1.6) and finally 180mls Atazyme. It took nearly 5mls ph down to adjust the ph to 5.8.

I`ve given the A+B at ec0.1 less than I`ve been giving and that`s given an ec1.6 to the final res compared to ec1.4 of my last res without the molasses.

An observation with Canna A+B is that it takes around 20% more A+B to achieve the same strength ec as it does with the B`cuzz, and as B`cuzz are cheaper in the first place, this must be a bonus. One thing I didn`t like about the B`cuzz nutes it that they use a paper type material as the caps seal, this soon disitigrates and ends up as several tiny bits of soggy paper in the nutrient, and then the bottles are not sealed properly. Canna have good sealing plastic caps. I think the B`cuzz nutrients have proved themselves quite well going on my plants up to now. I hope the Canna continues to provide the same form.

One thing I was a big surprised to me is that the Molasses raised the ec figure by 0.3. I`m curious to how accurate this is for measuring the actual nutrients present due to the fact that the sugars in the Molasses will surely affect the electrical conductivity and in effect give a higher ec reading of the res, compared to the actual nutrient salts. Can anyone tell me that this is so??

Its just that I`ve given the A+B at ec0.1 less than I`ve been giving and that`s given an ec1.6 to the final res compared to ec1.4 of my last res without the molasses. I was thinking of pushing up the nutes a little, this and maybe next week to around ec1.6 before backing off a bit again in week 8 and then flush in week 9. Is this really raising the nutrient level by ec0.3, or are the sugars giving me a false impression??

Ah well I`m off to feed it to em now.
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:38 PM #113
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This was the reply I received when questioning the EC rise when adding molasses

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3) After adding the 90ml molasses to 60L of water my EC raised by 0.2 is this normal? I understand there are nutes in the molasses but just wanted to check this was about right.
Your ec should rise, you just added sugar instead of salt, your ec meter sees it all the same.

I interpreted this as - the sugar itself rather than nutes is giving the reading

Edit> BTW, I have a pump in my rez mixing circulating nutes (air pump was off) and the molasses started to break down after about 4 days causing a horrid smell... Rez was rinsed with 'eco'- washing up liquid then refilled, I am going to run a test with couple buckets 1 with airstone and 1 with just circ pump to see which lasts longest.

I think this would be the only thing to watch for when using molasses. Not sure if you use airstones in rez as you drip and they are not really that beneficial when dripping but you will defintaley need to keep the mix well circuated to avoid any breakdown probs- unless it was something else that caused the issue???

Will see when tests are complete next week.
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:41 PM #114
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Mmm, makes me wonder if I should up the A+B by another 0.2 or so.

Thanks for dropping that in here for me.

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Old 02-03-2010, 11:52 PM #115
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Hey Shhh, referring to yer edit, thanks, I`ll keep an eye on that. My 90ltr res will only last for 3 days so hopefully it wont be an issue. I have an air pump, switched off at the mo, but I have a pump permanently circulating my res from the bottom pumping upwards to the surface.

Do ya reckon the airstone will keep thing nice and fresh? I`m still handwatering once daily. I just gave them all a good feed with more than usual run off, just to make sure the plants are well flushed through with the new nutrients and molasses.

I also added a further 20mls A+B raising the ec to 1.7. Next time I`ll mix my nutrients to ec1.6 and ph it before adding the molasses, and see how that goes. Dont want to over fert, dont wanna underfert cunundrum.

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Old 02-04-2010, 01:55 AM #116
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Yeah watch the tips of the plant etc you know the drill re higher EC levels, Coco is cool though and usually takes a couple drenches before I see any burnt tips etc using a higher EC than previous feeds.

I am not sure if the airstone will do any good TBF mistress seemed to think fast recirc was the key from her posts, I suppose more oxy would be beneficial though as maybe will stop breakdown occuring as fast? Not sure as was and still am shite as science lol...

My mate is the one whom got me convinced that molasses was doing something good, his grows just shot up in density, flavor and all round taste & appearance like overnight, he grows in soil (bio bizz) using mainly bio bizz nutes (cept for PK 13/14) then he adds molasses and hey presto the apprentices buds now surpass the sorcerers! WTF!!

After a wee grilling he fesses up to using the molasses! Now were getting somewhere... So I had to give my girls a run on it after some semi-thorough research =] I find the balck strap stuff were both using now. Hopefully my buds taste better than his this time round as he has some Canalope haze that is very very tasty man, gotta be top 5 in taste dept will be hard to surpass but will have a crack.

