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ItsAllOver · 10-06-2009, 10:39 PM

"Categorizing Cannabis Strains According to Benefits"

That's a link to a thread in the Strains and Hybrids board, and I think the concept could be applied to a new field in the strain guide form.
Talk to the originator, hippie_lettuce , about details. He's surely thought this out better than me.
Just throwing it out there.

**Skip** · 10-18-2009, 06:53 PM

Not a bad idea. However, we can't get into trouble "prescribing" strains for specific ailments. I really don't know how the dispensaries get away with it. My sister has an herb shop and she cannot "prescribe" or recommend anything for specific problems while she is working there. She can only do it when her shop is closed in a separate workshop or whatever.

However, anyone can go comment on a strain and say what they use it for. This won't be as good as searching for an illness and coming up with a list of strains.

Somehow it doesn't seem right to me to let "laymen" (or any man) prescribe different strains for those who might have serious medical conditions. I suppose if ppl already have a dr's recommendations, then it only remains to figure out which strain would be best.

It does seem that the big difference is between sativa and indica strains. Other than that it's more of personal preference, rather than unique characteristics of a given strain.

I see this more of a way for ppl to hype their favorite strains rather than providing definitive unbiased info.

ItsAllOver · 10-18-2009, 07:13 PM

I'm with you on that. I honestly never really considered it that way because I almost think that there's no way to make absolute statements about effect of cannabis strains anyway because things change on a person to person basis.

ibjamming · 12-02-2009, 02:12 AM

Why not? Herbalists do it all the time...got nausea?...try this...depressed?...make tea from this.

ChiHealthAlt · 02-17-2010, 06:40 PM

I'm planning on starting a dispensary after the law passes in my state and I plan on having a directory of sorts for patients to provide feedback on the strains they are using. It will give better recommendations to other patients from other patients without those recommendations being from the dispensers. Also, cannabis treatment is like acne treatment (as silly as that sounds). You work on providing a regimen that works best for each person. Though, unlike acne treatment, it usually it goes sativa in the morning, indica at night, and whatever keeps them happy, comfortable, and healthy in between.

Flying Goat · 02-28-2010, 04:51 PM

Exactly correct, Chi...

That's what makes cannabis so difficult to categorize - each person is an individual environment with no two alike...

Which is exactly why Big Pharma wants to keep prohibition - it would be so expensive for them to try to develop formulae for the masses... Years & years & billions & billions...

The CannaPharmacist knows our plant must go thru a period of trial & error with each individual patient (based on recommendations as a guide), to determine the medicinal effects specifically for that patient.

Only by 1 on 1 testing, breeding & stabilizing will we be able to provide medicine for patients...

I have not found seed descriptions to be very useful to this end... But that is marketing...

One reason I'm interested in the AFs is that for minimal investment & time & can test on specific patients & determine & quantify my results... for that patient ONLY. One can use anecdotal "evidence" as a guide, but nothing beats experience.

I rather like the idea of having a fully stocked "medicine cabinet," allowing me to blend a bit of this, a bit of that, until I get the mix right for the patient... Then, focus on breeding a plant for that patient's specific needs.

Of course, unlike Chi... we have LEO looking over our shoulders all the time down here in the severely repressed South...

Double Kindness · 04-04-2010, 04:39 AM

Chi- I feel exactly as you do, although I have found that some people act differently than others to the same strains. One strain I developed for most people, after the first 2 hits, each hit after that is how many hours you will be glued to the surface you were sitting on when it went into effect... but for 2 of my patients, then they had the same strain were bouncing off the walls while the rest of us were trying to talk to them with our minds.

Everyone cannabanoid receptors are different, but I have found through my decades of dedicated research that there are definately some better than others. I have found the best medicines for me, but I am always looking for my patients, and of couse I like variety, so it would be nice to be able to chose more than one type of strain out of the "medicine cabinet" for nausea or for joint pain, or muscle spasms, or insomnia, or if you're just feeling blah. It's much better than those anti-depressants that even advertise may casue psychosis and suicide as well as siezures and hear attack in young adults who may either turn into Lizzie Borden or some kind of cute cuddly mindless disney creature or something to that effect.... so puffing on some herb when having a specific sympom is seems like the much better route to go.

