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Old 09-20-2009, 03:18 AM #1
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What you've stumbled upon, if you're reading this, is the home base/bat-cave/tree house/secret lair of a group of gardeners who use the cultivation method Bio Box.

This is, perhaps, not a new term, I don't know. If anyone has used 'Bio Box' to describe some other gardening system or whatever, we're sorry, we didn't know. It is the current designation for a wide-sweeping style of gardening. The name isn't important, the significance lies in a sortof 'biological machine' that we heartily encourage you to build at home kids!

The sortof 'requirements' to build one of these machines are as follows:

Soil
oxygen injection
beneficial microbes

By combining these three elements in a specific way you create a supurb environment for those last-on-the-list-but-most-important microbes. Specifically: mycorrhizae fungus and aerobic bacteria.

By doing this, you get a huge, diverse city of organisms living in the medium in which you may grow plants. Their little metabolisms are ramped up far more than usual and they are able to consume and re-purpose a surprising variety of substances for plant use. Once grown strong, this biological machine is hell-bent on maintaining its desired surroundings. It can affect the soil chemistry in an astonishing number of ways. As a bi-product of this activity the microbes provide pH balancing, drought resistance, a secondary immune system, nutrient lock-out protection, chelate minerals, and a continuing list of bonuses brought about by a symbiotic relationship that is far older than any animal.

Now, how you go about providing for this environment brings us to a number of practical problems. How do you inject air into dirt? What keeps it from drying out? How do you make sure the air doesn't just cut a chanel up to the surface?
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These questions bring us to this:



The marginally-clever, stupidly-named Organic Bubble Bath Tubs

User DrunkenMessiah may have given the technique a stupid name, but I chose the mission-statement:

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So as we go along never once allow yourself to forget that we are here for Dirt. What we came from, what we will one day become again. Mother Nature then is on our side. What we are doing is coaxing her into our calm little boxes. We wish that she leave her unpredictability outside and come in with us to grow the ganjas
With this in mind, a few of us experimentally-minded gardeners hanging out in the organic hydro forums have pressed on developing this new form of cultivation.

The general idea is this:

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Any pot, any tub, any bucket, anything you can drill a hole in is a potential OBBT.

The essentials are all here, boiled down to their simplest known combination of components. From the bottom to the top:

Grey Blob:
an air stone hooked up to an appropriate pump. I'm picky with mine but to be honest there's no good goddamn reason you can't run it off any ole air pump, aquarium, 2 watts, whatever. I've been lead to suspect that the minimum air requirements are very low. Don't know how low, you just need 'some'

Protrusion:
Perhaps the simplest way of getting a straight overflow drain with air-loss protection. It acts like a u-bend keeping air from the stone going where it needs to be: through the medium. Also, if you can get the vertical part of it to be transperant tube somehow then you have yourself a built-in sight tube that tells you how full the res is.

Blue line:
water. Ordinary tap water is fine. Try to get the excess chlorine out; this is easy. Bubble it with an air stone for a couple hours, let it sit in a shaft of direct sunlight for a bit, or just leave it sit out in an open container for a couple of days. Or heat it up. RO or distilled water is mostly empty and actually de-stabilizes super-organic rigs like this. I know, its odd, that sort of water is praised by hydro enthusiasts for, yep: its stability. Just goes to show what a different animal organic can be.

Red line:
Rocks. I prefer cheap, well-rinsed red lava rock. But you can prolly use anything from hydroton to chunky pearlite. Just some sort of super-low-density inert matirial, ganja gardeners have all kinds of stuff like this.

Brown line:
Medium. A combination of good soil, coco and vermiculite/pearlite. I'd wager that you could get quite creative with what goes in though....

White Line:
layer of pearlite. Holds in bled-off mostiure and protects the sensitive fungus from HUGE swollen 1000 watt HPS rigs.
That's the OBBT in its simplest form. Nearly everyone who's built one so far has gone more complex, adding in a dump valve to the bottom of the container.

