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Old 06-27-2011, 05:34 PM #101
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Gray wolf and anyone else that might know, I could use some help. I have been making hash oil using 151 proof everclear for a while now. I have this proccess down. While it's very effective, it's quite costly and time consuming.

I recently learned on these forums about dry ice hash. The end result is Kief or Kif. I just bought some bags and plan on giving this route a try. Once I have my jar of Kief, how would I go about using Kief to make the holy anointing oil?

Also, I use my hash oil to make hard candy. Can I use Kief to make candy just like I use hash oil now? Will it melt into the sugar? Lastly, I use about 4grams of oil per 2cups of sugar in candy making. Will I need to use more or less Kief?

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Gray wolf and anyone else that might know, I could use some help. I have been making hash oil using 151 proof everclear for a while now. I have this proccess down. While it's very effective, it's quite costly and time consuming.

I recently learned on these forums about dry ice hash. The end result is Kief or Kif. I just bought some bags and plan on giving this route a try. Once I have my jar of Kief, how would I go about using Kief to make the holy anointing oil?

Also, I use my hash oil to make hard candy. Can I use Kief to make candy just like I use hash oil now? Will it melt into the sugar? Lastly, I use about 4grams of oil per 2cups of sugar in candy making. Will I need to use more or less Kief?

Thanks!
For making the Holy Anointing Oil, Kif could either be cooked in coconut oil at ~180F or the oil extracted by boiling in Everclear. As you are not boiling the leaf material, there aren't the same issues with wax and water soluble pickup. It also takes way less alcohol.

I would extract the oil from the kif for candy. I would also decarboxylate it after extraction, when I purged off the alcohol in a 250F oil bath.

Kif will leave behind some cellulose material, so it is not the same as extracted oil. The ratio of cellulose to oil can vary quite a bit by strain and quality of extraction.
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I want to relay my experience and thank Gray Wolf for sharing this amazing information.

I have sever ostio arthritis and my wife has advanced RA. After reading this thread at least 30 times, I could no longer wait for my own harvest and I went ahead and made a small test batch with commercial weed.

I used about 20 grams of dried, ground bud and one can of butane. After the hot water purge I put the pyrex plate into a 250* oil bath for 20 min. As I only made an estimated 3-4 grams of oil (don't have a scale capable of 10ths) I added 4 grams of coconut oil, and estimated .25 grams of cinnamon bark and leaf, .125 grams of myrrh oil at the same time.

My wife was in the middle of an attack in her left hand. I rubbed it on and with in 15 min. she said she could feel some relief. I wanted it to work but am aware of the power of suggestion so I took her comment with a grain of salt and went to attend my plants.

45 mins. later, I come back into the house and my wife says "come here and look at this". She is waving her hand around clenching and unclenching her fist. The swelling in her wrist was noticeably reduced and she said the only pain left was a tingling at her finger tips.

It is now 4 hrs. since we applied the oil, and the swelling is completely gone and the episode is over. My wife is excited at the prospect of a night's sleep uninterrupted by pain.

We are obviously very excited but I am cautiously optimistic. Was it coincidence, we just happened to apply at the natural end of an attack? Possible for sure, this had been on going for 2 days, but she has also had them last weeks and never has the pain and swelling ended so abruptly.

My wife just said she can't wait for her next attack. That is someting I can honestly say I never thought I would hear.

I have done a fair amount of research in the last few months but can find very little information on the effectivness of various strains. I am assuming some work better than others? Any one care to share what works best for them?

I just used what was available here, Purple Kush, I was told but who knows. I have a run of Chemo vegging now that is reported to have a very high cbd content.

I will update after next use.

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I want to relay my experience and thank Gray Wolf for sharing this amazing information.

I have sever ostio arthritis and my wife has advanced RA. After reading this thread at least 30 times, I could no longer wait for my own harvest and I went ahead and made a small test batch with commercial weed.