I'm not old by any stretch of the imagination (well, I guess to a 4 year old I might seem really old)and now thanks to "Big Pharma" my body can no longer retain potassium, I get extreme edema (swelling) in my legs, hands, feet, face, earlobes (LOL) and last year my doctor informed me and my husband that I am no longer healthy enough to have a child (40 is a few years away for me still) and it is because of phamramcuticals that I am worse off today than before I started taking them.

I'm lucky, my doctor has been constantly going to bat for me for 10 years. Funny, first it was to make sure I was getting painkillers because the orthopedic doctors wouldn't prescribe anything harder than celebrex, and worked with me when I thought my tolerance was getting too out of hand and we've tried all sorts of non traditional treatments to help deal with the pain. He was totally on board with signing the reccomendation for me to go on MMJ and said I'd be a perfect candidate for it. Over time he and I have talked more and ore about marijuana and how much it has been benefiting me. Me before MMJ is a totally different miserable person slowly being killed by big pharma. I still h ave to take pain medication, but not nearly as much, and there are even day and sometimes I have been able to go an entire week without having to use painkillers.

My Dr tells me many times that I will give him information about marijuana that surprises him, and he is usually pleasantly surprised. He doesn't write a lot of reccomendations for MMJ, and he is nervous about it and will only write the reccomendation for someone who h e has a real dr patient rlationship with and who really does need it. I was at the point that I looked like death was at my froont door banging loudly with a warrant to open up and now I look healthy and have color in my cheeks and a persoanlity that isn't reminiset of a t-rex.

Ok.. I'm uber stoned, so I hope this was somewhat helpful. Sometimes I can't tell.

And FG-I got your package girl, thanks for the cheese and nuts.

PoopyTeaBags · 04-04-2010, 04:54 AM

i talked to skip about this about 4 months ago he said he added it to the search function... but i never heard or seen anything about it since... good that someone got it going again... it needs to be in there after all its the best medicine in the world....

umm i just read skips statement about it being not good about prescribing strains for ailments... wtf skip??? you told me it was a great idea... and you were adding somehting to the search function.... im so confused now...

wtf happened?

thatguynotspam · 04-29-2010, 07:50 PM

Sounds like it would be a great platform for some one to have a seed bank that is for med growers only, liscensed peeps that is, that can do away with the descriptions that are designed to sell. It would be a bit of work to start, but you could do a sampling fairly easly to come up with a basis for what med quatlity a strain may possess. By eliminating casual smokers, and biased reviews, and focusing on good growers and honest feedback I think that you really could create a list of prescribable strains, or at least help narrow down the selection process for patients. Just my two cents..... thoughts?

Cindiwaa · 05-01-2010, 07:59 PM

I think everyone is different. A lot of people say they will medicate because of headaches, it just makes my head ache more. I do find it soothing for chemo, not sure what it does for me but it just takes the edge off a long chemo day. It doesn't make my appetite go out of control, but I have somehow been able to keep myself at a steady weight during chemo, so I have to say that medicating must help with that. I hurt my back really bad the other day and I will definately say that medicating helped me with that.

With that being said, I have a friend that owns a dispensary and she never, ever gives out adivce on how to medicate and what to medicate with, although there are classes for that. She will however recommend what other patients have said for instance. "I have had customers say that this certain strain helps with nausea" etc....She is very good at listening to her customers and what they have to say about her medicine. She is also very good at saying that everyone is different and a person may have to try different strains, ways to use the medication to find what benefits that individual. I have been to other dispensaries where they will actually point out a certain strain and say "this works for nausea, this works for back problems, etc" which kind of bothered me because what they were pointing out is the most expensive medicine of course. My friend does not do that.

