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mean mr.mustard · 10-27-2009, 02:40 AM

Those are some nice lookin beanz!

Mrs.Babba · 10-27-2009, 04:00 AM

Thread Stickied

good info, thanks!

UnknownProphet · 10-28-2009, 05:53 AM

I'm really glad this got stickied thanks Mrs. Babba

I hope anyone with some extra seeds to spare can hopefully run some experiments and document their results. Even if for just germ rates. Getting an actual germination rate; in ratio to time and temperature will hopefully help those wanting to conserve genetics over an elongated time period. I for one have some great genes that I currently can not grow out I want to preserve them and by knowing the best storage method I can at least have a fighting chance over the years.

I'll have pictures soon enough but for now the majority of my plants are cut and curing, with the deseeded branches kept separate. I deseeded most of branches and kept a couple branches with seeds drying. I put the seeds, minus all leaf material in to labeled coffee filters and stacked them. I give them a little shake every day and they sit in a dark closet that gets no light. I still want to get some desiccants for the final bag up before going into the fridge, but think it may be a little over kill. Whatever though better safe than sorry.

For now this little mutant my friends plant made will have to hold you over...

ʇǝɥdoɹPuʍouʞuU

10-30-2009, 02:02 PM

heres a little update about my AUTO seeds .

seeds were dryed in the bud for 10 days then picked and placed into enverlopes and put someware dark and dry for 14 days . then i got 10 seeds from each strain (10 NYLD AND 10 NYCD ) placed them on tisue in a takeway box then sprayed wet and covered with more tisue and put the lid on . then placed the tub in to a airing cubboad . heat in there is no more that 22c.
36 hours later 5 out of 10 of each strain has popped .

heres a cpl of pics .

NYCD

NYLD

nobull56 · 10-30-2009, 06:23 PM

One of the things we have not talked about is:
Each seed has a little sack like water resistant clear covering. This protects the seed from some moisture & early in the seeds life it is more permeable to water. As the protective covering gets older it becomes more ‘water proof’ & needs to be ‘scuffed’ so moisture can get inside & trigger the sprouting. Some fresh seeds have a super quick protector to assure that some seeds will survive those extra wet years.

This birthed the idea of placing sandpaper inside a match box, placing seeds inside & shaking the whole thing. You can find this process in some of the grow books. Some of the early Seed Banks used to package their seeds in match boxes for this purpose.

It works, if you run germination tests with un-scuffed & scuffed seeds, you will find one or two (sometimes more) additional seeds will pop in the scuffed seeds.
Keep it green

Hydrobud33 · 11-19-2009, 02:04 AM

This thread is great! I am about to harvest Joey's C-99 x Blueberry which I crossed with one of her brothers and was wondering if all ripe seeds pop out of their shells or will they be done when the plant is done? I have a few seeds popping out but most of the pods are not open or they are but seeds are still green. Thanks for a reply and great info so far guys!

nobull56 · 11-19-2009, 04:10 AM

I've found that over half of seeds of the breeds I’m seeing, have tight ‘calyxes’ & need help getting out of the bracts. I’ll try to up load some pics of how I do it.
Let your seeds dry (on/ in) the plant longer if you are getting a lot of green color & they will darken. Though I have a ‘Ice’ cross that stayed a light green, with 90%+ germination rate.

Centrum · 11-19-2009, 10:06 PM

I think drying them out in anything cardboard or paper like an envelope for about 2 weeks after the initial drying process is the best way to absorb the maximum amount of moisture. If you have ever worked with cardboard the evidence is on your dry cracked hands.
So about 3 or 4 weeks all together is a good method for initial drying.

If i don't freeze them first.
My germ rates aren't as good.

At least a 2 week freeze, a month or two would be better i think.

UnknownProphet · 11-26-2009, 01:45 AM

Finally got around to some pictures of the crosses I made. All turned out very dark-to-tan with next to no immature seeds. I think the Red Dragon cross was the only one where I culled more than a handful of seeds.

