[*mistress*]

Originally Posted by cornflake

hi Hazy Lady, no haven't used that particular brand of coir

I haven't used molasses, was about to do a search after checking to see anything on coco forum and so here I am

I use canna coco coir, a+b, pk13/14, cannazyme, epsom salts, and rhizo. Unfortunately for me boost is out of reach, so I also will be watching but more importantly I will find some blackstrap in my country, and add to my feeds.

A question about ppms. I'll need to be taking the increase in ppms into consideration and scaling back something else? What did we say molasses is, a sugar? I am not up on NPK ratios and changing things like this might affect other levels and such......but like you, I'm thinking how to get a better yield for less cash out.

Also interested in adding more natural things, like making a worm farm and adding worm casting tea? Hmmm, wanna go organic but no time to learn new methods right now. so...

Does it affect ppms?

BTW, your mango haze, looks real nice. I smoked a haze a couple weekends ago at a friend's and the aftertaste was so fruity, so mango I loved it. until I saw the BBQ then I was off forgetting about those subtle flavors as the music gets my attention =)

this may be helpful/interesting. yes, ppms are affected. the nutrition facts on the back of food products are based on either a 2,000, or a 2,500 calorie diet.

so, for wholesome sweeteners molasses, @ 730 mg per tbspn (22 g), bottle states 20% of daily values (dv), or .2*3500 (daily recommendation for potassium intake)=700 mg.

have not found if this is listed as elemental potassium, or k20, which would have to be converted to elemental p, or .83*730=605.9 mg per tbspn. so, w/ pure math, would have 605-730 ppm per liter;

or 605/3.785=159.84 ppm k, or,

730/3.785=192.86 ppm k.

the formulas for converting mg/l to ppms should be on the linked thread. the nute calculator is good, too, though still not sure how it comes up w/ different #'s than the greenhouse math formulas. has to do w/ the weight/volume of the liquids; or the grams per ml.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....alculating+npk
calculating npk/nutrient profile (of molasses; still much work to be done...)

&

https://www.cabrillo.edu/~pshaw/Hort125%20Hydroponics/Hydro_calculating_nutrients_fo r_solutions.pdf

enjoy your garden!

[Hazy Lady]

@ Darookie, I (touch wood) never had PM but I did have 4 separate outbreaks of bud rot among my last crop, nothing major but it has got me concerned about foliar feeding, however, early on I do spray but never Boost!, I had no idea you could use it this way, I am going to have a look at this shortly but I agree it would be a cheaper way to go, and really effective sprayed.

@ sunday's child, haha, sorry sweetie, I used a little poetic license there, I couldn't think of two users fast enough and you had just posted so........

@ cornflake, Hi, Yes it does alter EC, or PPM's in your case, I am not sure of the various readings as they start the different feeds at lights-on tonight but I will post them and we can come back to it if you like

@ jackiee, Hiya, Thank-you, If it looks ok after a few day's I think you can say it is safe eh?, I did fry some plants using a no-name dry brick years ago and I worry a bit, hey! at least it is lighter than Canna coco being a little drier, that helps loads!!!!, Thanks to everyone for adding to this, I do appreciate it

[Hazy Lady]

*mistress*, I missed you then as I posted, Thank-you so much, this is very helpful and interesting, I am really grateful to you , and I was thinking using Molasses might simplify things

[cornflake]

thanks mistress, nice thread

[*mistress*]

Originally Posted by darookie2000

It's an (carbohydrate)..., This information came from one of the technical Canna reps in the US, so as long as I did not screw up my explanation, I have no reason to doubt its validity.

molasses alone has lots of carbohydrates... +sugars to feed microbes.

as in sales rep? that makes questioning validity/need more a priority... ask for specific ingredients of ferts. see if they provide data then. 80% of occasions, when get to what stuff is actually comprised of, can duplicate w/ food grade/alternative items; they stop revealing specs then...

have yet to see any fertilizer companies convey info about simple cornmeal being 9-0-0. why would they? they want you to buy their 9-0-0 fert... or to recommend using regular molasses. they will always recommend their product that was 'derived from' molasses, or this/that, & they always say it was placed thru many, many processes...

sometimes common materials can act as substitute(s)...

they would never steer a gardener away from their products to a gallon molasses for ~10 coins, which does same thing as their xx coins product... or they would no longer be sales rep...

if works, good. their are alternatives to conventional nutes though; most fert sales rep will never say this - even if they know.

enjoy your garden!