10-06-2009, 10:39 PM	#1
ItsAllOver Devil's Advocate Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: La La Land Posts: 933	"Categorizing Cannabis Strains According to Benefits" "Categorizing Cannabis Strains According to Benefits" That's a link to a thread in the Strains and Hybrids board, and I think the concept could be applied to a new field in the strain guide form. Talk to the originator, hippie_lettuce , about details. He's surely thought this out better than me. Just throwing it out there. __________________ Take everything you hear or read with a grain of salt. A good attitude is step 1 to a good life. Life Rafts - Floating Bubble Cloner Cloning Form - Demystifying Cloning! (hopefully) ------------------------------------ "Always do whatever's next." "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?" RIP George Carlin ------------------------------------ *Money as Debt* - Failure is built into our world economic system. You need to understand why. Begin your search here. Are we really still talking about god?
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10-18-2009, 06:53 PM	#2
Skip Let's Get Small! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,456	Not a bad idea. However, we can't get into trouble "prescribing" strains for specific ailments. I really don't know how the dispensaries get away with it. My sister has an herb shop and she cannot "prescribe" or recommend anything for specific problems while she is working there. She can only do it when her shop is closed in a separate workshop or whatever. However, anyone can go comment on a strain and say what they use it for. This won't be as good as searching for an illness and coming up with a list of strains. Somehow it doesn't seem right to me to let "laymen" (or any man) prescribe different strains for those who might have serious medical conditions. I suppose if ppl already have a dr's recommendations, then it only remains to figure out which strain would be best. It does seem that the big difference is between sativa and indica strains. Other than that it's more of personal preference, rather than unique characteristics of a given strain. I see this more of a way for ppl to hype their favorite strains rather than providing definitive unbiased info.
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10-18-2009, 07:13 PM	#3
ItsAllOver Devil's Advocate Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: La La Land Posts: 933	I'm with you on that. I honestly never really considered it that way because I almost think that there's no way to make absolute statements about effect of cannabis strains anyway because things change on a person to person basis. __________________ Take everything you hear or read with a grain of salt. A good attitude is step 1 to a good life. Life Rafts - Floating Bubble Cloner Cloning Form - Demystifying Cloning! (hopefully) ------------------------------------ "Always do whatever's next." "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?" RIP George Carlin ------------------------------------ *Money as Debt* - Failure is built into our world economic system. You need to understand why. Begin your search here. Are we really still talking about god?
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12-02-2009, 02:12 AM	#4
ibjamming Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,617	Why not? Herbalists do it all the time...got nausea?...try this...depressed?...make tea from this.
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02-17-2010, 06:40 PM	#5
ChiHealthAlt New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 8	I'm planning on starting a dispensary after the law passes in my state and I plan on having a directory of sorts for patients to provide feedback on the strains they are using. It will give better recommendations to other patients from other patients without those recommendations being from the dispensers. Also, cannabis treatment is like acne treatment (as silly as that sounds). You work on providing a regimen that works best for each person. Though, unlike acne treatment, it usually it goes sativa in the morning, indica at night, and whatever keeps them happy, comfortable, and healthy in between.
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02-28-2010, 04:51 PM	#6
Flying Goat Goat Herd Queen & Cannabitch Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Deep South Posts: 631	Exactly correct, Chi... That's what makes cannabis so difficult to categorize - each person is an individual environment with no two alike... Which is exactly why Big Pharma wants to keep prohibition - it would be so expensive for them to try to develop formulae for the masses... Years & years & billions & billions... The CannaPharmacist knows our plant must go thru a period of trial & error with each individual patient (based on recommendations as a guide), to determine the medicinal effects specifically for that patient. Only by 1 on 1 testing, breeding & stabilizing will we be able to provide medicine for patients... I have not found seed descriptions to be very useful to this end... But that is marketing... One reason I'm interested in the AFs is that for minimal investment & time & can test on specific patients & determine & quantify my results... for that patient ONLY. One can use anecdotal "evidence" as a guide, but nothing beats experience. I rather like the idea of having a fully stocked "medicine cabinet," allowing me to blend a bit of this, a bit of that, until I get the mix right for the patient... Then, focus on breeding a plant for that patient's specific needs. Of course, unlike Chi... we have LEO looking over our shoulders all the time down here in the severely repressed South... __________________ American Indians - Fighting terrorism since 1694. Welcome to the Reservation, y'all..
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04-04-2010, 04:39 AM	#7