All seeds were taken down on the last day of the sixth week, after the original pollination. I don't have any space to run these at the moment, but I have gifted some out already so I might have some pictures of those relatively soon. If I know you and you are interested in doing a test run (a thread too) PM me and we'll see what I can do. Cali patients ONLY. Prop 215 and SB420 compliant.

Anyways with out further ado...
The whole lot...

All kept separate and tagged with plant #...

I let these dry for over a month compared to others and I will let you know if there's a difference in germ rates.

Red Dragon X NYCD

Blue Dream X NYCD

Gob9 X NYCD

NYCD#1 X NYCD

NYCD#2 X NYCD

NYCD#3 X NYCD

NYCD#4 X NYCD

NYCD#5 X NYCD

And some randoms...

Not trying to toot my own horn here, but I noticed with an elongated 6 almost 7 weeks created very uniform, hard, and dark seeds. Now I have an arsenal of seeds, from reputable breeders, and often not even every one in a while, I find immature, light, or even cracked seeds in "official packs". I realize now that a lot of these seed companies pump out seeds and probably don't let them go the full time they should. Anyways that being said...be patient, if you think it's ready.....wait another week.

ʇǝɥdoɹPuʍouʞuU

wotamess · 11-26-2009, 12:59 PM

wow 744 seeds in that group pic!! awesome work, UP!

my collection and storage procedure is also pretty simple...

firstly the seed plants are my last harvest, to fulfill the ripening time... then they hang for as long as is possible/practical by which stage they are (hopefully!) bone dry...

i use newspaper as my main sorting implement. i cut the branches into manageable sections if necessary then gently crush them with my hands onto the newspaper until the seeds are free and then tilt the paper at and angle and sift the seeds out, which roll down into your hand... i'm south african, so it's pretty much second nature sifting seeds from weed like this

!! note - tabloid is the perfect size, emptied of about half it's contents.

once the seeds have been harvested, the are checked for bits/dead seeds and then in the bag, labelled and into the fridge. i don't dry them any extra as i dry the plants thoroughly. it's probably a wise move giving them some extra drying, but i've never worried about it and always had a good germ rate up to a year later (thus far!) still got heaps of f2's that will be heading for there second year as seeds by next years season...

as a note i breed/chuck with the goal of UK outdoor success... all projects done indoors using natural light from a big folding skylight...

last season it was lebanese cheese (leb'n'cheese - uk cheese cut x leb27) pollen used on leb'n'cheese females x 3 to create f2's and on danish passion/cheese x 1, sensi star (unselected cutting) x 1, and biddy's sister x 2...

this season decided to go with an auto seed run... all fully AF inbred lines...
auto mtf pollen (ch@ppers) used on auto mtf, auto biddy, auto indi (zed), and a range of 'mixed auto' ladies...

it's a dingy little mould prone spot, and the final product is usually scraggly mould stricken bushes, full of big, ripe beautiful seeds... lol... the seeds have been a great success, though, starring in some gardens last season... including my own... i'm rambling, thanks to lebanese cheese right now, actually!!

currently recovering from back surgery in bed, so IC is really doing me a favour!!

