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fluoro funkster · 12-31-2005, 05:10 PM

yes indeed ...1 of the best posts i have ever read on the net ..it was about time , it is a shame seeing grower's , going & paying good money for products

and they think that if they mix everything together , they will have 3 meter plants ready for harvest in 2 months from germination ..or when they first feed & notice that there plants have almost doubled in size & think that they can feed more & more

again believeing that they will chop a kilo off of a plant in 2 months ...anyways much respect to you Mike for explaining some very important things

Also i would like to add that most fertiliser companies , give there number's & doses for growing in the ground ..very few companies actually make fertiliser's with the intention for growing in pots

& good grow shops only sell fertiliser's that match & work well with the pH of the water in that area ...i mean like here in southern greece , they dont even know what a pH meter is ,, there is no need for it

Hey Mike what do you think about Klasmann-Deilmann soils ..its considered the best here ...i use there seedling soil & potting soil's ..for years now & there Polyhum for flower this stuff is amazing !

on the site its Polygrond P combi ..it runs at

60 170 270 100 or 6 17 27 10 ..N.P.K.M
and with my phoshate booster , which i use 1 time at 4 weeks flower

is 9 30 0 .. so i get 15 47 27 10

so i got some nice nitro in there ..a high phoshate ..enough pottasium it always good to have alot of pottasium & a bit of mag

for veg i just use Algo Flash & black Seaweed flakes ..1 time at around 4 weeks , while i do my last transplant

at the moment i think there doing some updating on the site ..it doesn't give you the exact detail's of there products at the moment

also Mike now that it is winter here ...well south eastern europe isnt really winter ..but you get what i mean ...i usually only use rain water to water my plants ...or i have a 250 liter plastic barrel , that fills with rain water over the winter or i just fill it with tap water that distills

when i use tap water ...here on the Island of Crete the water is suppose to come from natural springs ...but this year my top soil turns white in colour ...i figure salt crytalizes on the soil after it dries a bit , this didn't happen before !

so this year the water is extremely hard ...what can i do to lower the hardness of the water ?? the water has a pH of 7.6

i always use a clump of cotton wrapped around the tap to catch as much salt & bacteria as possible ...i find it helps but not totally ...peace

MandalaMike · 01-01-2006, 12:24 PM

High fluoro funkster!

I am glad you find this article informative and useful.

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Hey Mike what do you think about Klasmann-Deilmann soils ..its considered the best here ...i use there seedling soil & potting soil's ..for years now & there Polyhum for flower this stuff is amazing !

This is the soil I would definately recommend! The 70L packs of their K2 soil is excellent for the entire grow. You can plant most strains (especially ours) in a gallon pot indoor without ferts for the first month or more and get super lush growth. In a greenhouse just one minimal dosage inbetween will be enough to replenish the nitrogen level a bit before repotting. So outdoors it will amount to the same thing.

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for veg i just use Algo Flash & black Seaweed flakes ..1 time at around 4 weeks , while i do my last transplant

We also use Algo Flash. Undoubtedly one of the best fertilizers world-wide and with just the right formula for cannabis. They haven't set so many Guiness Book of world records for nothing!

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Originally Posted by fluoro funkster

well south eastern europe isnt really winter ..but you get what i mean ...

Yeah, it feels more like spring time, hehe...

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Originally Posted by fluoro funkster

so this year the water is extremely hard ...what can i do to lower the hardness of the water ?? the water has a pH of 7.6

One option is to use "pH Down" products. These contain mineral salts like phosphate or nitrogen in high concentration. Unfortunately you also inadvertantly fertilize your plants when you add it to the water. This is particularly dangerous when you water seedlings/young plants.

That's why all I use is cheap vinegar! It does no harm to the plants at all.
You only need a liquid pH tester for the range of 5-8 pH to find the right amount of vinegar in ml per liter of water to get the ideal range fo 6,2-6,5 pH for your plants.

The most effective method for best water quality is however to filter it with a reverse osmosis unit. In case you find that the EC level is also too high or plants are suffering from too much calcium, etc. this is recommendable. Check out the SOLA products at Grow-In. The smallest unit costs 176,- Euro and is sufficient. You can make your own drinking water with it as well.
https://www.grow-in-berlin.de/

Sunny greetings to Greece,

Mike

@ Sleepy: great chart! Thanks for posting it!

fluoro funkster · 01-01-2006, 02:11 PM

cool thanx Mike ...well i dont have a prob with pH ..never did ! ..20 years now bio growing ..the soils & ferts & water mix to well...there is no need to change anything

well actually in Toronto the water was 8.6 back then 12 years ago & needed adjustment's

but basically here ..even olive trees dont like a pH over 7.5 ..it's just this prob this year with the water ...so much salt in it !

you know how you use Calgon to lower the hardness of the water in washing machine's ...isnt there a bio way to do this for plants ...i guess i gotta get myself a water filter eh !