Anyway, point of bringing up my mate is he starts adding molasses at week 3 bloom then stops before final 7 days flush (uses it with water for 3 days I think, will check).

he does not use it to flush till end as he said that it left a lil taste in the bud when he flushed with it...
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:27 AM #117
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Yeah, I defo want plain water for 4-7 days, after a week of reduced nute`s, unless they`re still building heavily, then they`ll get an extra week to flush anyway, mold permitting of course. Wonder if I`ll notice the difference doing the final flush with RO water, as opposed to tap water, probably not.

The second stretch is well under way now, I`m hoping the molasses is going to be a treat for them.

Ya didn`t get any of the foul smelling breakdown that ya mentioned in the pots, or root zone etc.?

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No foul smell in the pots, I think once it's in there it being used pretty much from the time its added so maybe it get broken down or whatever and all is ok, plus I didn't hit them up with any of the foul water so all was cool, they had the first treat last week and I have had no smell probs or rot from what I can tell (roots out of bottom of pots still white n fluffy.

Posted some thoughts on the molasses thread, the exchange between u & mistress got me thinking about alot of other things, and I had a better look at her answers in the thread.... sometimes it can be a PITA to trawl through the math etc but there are snippets in there that will alow you to calculate what you need to know with the right info to start with.

anyway.... where's those pics!!! wonder if the molasses will make you into an octopus so u can hold up the bits of cardboard n snap a pic at the same time lmao! Seems to do pretty much everything else man I reckon it's worth a shot :P
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:54 AM #119
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Heh heh, octopus I`ve got to become now eh?

Yeah I misread Mistress, and feel really bad about that. I cant believe I mooned her, albeit with an emoticon. Have apologised and hope she forgives my ignorance and rudeness

I`ve borrowed a digi SLR camera and I`ve got a bunch of lenses, so I`m gonna have fun taking some proper pics over the next couple of days. Quite busy tmro though so prob wont get em posted till Sat, maybe Sun.

Its changing daily in appearance as the second stretch continues and the colas are filling out well I think for the stage they`re at.

Second day with molasses added to the feed, I wont expect to see much difference, though I`ll keep a close eye on them.

One of my plants was giving a run off of ec2.0 which is too high. I`ll be checking them all thoroughly over the next couple of days. Others tested today were ok at ec1.6.

Cheers for now, Toke
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Old 02-08-2010, 08:37 AM #120
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Bud growth a bit odd??

Hi, I`ve been busy taking some pics on my mate`s camera so I`ve got quite a lot to show you.

I`ve become a bit concerned with the bud formation on the colas, I thought they`d be starting to take shape a bit more by now, but instead of fattening up they seem to have shot a fairly spindley bit of growth from all of the main tops with the whispiest bit of bud on them, and the over all bud development seems to have slowed right down. It is only day 41 of 63+ so there`s time for them to develop and fulfill their potential, so I`m not panicking, just a bit concerned. I haven`t seen this strain grow like this in any of my mates grows or my own, though with the problems I had with mine, they were nothing to go on. They didn`t shoot off like this in my little grow tent scrog. As you can see from the pictures the overall health of the plants is pretty good so I`m hoping they`ll be coming through for me.











I`ve taken some pics of the tops of the main colas/stems, where I feel they`re stretching a bit oddly.









Any thoughts there?

The resin build up is amazing even many of the bigger leaves are covered, I haven`t seen this strain so resinous as this so early on either.

I`ve nearly been put off the molasses idea, cos of the mess it makes of yer res, pump, heater, airstone etc. It breaks down from around two days, my res lasts 3-4 days. I think I`m going to add some to the last feed off of each res, so it doesn`t have time to break down and mess things up. This means my plants will get a molasses feed every 3 days or so, which should be enough to keep the microbial life in the medium enhanced a bit, that level will certainly not harm anything.





Finally, for tonight, My cuttings. I know there are many ways of cloning and my technique is pretty old school, but I`m good with that, I`m used to it and dont want to faf about with new techniques that require more tending. I use peat jiffy pucks, cloning gel, and now RO water, in a standard prop incubator. I`m used to getting a near 100% success rate, and they should look something like this.



Barely 4-5 inches high and they`re past the 8th internode already.





I`ve given some away now, the 6 on the left are the Armaghedon that were in a real poor state, but they`re looking good now.



I only need 4 arma`s and 4 cheese, for the now 2 growtent scrog, I`ve handed over full responsibility of the tent`s to my friend, of course I`m nearby if needed. I`ll take cuttings for my next crop from the grow tent plants, and decide which to go with then, I`ve also got the Strawberry cough and Grapefruit to choose from, though there is a spider mite problem there at the moment, so will make sure things are good before accepting anything from there.

I`m feeding the flowering plants at ec 1.6. 90mls Calmax ec0.4, 150mls Canna A+B ec1.3, 100mls PK13/14 ec1.6, plus 160mls atazyme and 5mls ph down, all mixed into 90 ltrs of RO water.

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