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Old 10-12-2009, 05:30 PM
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For more details, you can check https://www.actions-traitements.org/spip.php?breve1865 and https://www.natap.org/2005/HCV/062705_01.htm.
Please, note that in the second link it is specified that a very, very large part of the subjects happen to be IVDU (Intravenous drug user), and some booze as well. I think it's quite an important fact, which shouldn't be put aside as this kind of hobby is rather heavy on the liver. Ideally there should be some study made on people who are plain MJ user, otherwise, even though interesting this study's conclusions should be pondered me thinks (or at least keep in mind that the study was done on people who are treating roughly their liver).
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Thanks for the info MacGyver420. I've had chronic hep c for 30+ years, did the interferon treatment and it about killed me. There are some promising treatments currently being tested, but until they get the side effects worked out, I'll pass.

I've got a buddy whose hep c turned into liver cancer. He used cannabis for relief until he went on the Liver Donor List. He had to quit smoking in order to go on the list.

A couple of years ago, a hep c patient in Washington state was denied a transplant because he used cannabis. The rationale was that cannabis carries a specific mold spore that is known to make the body reject transplanted organs. This was a load of crap! I do air sampling for mold, and that particular strain is common and found nearly everywhere :(
Hi,
I just wonder, do you still smoke?
I might have it too. I get my results this week.
It really sucks....
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:16 AM
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Are you guys using Reishi (Ganoderma lucidum) for your liver ? If not then do some research & give a try, it's good for loads of things and especially recommended for hepatitis and liver necrosis or failure. If mj brings you relief, then Reishi will bring relief to your very liver, give a try !

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Thanks for the info MacGyver, and everyoneelse..~~ Interferon~~,,,That word makes the hairs on my arms stand str8t up..Ive had hep-c (genotype 1A)for 17yrs. I had to stop treatment after 6 or 7 months..The side efects are wicked, Everyone responds different to Interf and Ribiviran,, I was never the same after treatment,,its been 4yrs now...I went through maj depression,,lost 65lbs..The pain it caused in my neck,shoulders was extremely unbearable..Its like the interferon atacked all the weak points of my body.. i lost memory,motor skills,It brought out anger like you would not belive.. i was never like that before..to this day i feel very short fused..,,i went from 220 to 156,,with out mj i wouldve fell through my own ass..and it sure helped me keep the little saneity i had left..If you know anyone going through this, give them support.You dont know how they feel behind closed doors...Knowing you may die from a deadly virus is alot weight on 0nes shoulders ecspecialy when doing Interferon.It phucks your mind!!. I still ache,abdomial pain and no energy..Ive been try this new product,,Ill let you guys know how it works,heres were you can get it. hepcherba.com Thanks again MacGyver420 you hearts in the right place..Wonder what DR.Jay would say about this topic...what a good man he was.. Stay Healthy all Jimi P.s i have a Dr appt tomorrow, I did a complete liver panel, and viral load..Im waiting for results...Keep your fingers crossed...Jimi
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Hi,
I just wonder, do you still smoke?
I might have it too. I get my results this week.
It really sucks....
I still smoke (vape mostly). Had to quit alcohol though. If you test positive, don't freak. Make some healthy life choices and keep going. Check out the benefits of hemp seed oil, be extremely careful with herbal suppliments (even those recommended for liver health).
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MacGyver420- Thanks for the information.

I have a couple of questions for some of you but first I would like to say that I was tested positive for Hep-C last Tuesday. Now my question is is this new program in the EU also? And how should I prepare for this? I am waiting on the results of my second blood screening and have an appointment for the first on November. The MD said my blood work was normal and there was no hurry. What do I have to look forward to wit this?