[darookie2000]

Originally Posted by *mistress*

molasses alone has lots of carbohydrates... +sugars to feed microbes.

as in sales rep? that makes questioning validity/need more a priority... ask for specific ingredients of ferts. see if they provide data then. 80% of occasions, when get to what stuff is actually comprised of, can duplicate w/ food grade/alternative items; they stop revealing specs then...

have yet to see any fertilizer companies convey info about simple cornmeal being 9-0-0. why would they? they want you to buy their 9-0-0 fert... or to recommend using regular molasses. they will always recommend their product that was 'derived from' molasses, or this/that, & they always say it was placed thru many, many processes...

sometimes common materials can act as substitute(s)...

they would never steer a gardener away from their products to a gallon molasses for ~10 coins, which does same thing as their xx coins product... or they would no longer be sales rep...

if works, good. their are alternatives to conventional nutes though; most fert sales rep will never say this - even if they know.

enjoy your garden!

He's not a sales rep, I chatted with him for about 3 hours at a vendor day at my local hydro shop, but he was not the sales guy, they sent another rep who was the sales rep. He's the guy who answers all the support questions on Canna USA's website, and I know it's a little suspicious considering the source, but he did admit to me that one of the weaknesses of their bio-terra plus mix is that they can't sterilize it on the way out of holland to the US, so they had been having a number of issues with bugs (I had been paying like $23 a bag for it at the time, and I have since changed mediums because it wasn't drying quickly enough for me to avoid the gnats), but that they were looking for better ways to more effectively control the quality. I did the standard litmus test that I do for reps at these things which is ask how they feel about other brands, and if they don't have anything good to say about specific brands that I have used (or heard very good things about from reliable sources), then I take what they say with a grain of salt.

He also told me that the only difference between Bio Boost and Boost is the addition of minerals, and talked me out of buying PK13/14 because I was too late in my grow to use it, so I'm not really that concerned with his credibility. Feel free to ask him questions on the Canna USA website if you want, I'm sure he won't mind.

John from Cutting Edge Solutions, who I think is the chief scientist/inventor/founder there, told me that for a mag additive all anyone really ever needs is epsom salts, but that he couldn't justify selling liquid epsom salts to people for a high price, so I think he went to research adding chelates to more effectively absorb mag. He's not a sales rep, but was honored when someone compared his results to Canna because his cost about half the price, and he admitted that Canna is a great line.

When the Advanced Nutrients rep told me that he wasn't impressed with Canna, for example, I totally discounted most of the information that he had given me earlier about the benefits of his products (although I did hear him recommend that a new grower not try connoisseur because of potential problems with it).

[analogue]

This is a great topic for research indeed. I'm curious to know which
oligosaccharide(s) is used in Boost and how it (technically) influences
metabolism, and specifically photosynthesis.

[*mistress*]

darookie2000...good to hear you got all you could out of the reps & were able to filter thru the lingo, to get knowledge + opinions + general concepts...

enjoy your garden!

[darookie2000]

Originally Posted by *mistress*

darookie2000...good to hear you got all you could out of the reps & were able to filter thru the lingo, to get knowledge + opinions + general concepts...

enjoy your garden!

Thanks, I am! I think I may have misunderstood, it looks like PK 13/14 is supposed to be used for a week and boost is supposed to be used longer. I will have to double check, but it looks like others are using it throughout most of the flower cycle. I will try to check again. I have noticed significant blooming on my plants - two weeks in flower and they are in full bloom. I'm hoping to ride out the stretch as much as I can, lol, got a little too much veg time and I have two plants that take up half the tent.

[*mistress*]

Originally Posted by darookie2000

Thanks, I am! I think I may have misunderstood, it looks like PK 13/14 is supposed to be used for a week and boost is supposed to be used longer. I will have to double check, but it looks like others are using it throughout most of the flower cycle. I will try to check again. I have noticed significant blooming on my plants - two weeks in flower and they are in full bloom. I'm hoping to ride out the stretch as much as I can, lol, got a little too much veg time and I have two plants that take up half the tent.

have never used canne nutes, but the pk product seems like kool bloom, @ 0-10-10... dont see why this cant be used thru out flowering. @ least from wk 4-8...

higher night temps can minimize stretch.

the molasses is not so much to boost the cal, mg & k, but to chelate the nutes present, feed the microbes and keep ph balanced...

although, if use enough molasses, have substituted traditional nutes for it alone. has a npk of ~1-0-5, but there is trace phosphorus in there, as well as many trace micronutrients.

t/table spoon is doable, @ every watering, w/out messing up mixes.