[Hazy Lady]

Thanks again all
*mistress*

have never used canne nutes, but the pk product seems like kool bloom, @ 0-10-10... dont see why this cant be used thru out flowering. @ least from wk 4-8...

I agree with you *m*, I don't see buds forming for only one or two weeks so I believe they need extra P and K throughout the bloom cycle. This is why I use PK13/14 from the start of week 2 @ 5ml per 10 Lts, repeat until week 8 but weeks 6 and 7, I up the amount to the 15mls Canna recommend.

I made a note of the E.C readings last night
My water from the tap is E.C, 0.63 (PH 7.5) yummmy!.

Control Nutrient (A+B, PK13/14, Liquid seaweed, Epsom) = E.C, 1.60

Canna Boost As above plus Boost @ 15mls* per 10Lts = E.C, 1.65

Molasses As above plus Molasses @ 1 Tablespoon per 10Lts = E.C, ( I have somehow misplaced the E.C for this ???, I will find it shortly and post it.) EDIT, The EC is 1.70

PH @ 5.8 in, 5.6 out.

* I started this intending to use 20 mls Boost simply because I used this amount, but I was reminded a tablespoon is 15ml (the molasses amount) so changed to 15mls to make it somewhat fairer mil for mil.

this is a very interesting comparison

we used cannaboost for several months and in no way could we say the buds improved in any way from it.

its time to burst the buble im sure the molasses plans will do as WELL or BETTER. i use panela regularly and i really do like the results with it. panela is cane sugar crystalized, raw and un processed.

peace

[darookie2000]

Originally Posted by bonecarver_OG

this is a very interesting comparison

we used cannaboost for several months and in no way could we say the buds improved in any way from it.

its time to burst the buble im sure the molasses plans will do as WELL or BETTER. i use panela regularly and i really do like the results with it. panela is cane sugar crystalized, raw and un processed.

peace

With canna boost accelerating metabolism, it might help to feed more to see if that makes a difference. I had a K deficiency the day after I added boost, so it definitely does something. I am using both molasses and boost together, and noticing a much stronger smell than I had seen last round.

[Hazy Lady]

Thank's Bonecarver and darookie , Bonecarver, did you use the Boost on it's own? apart from your regular NPK's I mean.
We will be able to see if the Boost in combination with the Molasses gives better results on another couple of plants I have that receive both. I always thought it made sense that the Boost increases the metabolic rate and the Molasses fuels the process
As I said earlier I have been using both Boost and Molasses and getting great result's but the strains I grow now have never had any other diet so I have no idea if they could be better or worse. And reading things like this has me thinking less is more! In the 'Back from the cup' thread by OJD he says

"both the cups i just won were grown on a wilma sytem in coco pots recirculated with cana a-b and bcuzz bloom stimulator
i give them rhizotonic for the first week in the sytem thats it
nothing else,im one of those guys who dont want to be feeding all this crap to my plants unless its a massive diference
i try things but normaly revert back to the basics"

Food for thought!

Now just to go back a day or two, I said Zoo used Molasses and Boost and had not decided if one was better than the other. Brother Greystoke was kind enough to bring me up to date with Zoo's latest findings. He (Zoo) did land on one side but if no-one minds I won't post his results until I have finished this, besides my results may well vary, one way or the other we will have 2 sets to mull over. If anyone is losing sleep over Zoo's results PM me and I will spill the beanz

[*mistress*]

what exactly are these inputs supposed to produce?

&

how are the results to be measured across the many different gardens & their variations?

excluding y.eld, how can a gardener describe the terrior, texture, aromatics, and/or filling capacity of these inputs? or lack thereof?...

how do gardeners guage the efficacy of microbes, chelates, humates, etc, etc...? are these purely for aromatics, taste, aesthetics, etc?

maybe could create a scale to measure these various 'enhancers' 'tonics' 'food grade items' 'feed grade items' etc...

i think the boost does NOTHING. zero, ziltch nada

- its all marketing hype
its as far as i can see the most scetchy product on the whole canna product line.

i think the boost product is most likelly a mollases product with green food colorant.

i think the idea with boost is the following; its very expensive, most people dont like feeling like idiots - so they make them self believe its actually doing something.

but its time to be honest - if anyone can in any way prove there is actually any efficiancy in the canna boost product. ill eat my keyboARD :d

but at the same ill swear by the efficiancy of molasses and panella. where off panela is far more concentrated than ordinary molasses.

