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Bodhi Roach · 10-27-2009, 08:23 PM

When you switched over to vertical, did you notice any differences in the density of the nugs, quality, size, yields in comparison to the flat garden?

VeticalGrowBot · 10-27-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bodhi Roach

When you switched over to vertical, did you notice any differences in the density of the nugs, quality, size, yields in comparison to the flat garden?

Most definitely, denser buds all around (as opposed to just top and secondary colas flat) higher yield.

odin_ · 10-27-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VeticalGrowBot

Most definitely, denser buds all around (as opposed to just top and secondary colas flat) higher yield.

this for me too

SuperConductor · 10-27-2009, 10:50 PM

What VGB said, hard buds all the way down branches = much better yields. Plants need to be staionary tho, no rotating.

Dr happy · 10-28-2009, 12:21 AM

ive never tried indoor horizontal
but ive tried outdoor horizontal

vertical always produced harder buds

turbolaser4528 · 10-28-2009, 07:15 AM

true, definitely denser all the way down, but what do you guys think would yield more from a 2 plant dwc vegged for 3-4 weeks, an aircooled horiz 600whps scrog or a vertical bare 400cmh?

Im debating on going vertical, but dont want to lose yields with the smaller bulb. I can't go 600whps vertical because i wont be able to cool it or itll be a major pita. so 400 cmh vertical bare? or stick to the 600 hps horiz? this is for yield and efficiency, last buds were big, had some light burn though, but were very airy, id suppose that the vertical cmh might lose me a little yield but all buds would be much more frosty, potent, and denser.

What do you guys think though?

odin_ · 10-28-2009, 08:55 AM

honestly there isnt alot of diff in heat between a 600 and 400

we are talking a few degrees and a few inches farther the plants have to be

also i wouldnt expect bigger thicker buds from the 400cmh compared to a good 600hps

though the 400 may be better than a standard mh and it is claimed has a better spectrum, you are losing alot of light there (600 hps = most efficient of all hids/400 = least efficient of all 400 and larger bulbs - 400, 600, 750, 1000)

Indecent · 10-28-2009, 11:29 PM

Why can't you use a 600 vert?

With a fan blowing from below the bulb up to the ceiling, and an exhaust fan at the top you should have less heat problems with the vertical grow than you would with a horizontal one.

11-03-2009, 04:44 AM

I gotta say that this vertical shit you guys got going here is simply amazing! you are definitley onto something here!!

SuperConductor: what is wrong with rotating the plants? twisting/messing with the roots?

Dr happy: I used to tie down my outdoor plants until I realized the same thing you did. I think the suns movement over the arc of the earth mimicks vertical light and horizontal light over time by moving slowly up over and down. horizontal outdoor yeilds less as does horizontal indoor, so it would seem. (I have just now heard of vertical growing

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SuperConductor · 11-03-2009, 04:58 PM

Hey Col.Dijon, the reason it's said not to rotate the plants is due to phototropism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phototropism which means theplant uses a lot of energy to turn and face the light, energy that could be used making buds.

I've never done it myself but reports indicate rotating plants it leaves you with light fluffy buds. I've seen one person on here who claims it's better to rotate so maybe testing it out for yourself is a good option but I'll stick to keeping them still

10-27-2009, 08:23 PM	#1
Bodhi Roach Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Zone Posts: 114	Vertical vs. Horizontal - Bud density When you switched over to vertical, did you notice any differences in the density of the nugs, quality, size, yields in comparison to the flat garden? __________________ I know arguing in forums is like the special olympics... even if you win, you're still retarded. 2K vertical with watercooled cooltubes https://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=146807
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10-27-2009, 10:50 PM	#4
SuperConductor Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,024	What VGB said, hard buds all the way down branches = much better yields. Plants need to be staionary tho, no rotating. __________________ "I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." - Bill Hicks "You shouldn't say what you don't know, you shouldn't reap what you never sow" - Wayne Smith One thing I'm sure of is I know nothing
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10-28-2009, 12:21 AM	#5
Dr happy Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 288	ive never tried indoor horizontal but ive tried outdoor horizontal vertical always produced harder buds __________________ swab- Smart Without A Brain Vertical 1200w 120x120(0.9gpw)
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10-28-2009, 08:55 AM	#7
odin_ 卍 Óðal 卐 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: north Posts: 230	honestly there isnt alot of diff in heat between a 600 and 400 we are talking a few degrees and a few inches farther the plants have to be also i wouldnt expect bigger thicker buds from the 400cmh compared to a good 600hps though the 400 may be better than a standard mh and it is claimed has a better spectrum, you are losing alot of light there (600 hps = most efficient of all hids/400 = least efficient of all 400 and larger bulbs - 400, 600, 750, 1000) __________________ “Hail to the speaker & he who listens! May whoever learns these words prosper because of them! Hail to those who listen !” - Havamal
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11-03-2009, 04:58 PM	#10
SuperConductor Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,024	Hey Col.Dijon, the reason it's said not to rotate the plants is due to phototropism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phototropism which means theplant uses a lot of energy to turn and face the light, energy that could be used making buds. I've never done it myself but reports indicate rotating plants it leaves you with light fluffy buds. I've seen one person on here who claims it's better to rotate so maybe testing it out for yourself is a good option but I'll stick to keeping them still __________________ "I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." - Bill Hicks "You shouldn't say what you don't know, you shouldn't reap what you never sow" - Wayne Smith One thing I'm sure of is I know nothing
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10-28-2009, 07:15 AM	#6
turbolaser4528 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,264	true, definitely denser all the way down, but what do you guys think would yield more from a 2 plant dwc vegged for 3-4 weeks, an aircooled horiz 600whps scrog or a vertical bare 400cmh? Im debating on going vertical, but dont want to lose yields with the smaller bulb. I can't go 600whps vertical because i wont be able to cool it or itll be a major pita. so 400 cmh vertical bare? or stick to the 600 hps horiz? this is for yield and efficiency, last buds were big, had some light burn though, but were very airy, id suppose that the vertical cmh might lose me a little yield but all buds would be much more frosty, potent, and denser. What do you guys think though?
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10-28-2009, 11:29 PM	#8
Indecent Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 66	Why can't you use a 600 vert? With a fan blowing from below the bulb up to the ceiling, and an exhaust fan at the top you should have less heat problems with the vertical grow than you would with a horizontal one.
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11-03-2009, 04:44 AM	#9
Col.Dijon Guest Posts: n/a	I gotta say that this vertical shit you guys got going here is simply amazing! you are definitley onto something here!! SuperConductor: what is wrong with rotating the plants? twisting/messing with the roots? Dr happy: I used to tie down my outdoor plants until I realized the same thing you did. I think the suns movement over the arc of the earth mimicks vertical light and horizontal light over time by moving slowly up over and down. horizontal outdoor yeilds less as does horizontal indoor, so it would seem. (I have just now heard of vertical growing )
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