[8Ven1om8]

I 100% agree with the bit about the Ghost OG and how it packs flavor.
IMO she is one of/if not the best Kush when it comes down to flavor and nose.

Now, as far as the the pinene smell, of all the times I have fucked up my girls, the ONLY terpene I can surely say was there was pinene. Why? I don't know, but I do know that alpha pinene is one of the most if not the most abundant terpene across cannabis genetics. That is not to say every single strain will have it, but you better be damn sure that a lot will.

I have grown out A LOT of different strains, pinene has almost always been there.

The only 'Kushs' i have come across that don't give pinene at least as a layer amongst other terpenes are ones that are clearly leaning towards a headband type genetics where its more so fuel than anything else.

I am just genuinely surprised that someone can grow out genetics that contain at least 50% OGK and not have pinene. As I always finger rub the girls here and there throughout flowering to figure out what terpene they're packing on when, I have noticed pinene and the 'sweet kush' smells associated with OGK to be the first terpenes to be giving off stenches in the early weeks of flower. Later weeks of flower bring the fuel/earthiness/dank.

As someone stated pinene and limonene are related, so yes maybe pinene is getting converted into limonene if you let your girls go too long. For example, the ghost I run is best at 68-73 IMVHO. Beyond that you will be floored after a couple nice rips of a J, I don't care for your tolerance level. I have noticed the flavor does change after day 70 of healthy grow, now this could be due to overripeness or more terpenes are being packed on late by the girls and thus overpowering the pinene scent/taste, we all know that the fuel/kush smell always overpowers any other smell in the room lol. I personally think the fuel smell is alpha myrcene combined with other smells, as alpha myrcene is also found in mangos and we don't smell fuel from mangos, at least i don't.

Alpha myrcene is also the terpene responsible for indica sedating effects, and i believe if ur herb contains more than 0.5% or something like that, maybe less, of this terpene, then you are surely to get the sedating effect assuming the bud itself has potency.

So before I go off on tangents about each terpene and throw numbers and 'facts' out there from memory, lemme say this:

I have never grow kush with little to no pinene, even the worst grows have had it.

Anybody interested, google the most abundant terpenes in cannabis, and also google what pinene does as far as synergistic effects with thc and other cannabinoids. In short: its a bronchodilator and might even counteract the psychoactive components of thc.

With THAT being said, i PERSONALLY don't care for much pinene in my kush, i find it to be the most generic smell associated with kush, the smell that every grower can bring out (and i do not say this to insult anybody). In my experiencesssssssssssssss, every time I have been handed a nug or elbow or anything of kush, the most common terpene has been pinene. Rather boring, Just from that alone I know the grower either used something with no microbiology to speak of and only hit the girls with heavy salts, or not the right genetics or anything close.

[8Ven1om8]

https://www.medicaljane.com/category...-terpene-wheel

Not scientific literature by any means, but absolutely fun and anyone who's anyone that grows, should at least take a look at this.

I must say I have been a terpene junkie for quite some time now, and I can honestly say just by smell alone, I can pin point almost exactly what high I am going to get pretty much every time.

Pinene= bronchodilator, helps with cardio associated with any physical activity... helps counteract racy THC effects, sharpness is increased.

limonene=antidepressant, make you happy, euphoria, great for gastric/intestinal issues ( I do not remember the last time I had acid reflux, I have changed nothing but smoke strains with 'lemon' smell and even at like crazy those days due to munchies, never the slightest heartburn.

myrcene= couch lock, stone, back of ur eyes. kush. dank.

and many many many others obviously... but ya...

So my assessment of a typical kush nug that doesn't have very unique features distinguishing it from other kush? Put the above three together.

I will have a euphoric rush, yet be stoned and spacey, and if i decide to fight the couch lock and be active, i got the pinene keeping me sharp.

Why am I only giving my assessment based on the terpenes and completely disregarding the thc levels and cbd cbn and 20+ other cannabinoids? Well, after consuming those compounds for countless times in the form of ANY WEED OTHER THAN AAAA+++++ head stash, the generic high gets pretty familiar in my head, and I am SURE it does for oh so many who happen to be smoking anything but head stash (what I consider head stash and any OG vet does as well).

So where does that leave us? And why are experienced smokers always looking for that dank smell and taste? Cuz they know the effects that come with it

Respect the terpene game my friends.

With a combination of 200+ terpenes, 20+ cannabinoids, I forgot how many damn flavonoids, the possibilities of 'unique' highs are statistically very very high lol. Unfortunately, mediocre weed or anything but absolute top dank, brings out the generic high and no character of its own.