"I always thought it made sense that the Boost increases the metabolic rate and the Molasses fuels the process"

hehe i wish plants were that simple BUT it is not so. this statement is very simplyfied and almost missleading.

the only thing that scientifically is proven is that NITROGEN is the only thing speeding up plant metabolism and AS ALL OF US KNOW nitrogen is a nono for resin production, and works against potency.

most of the complex sugars in molasses can not get absorbed by plants, but instead feed the microbial life in the medium, that in turn breaks it down and makes other components accessible to the plant roots.

we used a BIG amount of boost (at full dose) for a 4 month period with our well tested moms and i cant say in any way that it improved anything, rather the oposite. this is a shame since i do swear by all the other canna products, since we have been using them from the start.

there is other useless canna-products also - for example "canna flush"... who in the world would think its better to actually ad more products instead of using plain water for flushing...

so i hope its understod this post is not for slagging off anyones boost use etc - its rather just us sharing our experience.

with almost 60 euro a bottle, the canna boost is by far one of the most expensive products in the grow shop.

using 40 ml /10 liters and the bottle is gone in a week..

i rather recomend anyone to put in one more light for that money... i think its most likelly equalent of a 1000W ligth a month in costs, and definetly light intensity will allways improve the results. better than any prooduct ever will.

my 2 cent

[jackiee]

nice one bonecarver,im using canna boost because it was a gift, ill have to try to buy some panela or molasses as soon as possible as i only got a small bottle of boost.dont know where ill buy them in england though but ill start looking.

molasses - in the supermarket i bet you will find blackstrap molasses. should be several brands to choose from peace i bet any supermarket like safeways, waitrose or what ever will have molasses

panela can most likelly be found in import-shops for imigrants since its a commonly used sweetener in south-american countries.

[*mistress*]

Originally Posted by jackiee

nice one bonecarver,im using canna boost because it was a gift, ill have to try to buy some panela or molasses as soon as possible as i only got a small bottle of boost.dont know where ill buy them in england though but ill start looking.

https://www.farmway.co.uk/equine-2/eq...lement-197.htm

in merry olde england...

[*mistress*]

Originally Posted by bonecarver_OG

molasses - in the supermarket i bet you will find blackstrap molasses. should be several brands to choose from peace i bet any supermarket like safeways, waitrose or what ever will have molasses

panela can most likelly be found in import-shops for imigrants since its a commonly used sweetener in south-american countries.

may be helpful to look into vinasse; since you around spain. vinasse is the effluent (waste) after making wine, etc... is considered a waste product, but many use it to simply feed crops w/.

also called stillage, etc... or, what left after cooking the sugar out of the mash... there are many waste products from industry that would qualify as 'organic', or 'inorganic' fertilizers.
many industries have to pay waste couriers to pick up & dispose of such effluents.

just like restaurants have to pay people to come & get rid of waste cooking oil... some people get it & acquire this for free ffrom greasy-spoons & fuel their vehicles...

basically same principle as molasses. all the sugar is squeezed out to make liquor, and the remainer is a nutrient-rich dark brown liquid - full of vitamins & minerals, etc...

should be able to get vinasse free from local, or other vineyrds, breweries, etc... nutrient profile is similar to, if not exceeding molasses. there are many research papers relevant to wine makers using this once waste product to fertilize crops in plance of traditional npk...

some molasses from some companies can have brewers condensed solubles, distillers grains, etc...

https://www.agriworld.nl/public/file/...et_vinasse.pdf

https://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=...pt=sci_arttext

https://soil.scijournals.org/cgi/content/full/70/3/900

enjoy your garden!