it hasn't rained much this year ..it hasnt rained since the 23rd ..this beautiful south wind from Lybia & Egypt was blowing...yes it is like early spring ...lets see what Jan is going to do ...mid Feb outdoor season starts !

oh yeah i didnt tell you eh ...last summer 1 Krystallica yielded a bit over 900 g's for a bit over 2 m plant ...& hmmm yeah around 65 days ..the bitch's are extreme ...hehehe

they are deffinately good for something like this Afghani...your's was close !

peace

nuggtree · 01-03-2006, 03:15 AM

hey yall
iam composting with bat guanos synergy (enzymes) a product called bio cozyme and (benificial microbes ) i brewed these asa tea for a couple days and watered the soil a week before i planted my seeds (which was 2 days and i had all the seeds sprotuted after a day and a half . before i planted i flushed the soil to an ec of about 4 ..ive never seen anyone write about this before and wonder if its a good idea . also if you have any suggestions let me know
thanx

nuggtree · 01-03-2006, 05:14 AM

yeah,
i just read that organics cant be read by a ec pen . is this true ?

MandalaMike · 01-05-2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fluoro funkster

you know how you use Calgon to lower the hardness of the water in washing machine's ...isnt there a bio way to do this for plants ...i guess i gotta get myself a water filter eh !

There is no bio stuff as far as I know. A cheap alternative to the osmosis is something like the Britt Filter used for the kitchen. It's a simple filter that removes calcium as well and costs about 50,- Euros with the plastic jug and all. You can then buy filter replacements.

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Originally Posted by fluoro funkster

oh yeah i didnt tell you eh ...last summer 1 Krystallica yielded a bit over 900 g's for a bit over 2 m plant ...& hmmm yeah around 65 days ..the bitch's are extreme ...hehehe

Well, that must be dry weight or it would not impress much, hehe.

Too bad you haven't got a pic of that lady! But anyway that Afghani makes a good impression. I just love cannabis trees!

Grow on,
Mike

PS: are you on the Nirvana team?

MandalaMike · 01-05-2006, 07:52 PM

Hi nuggtree

I am not sure what the point is in flushing the soil only to add microbes back into it??

GMT · 01-05-2006, 08:31 PM

Did we ever find out about the new strain? Indica fathered by Sadhu.

01-05-2006, 10:09 PM

Hi Mike,

To tell you how new I am to all of this, I didn't know what EC meant! I'd heard the term thrown around, but I'd never researched electrical conductivity. Oh well, that's why we're here, to learn and share information.

I have a very basic question for you regarding EC measurement and soil. When I invest in one of those EC devices, I understand (or I think I understand) about measuring the water, and then measuring the water/nutrient solution. My question is about how (or whether) to measure the actual soil. Is measuring the soil actually necessary, or possible? Do we measure EC in the runoff water, as I've heard suggested elsewhere? Or do we actually stick the EC pen into the soil to take our measurements?

Thanks so much for your article. You've opened up a whole new area of interest for me. I've always believed in the "less is more" philosophy. I spent many years as a residential gardener/landscaper, and I came to realize that plants can flourish quite well with just a large hole and some healthy soil to start out in. If all these plants that we see all around us every day can flourish without an army of people running around and fertilizing them, maybe Mother Nature knows how to take care of these things without so much human intervention. I don't see why this wouldn't also apply to cannabis. Thanks again!

fluoro funkster · 01-06-2006, 01:11 AM

Hi KCC ...no my friend ...anything that has mineral elements & added to water , creates an electrical current ...all you do is put your probe into your solution (nutrient mixed with water)

check the EC ..if everything is okay ..water (feed) your plants ..thats it

if the EC is too low ..just ad more nutrients ...if its too high you just add pH adjusted water to lower it ...peace