grow on

-wam-

10-27-2009, 02:40 AM	#21
mean mr.mustard I Pass Satellites Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Overturning Pebbles and Upending All the Animals Alight Posts: 6,418	Those are some nice lookin beanz! __________________ Life's most persistent and urgent question is, "What are you doing for others?" - Martin Luther King Jr. People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. - Bob Dylan Be good and you will be lonely. - Mark Twain How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world. - Anne Frank
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10-27-2009, 04:00 AM	#22
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10-28-2009, 05:53 AM	#23
UnknownProphet ʇǝɥdoɹPuʍouʞuU Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: In a river down by the van. Posts: 1,975	I'm really glad this got stickied thanks Mrs. Babba I hope anyone with some extra seeds to spare can hopefully run some experiments and document their results. Even if for just germ rates. Getting an actual germination rate; in ratio to time and temperature will hopefully help those wanting to conserve genetics over an elongated time period. I for one have some great genes that I currently can not grow out I want to preserve them and by knowing the best storage method I can at least have a fighting chance over the years. I'll have pictures soon enough but for now the majority of my plants are cut and curing, with the deseeded branches kept separate. I deseeded most of branches and kept a couple branches with seeds drying. I put the seeds, minus all leaf material in to labeled coffee filters and stacked them. I give them a little shake every day and they sit in a dark closet that gets no light. I still want to get some desiccants for the final bag up before going into the fridge, but think it may be a little over kill. Whatever though better safe than sorry. For now this little mutant my friends plant made will have to hold you over... ʇǝɥdoɹPuʍouʞuU
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10-30-2009, 02:02 PM	#24
cheesey Guest Posts: n/a	heres a little update about my AUTO seeds . seeds were dryed in the bud for 10 days then picked and placed into enverlopes and put someware dark and dry for 14 days . then i got 10 seeds from each strain (10 NYLD AND 10 NYCD ) placed them on tisue in a takeway box then sprayed wet and covered with more tisue and put the lid on . then placed the tub in to a airing cubboad . heat in there is no more that 22c. 36 hours later 5 out of 10 of each strain has popped . heres a cpl of pics . NYCD NYLD
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10-30-2009, 06:23 PM	#25
nobull56 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 322	One of the things we have not talked about is: Each seed has a little sack like water resistant clear covering. This protects the seed from some moisture & early in the seeds life it is more permeable to water. As the protective covering gets older it becomes more ‘water proof’ & needs to be ‘scuffed’ so moisture can get inside & trigger the sprouting. Some fresh seeds have a super quick protector to assure that some seeds will survive those extra wet years. This birthed the idea of placing sandpaper inside a match box, placing seeds inside & shaking the whole thing. You can find this process in some of the grow books. Some of the early Seed Banks used to package their seeds in match boxes for this purpose. It works, if you run germination tests with un-scuffed & scuffed seeds, you will find one or two (sometimes more) additional seeds will pop in the scuffed seeds. Keep it green __________________ Don’t just duplicate, Procreate! Happy Trails, Nobull56 Last edited by nobull56; 10-30-2009 at 06:25 PM.. Reason: More clear
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11-19-2009, 02:04 AM	#26
Hydrobud33 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 30	Perfect timing This thread is great! I am about to harvest Joey's C-99 x Blueberry which I crossed with one of her brothers and was wondering if all ripe seeds pop out of their shells or will they be done when the plant is done? I have a few seeds popping out but most of the pods are not open or they are but seeds are still green. Thanks for a reply and great info so far guys!
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11-19-2009, 04:10 AM	#27
nobull56 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 322	I've found that over half of seeds of the breeds I’m seeing, have tight ‘calyxes’ & need help getting out of the bracts. I’ll try to up load some pics of how I do it. Let your seeds dry (on/ in) the plant longer if you are getting a lot of green color & they will darken. Though I have a ‘Ice’ cross that stayed a light green, with 90%+ germination rate. __________________ Don’t just duplicate, Procreate! Happy Trails, Nobull56
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11-19-2009, 10:06 PM	#28