I used about 20 grams of dried, ground bud and one can of butane. After the hot water purge I put the pyrex plate into a 250* oil bath for 20 min. As I only made an estimated 3-4 grams of oil (don't have a scale capable of 10ths) I added 4 grams of coconut oil, and estimated .25 grams of cinnamon bark and leaf, .125 grams of myrrh oil at the same time.

My wife was in the middle of an attack in her left hand. I rubbed it on and with in 15 min. she said she could feel some relief. I wanted it to work but am aware of the power of suggestion so I took her comment with a grain of salt and went to attend my plants.

45 mins. later, I come back into the house and my wife says "come here and look at this". She is waving her hand around clenching and unclenching her fist. The swelling in her wrist was noticeably reduced and she said the only pain left was a tingling at her finger tips.

It is now 4 hrs. since we applied the oil, and the swelling is completely gone and the episode is over. My wife is excited at the prospect of a night's sleep uninterrupted by pain.

We are obviously very excited but I am cautiously optimistic. Was it coincidence, we just happened to apply at the natural end of an attack? Possible for sure, this had been on going for 2 days, but she has also had them last weeks and never has the pain and swelling ended so abruptly.

My wife just said she can't wait for her next attack. That is someting I can honestly say I never thought I would hear.

I have done a fair amount of research in the last few months but can find very little information on the effectivness of various strains. I am assuming some work better than others? Any one care to share what works best for them?

I just used what was available here, Purple Kush, I was told but who knows. I have a run of Chemo vegging now that is reported to have a very high cbd content.

I will update after next use.

Peace,

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Thanks for sharing brother OTO!

For what it's worth, the experience that first demonstrated cannabis's pain relieving abilities, to me was a topical.

Its topical abilities not only demonstrates that cannabis is transdermal, but that it relieves pain with no euphoric high or other reason to use it.
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i still havn't made any of this stuff yet, i'm not quite sure in my mind about all the steps, so i hesitate. if i wanted to make just 200 mls of oil, how do i put 80 g of product in that small amount of liquid? if it was butter, i'd add water and separate it in the fridge when butter gets hard. but can this same system be used for olive oil? how cold does the olive oil need to be to get firm enough to separate from the water? is that why you guys use coconut oil, cause it gets hard when cold?
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i still havn't made any of this stuff yet, i'm not quite sure in my mind about all the steps, so i hesitate. if i wanted to make just 200 mls of oil, how do i put 80 g of product in that small amount of liquid? if it was butter, i'd add water and separate it in the fridge when butter gets hard. but can this same system be used for olive oil? how cold does the olive oil need to be to get firm enough to separate from the water? is that why you guys use coconut oil, cause it gets hard when cold?
The ancient perfumers added water to the mix and then boiled it off before filtering.

We use coconut oil because of its medium chain triglycerides, which absorb through the skin faster and pass the blood brain barrier faster.

Olive and coconut both oil have a specific gravity around .92, so 200 ml of oil would be about 184 grams of oil.

Cannabis oil and coconut oil will mix at any ratio and our skunk pharm formula is 74% cannabis oil for the oral HAO and 45% for the topical. IE 184 grams of our oral HAO would contain 136 grams of cannabis oil.
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The ancient perfumers added water to the mix and then boiled it off before filtering.

We use coconut oil because of its medium chain triglycerides, which absorb through the skin faster and pass the blood brain barrier faster.

Olive and coconut both oil have a specific gravity around .92, so 200 ml of oil would be about 184 grams of oil.

Cannabis oil and coconut oil will mix at any ratio and our skunk pharm formula is 74% cannabis oil for the oral HAO and 45% for the topical. IE 184 grams of our oral HAO would contain 136 grams of cannabis oil.
wow that's a high concentration you are getting. my aim was gonna be to get 42g of material cooked into 100g of oil.

cool, i feel ready to do this now, with todays fridge tec, we can separate the coco nut oil from the water easily without having to boil it off and risk burning the oil.

so as i read this whole concoction has to simmer for 10 hours or more. does it have to be boiling like crazy the whole time? or just gently bubbling away?
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