[Scrogerman]

Very Interesting Guys, Nice thread!

[eloquentsoution]

wow, gw. this was posted over a year ago! may i update with a recipe that is restricted only by how small a drop of myrrh one can obtain?

x = honey oil
,3x = coconut oil
x/15 = cinnamon leaf oil
x/15 = cinnamon bark oil
x/30 = myrrh oil

the myrrh was reduced for a more pallateable flavour. adding an additional .1x of cinnamon flavoring gives you a lovely batch of holy shit (dubbed by gw). it reminds you of the ofld cinnamon sticks we made as kids!

it is still my preferred ingestable, even with all the new concoctions. three drops and i am good to go. one drop for low tolerance folks.

Originally Posted by Gray Wolf

It doesn’t fully decarb in the 200F oven because it isn’t in there long enough, but what ever temperature it reaches in the 200F oven definitely does have some decarboxylation effect. What I am saying is that it is difficult to compute how much time has been spent under the curve when it spends 10 minutes at 200F in the oven, 173 F when boiling off the alcohol, and 250F in the oil bath. Rather than try to figure it out mathematically and be wrong anyway, it is easier to watch the bubbles.

I decarboxylate my sublingual Holy Shit formula the same way.

It doesn’t work with an alcohol tincture because you can’t get an alcohol tincture to 250F without having it under pressure. I make alcohol tincture by decarboxylating the oil and then re-dissolving it in alcohol.

thanks for the graphs GW and Jump117. thanks also for the elaboration which cleared up a lot, the alcohol tincture process especially.

[jd4083]

Maybe I'm super stoned, but where is bud mentioned in the verse itself? I noticed he mentioned cassia which is what most Americans call Cinnamon without realizing it...can somebody point it out?

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by jd4083

Maybe I'm super stoned, but where is bud mentioned in the verse itself? I noticed he mentioned cassia which is what most Americans call Cinnamon without realizing it...can somebody point it out?

Depends on which Bible translation that you have. In some Bibles it calls for Sweet Calamus instead of Fragrant Cane.

Fragrant Cane is another name for hemp and sometimes Sweet Calamus, which is a wet land perenial also known as Sweet Flag.

That argument rages on, but may I note two things?

The first is that the priests of that era were also the doctors and scientists of the time. They did not throw things as important as holy oil together casually.

My second thought is along the lines of Occum's Razor, and that given how remarkably well it works with Fragrant Cane, the odds look good to me that, that is what they were talking about.

If you are interested in more information about the debate, you might Google Holy Annointing Oil and follow the threads.

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by eloquentsoution

wow, gw. this was posted over a year ago! may i update with a recipe that is restricted only by how small a drop of myrrh one can obtain?

x = honey oil
,3x = coconut oil
x/15 = cinnamon leaf oil
x/15 = cinnamon bark oil
x/30 = myrrh oil

the myrrh was reduced for a more pallateable flavour. adding an additional .1x of cinnamon flavoring gives you a lovely batch of holy shit (dubbed by gw). it reminds you of the ofld cinnamon sticks we made as kids!

it is still my preferred ingestable, even with all the new concoctions. three drops and i am good to go. one drop for low tolerance folks.

Good point! We cut the myrrh in half since the initial formula.

If you also add a gram of Loranne Oils cinnamon candy flavoring oil to that mix, you will have my own Holy Shit oil formula, which is what I use for my own daytime sublingual pain meds.

[Trichgnomes]

Well, I just made my first batch of HAO last night. I almost posted this then, but ended up just passing out.

I had some unpalatable OG kush oil that was made from flowers/green kief. As the whole flowers had and have since then, this combination auto-buddered.

This yielded me a funky green budder; the taste was akin to second run, as was the reside left on my Ti pad.

Luckily I had been wanting to try Gray Wolf's formula for a while, so this gave me a perfect excuse to experiment without using amber oil/shatter on my first go. I had just over 5 grams, so I easily halved all of the other ingredients.

I was not intending on performing a secondary extraction with ethanol (absolute) but my mason jar cracked in the pressure cooked at the start of decarboxylation. I scooped all of the now water-laden oil out of the pot, dissolved it in 20 ml of warm ethanol, filtered it, and changed my decarboxylation method to a hot oil bath on the stove in a pie plate.

Post decarb, I added the coconut oil, cinnamon bark oil, cinnamon leaf oil, and liquid myrrh gum. I gave it a stir while it was still hot, and proceeded to bottle it up. Bottles shown are each 1 US dram.


So I turned 5 grams of mediocre oil into about a dram and 1/3 of sublingual oil, or just under 5 ml.

Should last me a little bit...Thanks GW

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by Trichgnomes

Well, I just made my first batch of HAO last night. I almost posted this then, but ended up just passing out.

I had some unpalatable OG kush oil that was made from flowers/green kief. As the whole flowers had and have since then, this combination auto-buddered.

This yielded me a funky green budder; the taste was akin to second run, as was the reside left on my Ti pad.

Luckily I had been wanting to try Gray Wolf's formula for a while, so this gave me a perfect excuse to experiment without using amber oil/shatter on my first go. I had just over 5 grams, so I easily halved all of the other ingredients.