Centrum In search of Genetics Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the end of a Rainbow. Posts: 1,012	I think drying them out in anything cardboard or paper like an envelope for about 2 weeks after the initial drying process is the best way to absorb the maximum amount of moisture. If you have ever worked with cardboard the evidence is on your dry cracked hands. So about 3 or 4 weeks all together is a good method for initial drying. If i don't freeze them first. My germ rates aren't as good. At least a 2 week freeze, a month or two would be better i think. __________________ My best friend is a calculator named what if ! May the gods piss on your plants. May the worms shit in your roots. May your yield be so heavy, it splits both your boots. May the high fucking toast you and the buzz leave you calm. May the smoke be so smooth, you can hit twice as long. _____________________________ *DISCLAIMER: My intent is to appear to be a part of the counter culture represented by this website, and everything I present is fabricated and/or embellished. I am, in reality, not actually a part of, or in any way involved in, said counter culture.
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11-26-2009, 01:45 AM	#29
UnknownProphet ʇǝɥdoɹPuʍouʞuU Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: In a river down by the van. Posts: 1,975	Finally got around to some pictures of the crosses I made. All turned out very dark-to-tan with next to no immature seeds. I think the Red Dragon cross was the only one where I culled more than a handful of seeds. All seeds were taken down on the last day of the sixth week, after the original pollination. I don't have any space to run these at the moment, but I have gifted some out already so I might have some pictures of those relatively soon. If I know you and you are interested in doing a test run (a thread too) PM me and we'll see what I can do. Cali patients ONLY. Prop 215 and SB420 compliant. Anyways with out further ado... The whole lot... All kept separate and tagged with plant #... I let these dry for over a month compared to others and I will let you know if there's a difference in germ rates. Red Dragon X NYCD Blue Dream X NYCD Gob9 X NYCD NYCD#1 X NYCD NYCD#2 X NYCD NYCD#3 X NYCD NYCD#4 X NYCD NYCD#5 X NYCD And some randoms... Not trying to toot my own horn here, but I noticed with an elongated 6 almost 7 weeks created very uniform, hard, and dark seeds. Now I have an arsenal of seeds, from reputable breeders, and often not even every one in a while, I find immature, light, or even cracked seeds in "official packs". I realize now that a lot of these seed companies pump out seeds and probably don't let them go the full time they should. Anyways that being said...be patient, if you think it's ready.....wait another week. ʇǝɥdoɹPuʍouʞuU
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11-26-2009, 12:59 PM	#30
wotamess Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: neither here nor there. Posts: 599	wow 744 seeds in that group pic!! awesome work, UP! my collection and storage procedure is also pretty simple... firstly the seed plants are my last harvest, to fulfill the ripening time... then they hang for as long as is possible/practical by which stage they are (hopefully!) bone dry... i use newspaper as my main sorting implement. i cut the branches into manageable sections if necessary then gently crush them with my hands onto the newspaper until the seeds are free and then tilt the paper at and angle and sift the seeds out, which roll down into your hand... i'm south african, so it's pretty much second nature sifting seeds from weed like this !! note - tabloid is the perfect size, emptied of about half it's contents. once the seeds have been harvested, the are checked for bits/dead seeds and then in the bag, labelled and into the fridge. i don't dry them any extra as i dry the plants thoroughly. it's probably a wise move giving them some extra drying, but i've never worried about it and always had a good germ rate up to a year later (thus far!) still got heaps of f2's that will be heading for there second year as seeds by next years season... as a note i breed/chuck with the goal of UK outdoor success... all projects done indoors using natural light from a big folding skylight... last season it was lebanese cheese (leb'n'cheese - uk cheese cut x leb27) pollen used on leb'n'cheese females x 3 to create f2's and on danish passion/cheese x 1, sensi star (unselected cutting) x 1, and biddy's sister x 2... this season decided to go with an auto seed run... all fully AF inbred lines... auto mtf pollen (ch@ppers) used on auto mtf, auto biddy, auto indi (zed), and a range of 'mixed auto' ladies... it's a dingy little mould prone spot, and the final product is usually scraggly mould stricken bushes, full of big, ripe beautiful seeds... lol... the seeds have been a great success, though, starring in some gardens last season... including my own... i'm rambling, thanks to lebanese cheese right now, actually!! currently recovering from back surgery in bed, so IC is really doing me a favour!! grow on -wam- __________________ bloody marvellous!! ''cultivating the earth and reaping a fruitful crop, is like saying a thousand prayers''
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