Double Kindness Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: mile high Posts: 482	Chi- I feel exactly as you do, although I have found that some people act differently than others to the same strains. One strain I developed for most people, after the first 2 hits, each hit after that is how many hours you will be glued to the surface you were sitting on when it went into effect... but for 2 of my patients, then they had the same strain were bouncing off the walls while the rest of us were trying to talk to them with our minds. Everyone cannabanoid receptors are different, but I have found through my decades of dedicated research that there are definately some better than others. I have found the best medicines for me, but I am always looking for my patients, and of couse I like variety, so it would be nice to be able to chose more than one type of strain out of the "medicine cabinet" for nausea or for joint pain, or muscle spasms, or insomnia, or if you're just feeling blah. It's much better than those anti-depressants that even advertise may casue psychosis and suicide as well as siezures and hear attack in young adults who may either turn into Lizzie Borden or some kind of cute cuddly mindless disney creature or something to that effect.... so puffing on some herb when having a specific sympom is seems like the much better route to go. I'm not old by any stretch of the imagination (well, I guess to a 4 year old I might seem really old)and now thanks to "Big Pharma" my body can no longer retain potassium, I get extreme edema (swelling) in my legs, hands, feet, face, earlobes (LOL) and last year my doctor informed me and my husband that I am no longer healthy enough to have a child (40 is a few years away for me still) and it is because of phamramcuticals that I am worse off today than before I started taking them. I'm lucky, my doctor has been constantly going to bat for me for 10 years. Funny, first it was to make sure I was getting painkillers because the orthopedic doctors wouldn't prescribe anything harder than celebrex, and worked with me when I thought my tolerance was getting too out of hand and we've tried all sorts of non traditional treatments to help deal with the pain. He was totally on board with signing the reccomendation for me to go on MMJ and said I'd be a perfect candidate for it. Over time he and I have talked more and ore about marijuana and how much it has been benefiting me. Me before MMJ is a totally different miserable person slowly being killed by big pharma. I still h ave to take pain medication, but not nearly as much, and there are even day and sometimes I have been able to go an entire week without having to use painkillers. My Dr tells me many times that I will give him information about marijuana that surprises him, and he is usually pleasantly surprised. He doesn't write a lot of reccomendations for MMJ, and he is nervous about it and will only write the reccomendation for someone who h e has a real dr patient rlationship with and who really does need it. I was at the point that I looked like death was at my froont door banging loudly with a warrant to open up and now I look healthy and have color in my cheeks and a persoanlity that isn't reminiset of a t-rex. Ok.. I'm uber stoned, so I hope this was somewhat helpful. Sometimes I can't tell. And FG-I got your package girl, thanks for the cheese and nuts.
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04-04-2010, 04:54 AM	#8
PoopyTeaBags State Liscensed Care Giver/Patient, Assistant Trailer Park Supervisor Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Man-Whorin' for Cheeseburgers Posts: 4,875	i talked to skip about this about 4 months ago he said he added it to the search function... but i never heard or seen anything about it since... good that someone got it going again... it needs to be in there after all its the best medicine in the world.... umm i just read skips statement about it being not good about prescribing strains for ailments... wtf skip??? you told me it was a great idea... and you were adding somehting to the search function.... im so confused now... wtf happened? __________________ Poopy teabags Soma and Grindhouse Completed https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=160996 Prophets actually get flowered out Completed https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=180811 LVPK and Reclining Buddha RDWC https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=199088 BAAAAM! Peanut Butter & JAAAAM!
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04-29-2010, 07:50 PM	#9
thatguynotspam Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 60	Sounds like it would be a great platform for some one to have a seed bank that is for med growers only, liscensed peeps that is, that can do away with the descriptions that are designed to sell. It would be a bit of work to start, but you could do a sampling fairly easly to come up with a basis for what med quatlity a strain may possess. By eliminating casual smokers, and biased reviews, and focusing on good growers and honest feedback I think that you really could create a list of prescribable strains, or at least help narrow down the selection process for patients. Just my two cents..... thoughts? __________________ This post is a figment of your imagination!! Nothing you are reading is real! I am a writer and this is entertainment. Once again, this is a figment of imagination!! Nothing you read here is real or factual!! I love our Government!! The USA ROCKS!!!
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05-01-2010, 07:59 PM	#10
Cindiwaa Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Land of the Free, Home of the Brave Posts: 148	I think everyone is different. A lot of people say they will medicate because of headaches, it just makes my head ache more. I do find it soothing for chemo, not sure what it does for me but it just takes the edge off a long chemo day. It doesn't make my appetite go out of control, but I have somehow been able to keep myself at a steady weight during chemo, so I have to say that medicating must help with that. I hurt my back really bad the other day and I will definately say that medicating helped me with that. With that being said, I have a friend that owns a dispensary and she never, ever gives out adivce on how to medicate and what to medicate with, although there are classes for that. She will however recommend what other patients have said for instance. "I have had customers say that this certain strain helps with nausea" etc....She is very good at listening to her customers and what they have to say about her medicine. She is also very good at saying that everyone is different and a person may have to try different strains, ways to use the medication to find what benefits that individual. I have been to other dispensaries where they will actually point out a certain strain and say "this works for nausea, this works for back problems, etc" which kind of bothered me because what they were pointing out is the most expensive medicine of course. My friend does not do that.
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