[PoweredByLove]

Originally Posted by KulaKush

I'm surprised no one has really answered your question correctly here. Where are all the real OG Kush Growers At? I ran into this thread and read it since I also had the same questions back in the day. I'm from the SFV and I been growing the clone only "Sativa Dominant OG Kush" and a bunch of all the other commercial "Indica Dominant OG Kush" that have flooded and diluted the quality of the OG market here in LA and the SFV. I've come across, seen, grown and sampled a shit load of different types of OG Kush strains that are currently out there. All these names are just marketing gimmicks done by certain breeders and growers that have a pheno of the "real deal" and call it "Whatever" OG Kush. Don't get me wrong they've done a great job to capture the look, the crystals the big bugs etc but they all pack a decent punch compared to any other non OG strain. But where all these commercial strains fail is at the smell, taste and the overall high.

You want the strong smell, taste and full flavor of the real go kush? The most important thing is? GENETICS. Second is environment and nutrients and Third is the drying and curing which is the obvious..."Fundamentals"

Their is a reason why everyone always tells me. Damn your shit smells the most. It has the best flavor and the high is energetic and euphoric. Bringing this narcotic type warmth feeling inside you that makes you feel good and sparking artistic creative energy inside you. At lest for me it does.

From the looks of the info you have provided it seems to me that you may not have the real go kush clone. Cause I could piss on that plant and still have it come out with the strong odor and full flavor taste. As long as I Don't burn the plant. The real Sativa dominant OG Kush clone is a very light feeder. It's a real skinny, finicky bitch that doesn't forgive. You feed her wrong, or you get bugs on her like spider mites then your weight is axed in 1/2. Big losses people pissed etc.. While the other commercial OG's you can have bugs, over feed the hell out of it and still pull 1.5- 1.75 lbs per 1000 watt. Where as the real bitch will give you 0.75-1.0 lbs per 1000 watts under the same conditions. It takes 1/2 the nutrient strength fed to the bigger and most robust Indica dominant OG Kush Phenos. Most people that try growing usually burn it and it ends up turning out darker than normal but the smell and taste can be full flavored as well under these conditions.

PINEY VS LEMONY VS LEMONY/PINEY

All shit aside. I spend about 25% on nutrients compared to what the average OG Kush grower spends. The key is to keep it simple and OLD SCHOOL. This is how they did it back in the day assuming you have the real deal Sativa OG Kush Clone. You can try it with the other commercial OG and you will get a variation in taste as well from Piney to Lemony but not noticeable and prominent like the "real deal" The smell is so strong that after trim sessions I've changed all my clothes, taken a shower and when I go into a room people are still like damn you smell good what you smoking.

AND ONE LAST THING. FOR TASTE. MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU ARE TAKING DOWN YOUR BUDS, MOST YOUR LEAVES ARE YELLOW FROM SLOWLY BRINGING THE PPM'S DOWN AFTER WEEK 6, you almost got to starve them or run them right under optimal so the leaves start losing their green slowly making your bud have that rich full flavor.

Old School Recipe #1 (Piney)

Base Nutrient: SBA,SBB
Blooming agent: Start with Monster Bloom and finish with Over Drive
Silica: Pro Silicate
Carbs: Carbo Load

Old School Recipe #2 (Lemony)

Base Nutrient: SBA,SBB
Blooming agent: Start with Big Bud and finish with Over Drive
Silica: Pro Silicate
Carbs: Carbo Load

Old School Recipe #3 (Lemony/Piney)

Base Nutrient: SBA,SBB
Blooming agent: Start with Monster, then Big Bud & finish with Over Drive
Silica: Pro Silicate
Carbs: Carbo Load

accidentally stumbled into this thread...i'm suprised no one repped this post. this dude has the answer to not only ogk but all weed. you wanna feed enough but not too much then gradually bring it down and let em fade out before chop. bam! flavors and smells.

[jdkronyk101]