What you end up with is a simple bucket/pot system. Water by hand like any normal pot of dirt. The only difference is the large rock-filled area in the bottom is able to hold a substantial amount of liquid. Because of the bubbler it will never go foul so it can be quite deep. The rapidly escaping air bubbles and froths down in the 'bath' and is broken up and spread out by the many rocks it passes on the way up. Once it hits the medium it carries much mostiure without making anything wet or muddy.

Fill the medium with some organic ferts and some dormant microbes and the thing comes to life:



The fuzzy grey haze of the Mycorrhizae's mycelium network visibly creeps over the soil mix. It goes from a whiffy seething bucket of dirt into a living brething spongey creature, teeming with countless induvidual little organisms.



Stick tiny sprouts straight into these buckets without fear. The pictured plantlet was poked straight into a SUPER-HOT medium. Tons of blood meal and Bio Tone with even more kelp meal. Left to their own devices in a dark wet medium like the one pictured some very foul things would happen. Pythium (root rot) would spring up within days and all sorts of anerobic life would come along and gorge themselves on the present nutrition.

But when pre-doped with beneficial life and given lots of oxygen through the bubbling rock bath the raw organics are captured by the vigorous fungus. Free-floating radical substances that would normally wreak havoc on tiny plants are completely tied up. The micro-filaments of the fungal network tie to the roots of the infant plant within hours of it being planted. From then on, the plant is fed a stabilized diet consisting of the ingredients placed into the soil mix.

The results is a gardening method that makes more efficient use of organic fertilizers than perhaps any other! Raw organic ferts that do well in OBBTs usually only give up 10-15% of their nutritional value. Very little of what they have to give is free-radical water-soluble stuff. Your bag of blood meal may say 'miracle grow' but it works nothing like your typical Miracle Grow product.

To get the most from raw composted organics you need micro-life to fully break it down and wring out every last bit of nutrition it can provide.

And, as far as we know, one of the best and easiest-to-implement way of providing the ultimate home for this micro-life is the OBBT.

However there are plenty of other ideas out there to leverage the bio box phenomenon. User Citizen024 has postulated that it could be done as a large table-grow method. Using recirculation techniques similar to bio buckets oxygenation could be managed without individual air stones for each plant. Likewise user h.h. has looked into waterfall techniques to adapt bio box to a super-simple outdoor technique.

I think there is a lot of potential to expand and leverage this little biological machine in many new ways. This is going to be the place that existing bio box grows may be shown off. This is nobody's grow diary but any bio box gardeners are encouraged to show any regular progress on their grows.

QUESTIONS may be asked here but they might not get answered here. Members of club bio box may choose to answer questions in their own threads and re-direct the origional person with the question to that post.

I make this discrepancy because it is very hard for gardeners like me to post about our grows and give advise without blurring some lines. This is the Club Bio Box thread, and posts in it needs to stick fairly closely to bio box related discussion only. I understand that as we gardeners will be posting and talking about our grows, we will get asked questions about our grows. It is up to Bio Box club members to decide when questions can be answered bio-box only and placed in this thread, or answered with more details about their own brand of gardening in which case the full answer should be placed elsewhere with just a link to it here. Even splitting the answer so that bio box content is in here, but the 'rest' of the answer is in your own thread could be ideal.

Which brings me to something very important:

VOODOO

I'm going to take this space, right here right now, to make a formal apology: I've made a couple of posts here in the grower's forums that where fanatical, and not completely appropriate for the setting. I, myself, as a cannabis cultivator believe pretty strongly that environmental factors can effect expression of seed-started plants' sex. It led to some spirited arguments about strong air currents on developing plants between me and user Maj. Pothead

MP: My bad dude. That junk didn't belong in someone else's thread. There's not enough evidence to back what I was arguing about, I was letting my own experience and perceptions bleed over in what was supposed to be a scientific debate. That's crap.