I was not intending on performing a secondary extraction with ethanol (absolute) but my mason jar cracked in the pressure cooked at the start of decarboxylation. I scooped all of the now water-laden oil out of the pot, dissolved it in 20 ml of warm ethanol, filtered it, and changed my decarboxylation method to a hot oil bath on the stove in a pie plate.

Post decarb, I added the coconut oil, cinnamon bark oil, cinnamon leaf oil, and liquid myrrh gum. I gave it a stir while it was still hot, and proceeded to bottle it up. Bottles shown are each 1 US dram.


So I turned 5 grams of mediocre oil into about a dram and 1/3 of sublingual oil, or just under 5 ml.

Should last me a little bit...Thanks GW

Hee, hee, hee............ Bon appetite bro!!1

Nice recovery with the broken jar! After the heartbreak of four of them, I switched to either stainless ware, or Pyrex beakers in the hot oil.

How does the medicinal effect work for you and what dosage works?

GW

[Trichgnomes]

Hey GW,

It was hard to discern yesterday and the day before, as I vaped oil in tandem with consuming the tincture throughout the day. Also, I should note that I rarely use cannabis or its extracts for physical pain, other than migraines. More often I am using it for recreation and to ease social anxiety.

This morning however, My central and upper back were in moderate pain, probably due to a weird sleeping posture. I administered 3 drops when I woke up, and a couple more throughout the morning before I hit the vape.

I went out for a bit, (still without having vaped) and my back pain had noticeably decreased but was still apparent. I took a dab when I returned home, and at that point its medicinal effects were much more pronounced.

I realized the extreme synergy between inhaling the vapors of our favorite oleoresin while simultaneously consuming it sublingually via the Holy Anointing Oil.

I highly recommend anyone who is curious about this to give it a whirl. I did forget to get the cinnamon candy flavoring, which as others have noted would definitely improve the taste. It taste mostly "Christmasy" to me, as cliche as that sounds; as if one were to walk into a room of cinnamon scented candles (heady plant based candles, not some cheap paraffin bullshit ).

However, the myrrh definitely gives it a bitter--almost astringent-- quality, which tends to linger on the palate for quite a bit.

P.S.

Originally Posted by Gray Wolf

When you are boiling off solvent in a 250F oil bath, you get a bunch of big bubbles, tailing off to small bubbles, tailing off to a quiescent pool.

Studies that I've read suggest that the peaks that you see on Jump's graphs are at about 70 to 80% decarboxylation, after which the efforts are counter productive for maximum head effect, but well suited for sedative effects. My experience has been the same.

If I want to maximize speed with a decarboxylated mixture, I cease cooking it at 250F when the extracted oil pool is for the most part quiescent, with minor small CO2 bubbles breaking at the edge of the pool when I poke at it using a glass rod or my trusty scientific grade bamboo skewer.

I should note, during my decarboxylation process, the temperature did go a bit too high. I used safflower oil, as it was the only cooking oil I had on hand, which IIRC, has a higher boiling point than other oils. My thermometer may need to be calibrated, but it read as high as 300 F at some points!

Next time I will be more mindful to keep the temp lower, as my oil was decarboxylated to a dead quiescence in 15 or so minutes. I would have rather it tailed off with a few C02 bubbles as Gray Wolf has mentioned, but it was definitely a learning process!

[eloquentsoution]

if you liked hao oral for pain, you really should try the topical version. when i first formulated it from the scriptures, my mom's muscle cramps were completely alleviated by the topical. now, i always have it on hand.

Originally Posted by Trichgnomes

Hey GW,

It was hard to discern yesterday and the day before, as I vaped oil in tandem with consuming the tincture throughout the day. Also, I should note that I rarely use cannabis or its extracts for physical pain, other than migraines. More often I am using it for recreation and to ease social anxiety.

This morning however, My central and upper back were in moderate pain, probably due to a weird sleeping posture. I administered 3 drops when I woke up, and a couple more throughout the morning before I hit the vape.

I went out for a bit, (still without having vaped) and my back pain had noticeably decreased but was still apparent. I took a dab when I returned home, and at that point its medicinal effects were much more pronounced.

I realized the extreme synergy between inhaling the vapors of our favorite oleoresin while simultaneously consuming it sublingually via the Holy Anointing Oil.

I highly recommend anyone who is curious about this to give it a whirl. I did forget to get the cinnamon candy flavoring, which as others have noted would definitely improve the taste. It taste mostly "Christmasy" to me, as cliche as that sounds; as if one were to walk into a room of cinnamon scented candles (heady plant based candles, not some cheap paraffin bullshit ).

However, the myrrh definitely gives it a bitter--almost astringent-- quality, which tends to linger on the palate for quite a bit.

P.S.




I should note, during my decarboxylation process, the temperature did go a bit too high. I used safflower oil, as it was the only cooking oil I had on hand, which IIRC, has a higher boiling point than other oils. My thermometer may need to be calibrated, but it read as high as 300 F at some points!

Next time I will be more mindful to keep the temp lower, as my oil was decarboxylated to a dead quiescence in 15 or so minutes. I would have rather it tailed off with a few C02 bubbles as Gray Wolf has mentioned, but it was definitely a learning process!