if it doesnt smell of lemon/pinesol/fuel , then you just have the wrong cut..or did something very wrong. the fuel gene is recessive, so the crossing of O.G.'s has led to the watered down lesser smelling imitations on the market today. since you must also have a male pollen that carries the fuel genes through as true breeding, it has been very difficult for folks to recreate the original. take rez's work, SD backcross after SD backcross, crossed with the chem, back to the SD, and in his own posts he clearly admits that none were of the quality and concentration of smell as the original ECSD cut. its the same way for the OG... here in the triangle OG is a dime a dozen, the underground cut salesman has the right cut, the dispensarys/collectives all have imposters. I have gotten good fuel from DARK HEARTS Stardawg, Chem 4,and Sour Deisel. but nothing compared to the true lemon pinesol fuel from any one of the many cutmen in southern humboldt...
if you are having to tweak your grow to get the lemon pinesol fuel to come out you've already missed the boat. not that many of the crosses aren't winners, they are just not as loud and proud. if you are missing the lemon pinesol you are more on the headband spectrum...all fuel... if you are missing the fuel/pinesol you are more on the lemon(ie lemon larry) side of the spectrum.
we have found that all of the lemon pinesol fuel phenos/types out there are most certainly directly related if not just different versions of the same original cross, or mother for that matter. growers styles and system types can
make the differences we all assume are separate cuts (i.e. HA,Tahoe,SFV). all of which carry the same/similar Terp profiles, and Flavors, as well as growth structures. Here in So-Hum, its either OG or its not..Loud Proud Lemon Pinesol Fuel...
Currently there is the Blood Diamond O.G....how is it different? i wonder...lol

[GuyManDude]

i wonder if the above would help with bringing out the skunk in certain strains......

[KulaKush]

Originally Posted by PoweredByLove

accidentally stumbled into this thread...i'm suprised no one repped this post. this dude has the answer to not only ogk but all weed. you wanna feed enough but not too much then gradually bring it down and let em fade out before chop. bam! flavors and smells.

Here is a secrete I want to share with all of you on how to get the most weight, best smell and taste for your buds that your genetics allow. My experience lies in mostly growing OG Kush but this technique works for any strain. This is how I'm able to get the best taste and smell for my OG Kush and why it sells for top dollar across dispensaries in the San Fernando Valley. Most places call it PR or Kula Kush

There are so many nutrient schedules out there and my 16 year experience in growing OG Kush has taught me to throw them all away because every single strain including OG strains have unique feed schedule. I must stress to you all the importance of dialing in your plants hydroponically to feed them at their most optimal rates. How do you dial in a plant? Let's take my OG kush as an example. I learned to dial in my OG strain to bring it to its full potential by carefully listening to her run off PPM rates of change. What do I mean by this?

If you go week by week and listen to your plant after every feed then you know when you need to flush and feed it with higher or lower ppm for that specific NPK ratio for its current weekly stage. It's that simple and my experience has shown me to feed high ppm initially and start to bring them down by week 5 slightly lowering the ppm over the last 4 weeks for my 9-10 week og kush plant I work with which is the 90's sativa looking lanky OG cut from Breal. At the end of the harvest my leaves are yellow and they really pack weight last 2 weeks. I figure if my plant is still showing & spitting white hairs by week 7 then In the last 2 weeks they will really blossom. When I first started growing 16 years ago my plants would lose over 50% of their white hairs by week 7 & then I realized I had over fed them and stunted buds and made the plant want to finish budding faster s it senses problems. And the evidence soon became obvious after listening to them after every feed. This is how I dialed in my OG cut I have and the reason why it sits as top shelf at all dispensaries. Cause I learned exactly how to feed it by using this technique. You can do this with any strain and get the best looking, tasting and smelling weed that your genetics allow.

I use 6" Hugo blocks. Using 6-9 per light on average depending on veg time 3 - 4 weeks. Bring them in to flower between 15-18 inches max after topping them a couple of times and I really take advantage of my nets to create lateral growth when I start to see stretch. I don't let them get taller that 4 ft. 42-44 inches is my sweet height I prefer. I super crop bend branches and weave them through the nets to control this. And I pull out fan leaves after they stop their explosive growth period which is some time in week 3 depending if you are using any PGR's. The key to pulling big weight aside from having your environment and nutes dialed in is proper canopy structure and learning how to maximize cross lighting within your space. I make a mix and recirculate it for 3 days while I track the ppm runoff change. You save money on nutes and eliminate any deficiencies you might get over a 7 day recirculation period due to unproper topping of nutrient supplementation which can throw your NPK ratios off as different plants drink and use nutrients at different rates depending on the intensity of the light due to their position in the canopy area. The ones under the light tend to use more nutrient than ones further away from the intense light.

As far as the water i am using RO water but it can also be done with tap if your city water has low ppm like the San Fernando valley water which works perfect for OG kush. I just factor in that ppm but the important thing is not how high or low the ppm is in your mix. It's the change in runoff ppm that matters. If the change is decreasing your plant is happily drinking but if the change is increasing the ppm runoff after a couple days then your plant is spitting the nutrient and trying to balance itself out. So this tells me when I need to flush to balance her out. I don't flush once a week like these schedules tell you to. I tend to flush twice a week on average because that is what my strain tells me it wants. But this all depends on the strain and the change in ppm run off. This technique allows you to really dial in your nutes for maximum results. Most weight, best Taste and smell, best high your strain genetics permit.