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I still smoke (vape mostly). Had to quit alcohol though. If you test positive, don't freak. Make some healthy life choices and keep going. Check out the benefits of hemp seed oil, be extremely careful with herbal suppliments (even those recommended for liver health).
Hi festivus,
Thanks for your advice. I got my results yesterday and I am negative.
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That's awesome xxd!! Good Shit Indeed!!
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yes festivus, it is really awesome, I feel better now but I was ready as well to accept it if I would have been positive. But it´s better so .....
Now I can concentrate on my grow again, my Mandelas looking good and growing like crazy.
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Hello all.. This is a very interesting thread that you've got going here!
And since I also have had my life tuned upside down with the alien-virus, [Hep.C] and from all the research that I've put into working on a "cure" for this life threatening liver disease, I thought that I'd share some info. with you good guys here.. if that would be okay with you?
To start with; I believe that one should realize that "Hep.C", B,A etc. means "Inflammation of the Liver". I personally refer to hep.c as an alien-virus, due to it's nature...it's as if it has it's own intelligence, similar to humans, in the aspect that when the virus is under 'attack', by treatment, herbs, etc. it will respond by either "fleeing", [going deeper within the liver to hide], or it will fight back by mutating it's own defenses against the chemical compounds which are being used against it.. This is why so little advancement has been done in the way of modern med. to come up with a "cure" for the disease..
As for the interferon treatments, be it alpha or otherwise, does show some results with those mild to moderate acute cases, but with those over 48 yrs old, and/or at or near the chronic stage of damage, the odds of temp. results are decreased drastically, with higher odds favoring the disease returning with a vengence within 2 to 5 yrs after initial treatment, [At best, it's a temp. fix with the odds stacked against you that you might not see any results at all...with the exceptions that you might suffer increased damage from the side effects of taking the interferon treatment.]
Personally speaking, it's an individual choice, with takers-beware!
There are liver specialist that knows the in's and out's of the disease, but the only problem is that you'll be asked to go through a long line of test for evaluations, "prep-work", before you get to see the head guru in this field, the various doctors up the chain of command, and each of their tests etc. can take between one to two months normally, and at a cost of approx. $5K to $10K prior to the evaluations of liver specialist, who will want end scopes etc. before he'll feed you a line about getting you on a liver transplant list, in cases of Chronic Hep.C.
Most often a doctor will want to give you the vaccine shot for hep.B also, which is okay if you want your RNA levels to sky rocket for the next 9 to 24 months before they can become normalized again.. There's only 15 out of 100 hep.c patients who come down with the hep.B after getting the hep.C virus, so when I found out about this tid-bit info..I told em' "Thanks but NO thanks!" And there's simply no need for the hep.A vaccine shot unless you ever here of a major out break of that virus in this country.
There is a "wake~up" call, to reality with the so called 'liver-transplant' issue, the chronic hep.c patients are no longer chosen for transplants, due to the fact that the virus is blood circulated, and therefore too high of a risk that the virus would simply infect even a new liver... Though a new liver can be purchased at around 1 Ml. from the last that I've researched into this issue.
But of course, this is not told to you, the liver-transplant list is still used today for "hope", so that you won't simply walk-out on the specialist before he can finish with all of this "testings and procedures first"..
As they say, "I've been there-done that".. it's pretty much the same no matter what state you live in..
Herbal treatments are by far the best alternative, and going to see one or two different Natural Path doctors, [usually found at larger hospitals] especially if the Natural Path doc. is well experienced with this disease.
There's a lot of herbal products out there, offering treatment formula's that cost over hundreds of $$ per month. It seems the greater the cost of those monthly treatment plans, the greater the hype about their success...so take the time to do the research concerning these formula's, and are they backed with "Lab. research & tested result/case studies?" Not just one study by one doctor, but how many patients were used by certified research labatories? How many documented results from other research labs.? ...again...buyers beware... even though the high priced formula's "might prove" effective for some cases, to what cases have they proven to have been tested upon?... I've found that doing your own research and buying the bulk herbs by the pound is far less expensive than paying a 1,000% mark up just because someone puts the herbs together for you...
I read that is was mentioned about the "Reshi" mushrooms, red variety, within this thread, and with respect, this is a good mushroom to take along with hep.c treatment, but "more isn't necessarily better"... again...beware how much you take per day, [500MG. per day is normal], Reshi for the liver, {red} certainly does "amp" the bodies own interferrons, however, it also causes the liver to "Swell" [Inflammation] when taken in higher doses. Personally, I think it's a wicked herb. that's hard to take in a tea form, so I took it for awhile by putting the powder into 500MG. capsules..
Milk Thistle extracts is not only among the two top selling liver herbs. sold in the world, but it can regenerate the liver cells and reverse some of the cirrhosis damage too.. I get my supplies for this from Swanson's vitamin company, called Advantage Milk Thristle, 525MG.caps taken 3 times a day.
Dandelion Root removes toxins from blood and reduces brain fog, especially when taken along with 10 tabs. of Wheatgrass twice daily... This combo alone will bring those ALT levels back within the normal range within a few months.
Cat's claw, I can't say enough about this wonder herb.. though it's also a "wicked" herb. to try to make it into a tea...but it only takes me about 30 min. to whip out 50 of the "00" [500mg.]capsules of it with my $20. capsule making machine. The supplies for cat's claw I get from Starwest herbs. also bulpurum and a few others that I use as secondary tea mixes.
For the stomach and lower GI. problems, that are so often created after a few months on treatment herbs, one needs to brush up on how to use a blender to make a daily supply of veggie juices, to restore those needed stomach enzymes, and get on some probiotics right away straight, or start eating two eggs every day for the natural lecithin found in the whites of the eggs..also eat Yogart for the natural bacterial that the lower GI needs to accompany the digestion of the food intake.. Oats helps greatly to smooth the stomach too. Swansons sells an "Ultimate Probiotic Formula" for less than $10. for a 30 supply. Last but not least, is learn how to eat..I know this sounds corney, but it's vital to your treatment plan, simply because Hep.C has many of the same attributes as HIV does, and the auto immune functions heads south if not actively maintained... An example of learned how to eat, is never eat fruits, [acids] before having a protein type meal, as the natural fruits digestion will be halted while the digestive processed start working for the proteins digestion, resulting in bowl gas, and undigested acids which later fermint in the system and leaves the system overloaded and upset..usually painful signs will be noticed.
~Back to the herb. info..my "Primary" tea that I drink 3 times daily, is my own formula, that is more so a dose dependant tea mix, that I use to drastically reduce the RNA levels anytime they show any rise at all... also has kept my AST and ALT within normal range.. Actually this isn't hard to do, as trial and error, I've worked with a number of different herbal blends, and actually, like to do a "switch or trade-off" to another formula about every 3 months just to keep the aliens guessing! :-}
I've been doing some researching into the "Snake-bite" anti-veniens, which I believe might become a "cure" for hep.c with my most recent extract [5:1], tea formula...but time will tell about this too..:-}

WOW...guess I got a little carried away with the "info" here....[the spirit of wanting to help others kicked in I guess], will make another post of the "formula's" if anyone is interested, they certainly are cheap enough to make at home for ones own treatments if needed..
Peace...Love...and Happy trials to all! Rick
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