I refer to these sort of individual beliefs as voodoo. As gardeners, especially when you've been at it for a few years, we start to get into practices based on our own observations. These practices may seem to benefit us greatly, and in a place of discussion such as this we may feel very compelled to share these practices with you.

Unless it is backed by hard, repeatable, well-documented scientific experiments strong argument about these kinds of things is totally inappropriate. I broke that rule and I'm sorry.

The Bio Box technique is based on some pretty good science. Its been a long time coming and is still in its infantile stages of development. I want to keep the discussion here as scientific as possible.

This thread is results-orientated: Put up or shut-up. Photographic evidence is mandatory if you want to give advice or make claims. Otherwise, advise or arguments must be based on the evidence of other gardeners who have provided proof.





12/12 occurred 31 days from dry seed. Plants where fed nothing but 2 doses of bubbled tap water through veg.

As I've gotten into flower I've been given major problems by the lynch-pin of my whole 100%-girls-from-seed program: Kenetin.

Its an artificial derivative of the natural hormone cytokinin, its found in Bonide's Tomato and Blossom Set Spray. It can make it possible to get feminization from mixed un-femmed seeds, but only in just the right conditions. Use of it well into flower has yielded me some very poor results and I'm getting away from it as a strategy. I don't want to get too much into the details as it involves a lot of voodoo. As flower wears on and things recover I shall post my progress.

Happily some other gardeners have been early-adopters of this technique from early on in DrunkenMessiah's rantings. They've just gotten to the point of some lovely successful harvests and will be posting the fruits of their efforts in here soon.

Until then, I hope that huge-ass first post wasn't too boring. We'll be getting some nice sexy nug porn in here soon. All questions and comments are invited and welcome!
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Old 09-20-2009, 10:04 AM #2
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Let me post up some pictures of where I'm at now, and then I'll show how I got to this point.

Fist full of Dabney Blueberry



Super Silver Haze



White Russian



This is my 2nd grow, while the 1st run was good, I sensed that I needed to go more organic. I've read an awful lot of threads and when I stumbled on to DrunkenMessiah's method, it made alot of sense.

I fabbed up my "BioBuckets" and plugged in these plants I'd vegged up from clones cut from 1st generation.

I took some pictures as I assembled

This is what I used



The Step Drill, chucked in the cordless, is a key to leakproof fittings.

After some experimentation and tinkering

I settled on this design, three holes drilled in a 5 gal.



From left to right, overflow...about 4.5" up from bottom.

The next 2 are right down at the bottom of the bucket, the elbow pointing up will be the sight tube. The plugged hole, far right, is a drain.

I fed the air supply down the 1/2" clear sight tube



A 6" airstone sits in the bottom



I chose Hydroton as the reservoir medium and filled the bucket up to just above the overflow



The top 2/3rds of the bucket is filled with the grow medium. Coco, perlite, Ocean Forest, Vermiblend, and enough preloaded nutes to veg.



Since I had plants in 6" pots ready to plug in, I created a space to accomodate.



Then the buckets were placed in a dim corner of the garage, air supply hooked up, and left to incubate for about 10 days



As I was preparing to add the plants, I saw that the microbes and fungi had got a good hold



I twisted the 6" spacer pots up and out



Then dropped in the girls



I vegged for two weeks, then flipped to 12/12. The flower box is a pallet sized crate I dipped from another dept. at work that had a computer server shipped in. I modified to suit my purposes, hung a 1kw vertical, and plugged a window A/C into the side via an A/C box.



I made a number of improvments in growing for round 2, but without a doubt the biggest was going the Bio-Box route. No ppm worries, no ec worries, no ph worries, I simply top up the reservoirs, rotating between EWC/alfalfa/kelp/molasses Tea, Earth Juice Bloom, and bubbled water.

My space is so small and the light so bright, that the front row of bud ripened quick. I chopped off the front half of each plant 2 days ago.

Side by side Super Silver Hazes
the one on the left has been partially harvested.