My numbers speak for themselves. I pull 2.25 - 2.5 a light on 1000 watt digital ballast on a 4x4 area per hood. And Now that I've been using Gavita lights, I'm pulling 3.0 - 3.25 pounds of the best OG kush on a 4.8 x 5 area per gavita hood. For example I put 10 gavita pro 1000 hoods over a 2 rows of 5x24 which is 240 Sq ft. The equivalence of running a 14 1/2 lighter on digital ballast. All possible by dialing in the plant to its optimal feeding program. Don't believe all the hype out there. Just learn how to listen to your plants runoff ppm change and she will tell you exactly what to do next.

To sum this all up:

There is no 1 formula fits all approach. Take all the advice on feed schedules you read from books and magazines with a grain of sand. I can even tell you that my same formula may not work the same in a different location using the same exact strain. There are a tons of variables that effect the way the plant uptakes and responds to nutrients. Things like the humidity, temperature, macro climate, sealed or not sealed room, co2 or no co2 and finally how much light you give a plant.

The important thing is that you figure out the essential nutrients and their correct ratios for the week you are in with your plant. This is where you adjust the ratios between NPK. I've gotten my biggest yields on OG kush by literally flushing the last 3 weeks and barely feeding them anything because they were spitting. Other times I've had to feed more to get similar results.

Here is a numerical example on how I listen to the change in runoff ppm.

Make your mix say its at 1000 ppm. You give your plants enough water to see a few seconds of runoff coming from the rockwool at bottom to make sure you gave them a solid watering. Collect that runoff and then take ppm measurement. It should normally come back between 900-980 if plant is drinking fine. If it comes back like at 700-800 then your initial nutrient strength (ppm) is too low and you should increase the ppm of your solution next time. To save nutrients I recirculate a fresh mix for 3 days then either flush or repeat mix and process. For example day 1, I start at 1000 ppm, comes back at 900, Day 2 I feed at 900 and comes back at 840, day 3 I feed at 840 and comes back at 780. I repeat mix again at 1000.

In a bad case scenario when your plants are rejecting the nutrient. Say I feed at 1000 and then it comes back at 1120. I know I have to flush to bring them down. If the next day after flush I feed at 1000 again and they come back at 1050. Then I know my previous day flush was not good enough. Sometimes you need to flush 2-3 days to get them back on feeding mode. A sign to look for is pre mature withering white hairs. Your plants should still be spitting and having over 80% of white hairs in week 7 to continue growing. If you have over 50% brown hairs then your plant is most likely trying to finish off at this point and you will not get that explosive last 2 week monster bud growth.

The key is to listen to the change of ppm runoff in your plants. This will ensure you are optimally feeding them so they can produce their best results that their genetics allow. All the scientific stuff discussed in this thread is great. But comes with ambiguity and complications, especially if you are not an expert. My technique works for newbies and dummies.

[Adrien]

The OG classical flavor and smell game is multiply when the plant never suffer from heat at day and the night shift might be cold as fuck, some grower claim a 15 celcius night and 22-23 celcius day is bad, but in my case this is the key for incredible oil production and compact bud. (for the last week 10 celcius and lower at night and still 22 23 at day).

[Adrien]

The way the product dry and the level of dryness before to put in Jar is the other best way to keep the taste and smell, the best way to see if the weed is enough dry to Jar is when you can cut the coots in half with just flexion, some will say the weed is to dry but when you put the weed in jar (or bag) the resin will give just enough humidity to make perfect weed . if the branch show green color looking dont bag please!! wait untill the green is completly gone, because the humidity will kill everything.

Once jared you have to open the jar 2 - 3 time a day to evacuate the natural decomposition gas.





No need to say to hang the trimmed plant with branch for drying

[rjrom90]

The aroma we are looking for is a result of the plant using enzyme cofactors to synthesize turpenes. When the plant is provided with a full range of trace elements, it will synthesize a more diverse turpene profile.

[Rondon]

Right now Iam running half my room (4 x600 de) with Diamond Og and Cataract Kush and from the last batch...I expect HEAVY pinene and limonene flowers once fully dried and cured. My patients love that knockout stone. Cataract from DNA is very underrated if you want a heavy kush almost pure short indica/affie. Only drawback is the long veg times to get her up to size for flip. Heavy thick no stake branching that takes more time than a wiry lanky fast vegger. I take em both at peak ripeness after 9 weeks (a 3 to 7 day "window" after the 9).