12-31-2005, 05:10 PM	#31
fluoro funkster Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: intergalactic solar system Posts: 98	your the man ! great info yes indeed ...1 of the best posts i have ever read on the net ..it was about time , it is a shame seeing grower's , going & paying good money for products and they think that if they mix everything together , they will have 3 meter plants ready for harvest in 2 months from germination ..or when they first feed & notice that there plants have almost doubled in size & think that they can feed more & more again believeing that they will chop a kilo off of a plant in 2 months ...anyways much respect to you Mike for explaining some very important things Also i would like to add that most fertiliser companies , give there number's & doses for growing in the ground ..very few companies actually make fertiliser's with the intention for growing in pots & good grow shops only sell fertiliser's that match & work well with the pH of the water in that area ...i mean like here in southern greece , they dont even know what a pH meter is ,, there is no need for it Hey Mike what do you think about Klasmann-Deilmann soils ..its considered the best here ...i use there seedling soil & potting soil's ..for years now & there Polyhum for flower this stuff is amazing ! on the site its Polygrond P combi ..it runs at 60 170 270 100 or 6 17 27 10 ..N.P.K.M and with my phoshate booster , which i use 1 time at 4 weeks flower is 9 30 0 .. so i get 15 47 27 10 so i got some nice nitro in there ..a high phoshate ..enough pottasium it always good to have alot of pottasium & a bit of mag for veg i just use Algo Flash & black Seaweed flakes ..1 time at around 4 weeks , while i do my last transplant at the moment i think there doing some updating on the site ..it doesn't give you the exact detail's of there products at the moment also Mike now that it is winter here ...well south eastern europe isnt really winter ..but you get what i mean ...i usually only use rain water to water my plants ...or i have a 250 liter plastic barrel , that fills with rain water over the winter or i just fill it with tap water that distills when i use tap water ...here on the Island of Crete the water is suppose to come from natural springs ...but this year my top soil turns white in colour ...i figure salt crytalizes on the soil after it dries a bit , this didn't happen before ! so this year the water is extremely hard ...what can i do to lower the hardness of the water ?? the water has a pH of 7.6 i always use a clump of cotton wrapped around the tap to catch as much salt & bacteria as possible ...i find it helps but not totally ...peace
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01-01-2006, 02:11 PM	#33
fluoro funkster Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: intergalactic solar system Posts: 98	cool thanx Mike ...well i dont have a prob with pH ..never did ! ..20 years now bio growing ..the soils & ferts & water mix to well...there is no need to change anything well actually in Toronto the water was 8.6 back then 12 years ago & needed adjustment's but basically here ..even olive trees dont like a pH over 7.5 ..it's just this prob this year with the water ...so much salt in it ! you know how you use Calgon to lower the hardness of the water in washing machine's ...isnt there a bio way to do this for plants ...i guess i gotta get myself a water filter eh ! it hasn't rained much this year ..it hasnt rained since the 23rd ..this beautiful south wind from Lybia & Egypt was blowing...yes it is like early spring ...lets see what Jan is going to do ...mid Feb outdoor season starts ! oh yeah i didnt tell you eh ...last summer 1 Krystallica yielded a bit over 900 g's for a bit over 2 m plant ...& hmmm yeah around 65 days ..the bitch's are extreme ...hehehe they are deffinately good for something like this Afghani...your's was close ! peace Last edited by fluoro funkster; 01-01-2006 at 03:10 PM..
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MandalaMike Mike Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 736	Hi nuggtree I am not sure what the point is in flushing the soil only to add microbes back into it?? __________________ www.mandalaseeds.com
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01-05-2006, 10:09 PM	#39
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	Hi Mike, To tell you how new I am to all of this, I didn't know what EC meant! I'd heard the term thrown around, but I'd never researched electrical conductivity. Oh well, that's why we're here, to learn and share information. I have a very basic question for you regarding EC measurement and soil. When I invest in one of those EC devices, I understand (or I think I understand) about measuring the water, and then measuring the water/nutrient solution. My question is about how (or whether) to measure the actual soil. Is measuring the soil actually necessary, or possible? Do we measure EC in the runoff water, as I've heard suggested elsewhere? Or do we actually stick the EC pen into the soil to take our measurements? Thanks so much for your article. You've opened up a whole new area of interest for me. I've always believed in the "less is more" philosophy. I spent many years as a residential gardener/landscaper, and I came to realize that plants can flourish quite well with just a large hole and some healthy soil to start out in. If all these plants that we see all around us every day can flourish without an army of people running around and fertilizing them, maybe Mother Nature knows how to take care of these things without so much human intervention. I don't see why this wouldn't also apply to cannabis. Thanks again! Last edited by kwaichangcain; 01-05-2006 at 10:46 PM..
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fluoro funkster Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: intergalactic solar system Posts: 98	Hi KCC ...no my friend ...anything that has mineral elements & added to water , creates an electrical current ...all you do is put your probe into your solution (nutrient mixed with water) check the EC ..if everything is okay ..water (feed) your plants ..thats it if the EC is too low ..just ad more nutrients ...if its too high you just add pH adjusted water to lower it ...peace Last edited by fluoro funkster; 01-06-2006 at 01:16 AM..
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01-03-2006, 03:15 AM	#34
nuggtree New Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6	hey yall iam composting with bat guanos synergy (enzymes) a product called bio cozyme and (benificial microbes ) i brewed these asa tea for a couple days and watered the soil a week before i planted my seeds (which was 2 days and i had all the seeds sprotuted after a day and a half . before i planted i flushed the soil to an ec of about 4 ..ive never seen anyone write about this before and wonder if its a good idea . also if you have any suggestions let me know thanx
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01-03-2006, 05:14 AM	#35
nuggtree New Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6	yeah, i just read that organics cant be read by a ec pen . is this true ?
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01-05-2006, 08:31 PM	#38
GMT I am, therefore I think Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wonderland Posts: 5,964	Did we ever find out about the new strain? Indica fathered by Sadhu.
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