Dabney Blueberry before partial

and after

Looking to go another 10-14 days before the final chop.

Partial White Russian Partial Super Silver Haze



Well, that's all for now, but I plan to participate in this thread regularly.

Coupla bud shots to go



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This is gonna be a great thread. Thanks to Lady for going into detail, and thanks to RipVanWeed for showing us that an early adopter could make this happen.

I guess I'll add a pic of my bucket build:



Right now this morning I have seeds in Ethylene treatment to encourage females. Also soaking bulk coco-coir for medium assembly later today.
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hey congrats on the new opeing of the club, hopefully u guys will put me down as 1 of the silent co-founders or something altho i have no expierence at it first hand yet, here in a few hours i will be following ladyLs recipe for a bucket grow, im just gonna try 1 at first tho see how that goes

i cant wait to just add the rock lava put some water in it, and pour the dirt in, just gonna see what happens
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High guys and gals!

Huge props to LadyL and DrunkenM for bringing this info to these boards...

I have now completed my first biobox run and was suitably impressed with the results and super impressed with how easy and clean it is to manage for an organic grow!

This method is pure genius.

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Hey SilverSurfer,

I'm waiting to disassemble some of my BioBox-Bucket so I can inspect the condition of the airstones. I'll reuse if possible, but if I need to replace, those flexible air diffusers are being considered. Do you have previous experience with them?

On a side note, this morning I discovered that I had mistakingly left the airpump off since the trim job I completed 2 days ago. No visual difference.

I topped up my Buckets this am., using only bubbled water from now on. Try to use up any remaining nutes.

Kinda hot and dry here so the early harvest only hung for 1 1/2 days, then into paper bags for another 1 1/2 days. This morn. I jarred up 1+ zip of White Russian and 3 zip of Super Silver Haze. There's still a mound of Dabney Blueberry in a shopping bag!

Here's a glimpse



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Hey guys, great first entries! Just the sort of stuff we're looking for.

RVW:

I think you will be surprised by the state of your air stones. In traditional DWC its a common problem for the plant roots to strangle the air stone and clog it up with roots. Every OBBT I've ever run never saw this problem. Last I pulled a root ball out of these the air stone popped out of a perfect little channel that was shaped for it. With all the rock down there the plants seem quite happy to just grab onto them and leave the air stone alone.

It sounds like, especially later on, you where adding liquid to your buckets fairly often. You might be able to make them a bit lower maintenance. I noticed that in your big, deep 5 gallon buckets you only made about a 4 inch bath. I'm fairly confident that I good OBBT can handle up to half of its volume being taken up by the bath. You could easily raise your overflow drains several inches in order to stretch out the amount your plans can 'drink' without having to be tended to.

Great work everyone! Lets keep the flow of information coming!
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It took me awhile to get the design in my head. Somehow I got stuck on the concept of a double stacked bucket. I kept looking for it , but couldn't see it in the drawings because it wasn't there. I've said before I was a little slow.
Anyway not to give up on a misconception, I took two 5 gallon buckets. Into the bottom of the first bucket I drilled as many holes as my attention span would allow, using the smallest drill bit I had. I drilled a bigger hole in the middle to slip an air hose through. Around the outside of the bucket I slipped an partially inflated wheelbarrow inner tube for a seal. This was set in the second bucket. About an inch of silica sand was placed on the bottom to dissipate the air, then the rock and mix.
Maybe not all the bells and whistles ,but no plumbing.
I'm also looking at a solar power pump for outside. From your posts a night time break in the aeration doesn't seem like it would be an issue.
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Yeah those photos show my new, slightly improved biobox. I have raised the overflow by about 3 inches and only used one larger flexible airstone and plugged up one end.

I have taken apart my old box and had a good look inside. The airstone was a ok and all the roots in the hydroton had already been eaten up. I would recommend the flexi airstones they seem quite durable but i have only used em for 1 run so far.

I am working on a much smaller biobox to use for cloning at the mo.

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