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DIRT DIGGLER · 08-09-2009, 08:07 PM

I have a question I hope someone can answer, can anyone tell me if the doublediesel and smurfberry are true autoflower's i.e flower under 24/0,or are they just light sensitve auto's.

from what I have been reading on the net, other growers are saying they are not true auto's, and they are having to switch to 12/12.

I have just purchased a pack of each and would like to know what I'm up against. if anyone could help me out it would be greatly appreciated.

makowiec · 08-10-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DIRT DIGGLER

I have a question I hope someone can answer, can anyone tell me if the doublediesel and smurfberry are true autoflower's i.e flower under 24/0,or are they just light sensitve auto's.

from what I have been reading on the net, other growers are saying they are not true auto's, and they are having to switch to 12/12.

I have just purchased a pack of each and would like to know what I'm up against. if anyone could help me out it would be greatly appreciated.

I have never grown this strains but even if they are full af its better to grow 19/24 than 24/0 couse they cant use 24h of light. Maximum time they can use is around 18-19 hours. If you are going to grow them indoors just grow them at 19/24 and if they will have trouble with flowering you can swich to 12/12. some ppl also grow AF plants under 12/12 at flowering time couse of electricity cost. Its cheaper when u light them in 12/12.
You could ask Sagarmatha about their AF but i think he is not avilable atm -_-.

08-10-2009, 11:20 AM

Firstly, you really should have done your homework before you bought the seeds. But being a fellow stoner, I understand your impatience so you can be forgiven!

Secondly, as the fashion at the moment is to take strains from the Joint Doctor & LowLife Seeds, do seedruns and then re-sell the seeds as a new strain...I reckon you've simply bought a packet of standard Dieselryder and Auto Blueberry for an inflated price!

10 x Dieselryder Seeds from DrChronic - £40

5 x Double Diesel Seeds from Sagarmatha (which are probably just Dieselryder) - £44.99

Someone is laughing all the way to the bank!

It's funny how as soon as I posted some pictures of LowLife's as yet unreleased "Auto Double Diesel" that seedbanks are suddenly selling it! But what's so "double" about Sagarmathas "Double Dieselryder"?

They should be autoflowering because there's a 90% chance they're simply copies of the originals but the problem with doing that is they will not have the genetic diversity that the original breeders will have and as such, problems like non-autos and mutants can and will occur.

I find such practices tasteless and pathetic but it's common in the seed-world. All I can do is advise customers to think before they buy and buy from reputable sources and from breeders with proven reputations.

Lastly, autos are not really designed for indoor growing...I mean why would you? You may as well start standard seeds under 12/12 as you will get the same yield (maybe better) and will use almost half the amount of electricity!

Autos are designed to be grown in containers, on patios, windowboxes, back yards etc during the growing season.

They enable growers to have top quality cannabis in places where growing such strains has before been impossible.

The only times that an auto should be grown indoors is when doing a seedrun or for filling up gaps in a growroom whilst normal strains are vegging/flowering.

Ch@ppers

Azra'eil · 08-10-2009, 06:36 PM

great post chopers, i agree with you

az

DIRT DIGGLER · 08-10-2009, 08:06 PM

Yep it seems I'm a sucker. here's the email I recieved.

Quote:there is a problem with the smurfberry batch. they are not auto
flowering! i can exchange them for new seeds. the double diesel
should be fine. the liniage is diesel x lowryder. personally i dont like
the autoflowering types. never had liked things with ruderalis in them.
however the market demands it. at the moment we do not create our
autoflowering varieties and buy them from our supplier.

needless to say I'm rather disappointed that saga doesn't breed there own auto's.
I knew I was taking a risk when I bought them. but hey someone's gotta be the risk taker/sucker buying countfeit beans. from seeing my friends results with saga genetics I would have thought I was in for something special,but apparently not.
I guess I'll chaulk it up as a learning experience. and run the smurfberry's with my 12/12 strains.
And yes I bought them for both indoors and out for the same reasons you mention above.
also I live in canada and the fast finish is a bonus in my neck of the woods.
as for the researching, there wasn't alot I could find about them on the net,I should have e-mailed them before placing my order, but now I know better.
hope this helps prevent someone from making the same mistake I made.

thanks for the help.

stoney917 · 10-17-2009, 07:16 PM

i was very curious after seeing the ak auto from sag on drchronic so i bought a couple packs of smurfberry and lowboldt and a couple of ufos as a test grow for both it will be my first time with any af strains and leds ill post a grow diary im also tryin new nutes connoiseur a+b bud candy and carboload in a emilys garden dwc im also gonna start somew spoitnik at the same time in 5gal buckets dwc drip and gonna compare everything i heard 2many mixed reviews to take any one some people say af are a waste of time not potent etc some say theyre great just as good as regs i dont believe there as good as the orignals but not as bad as other say so im gonna find out for myself goodluck with yours mine will be startin in a week or so

08-09-2009, 08:07 PM	#1
DIRT DIGGLER Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 254	help doublediesel and smurfberry. I have a question I hope someone can answer, can anyone tell me if the doublediesel and smurfberry are true autoflower's i.e flower under 24/0,or are they just light sensitve auto's. from what I have been reading on the net, other growers are saying they are not true auto's, and they are having to switch to 12/12. I have just purchased a pack of each and would like to know what I'm up against. if anyone could help me out it would be greatly appreciated.
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10-17-2009, 07:16 PM	#6
stoney917 i Am SoFaKiNg WeTod DiD Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: sPeCial EdUcAtIoN tRaiLoR behind the school with the rest of the window lickers Posts: 4,885	u r not alone i was very curious after seeing the ak auto from sag on drchronic so i bought a couple packs of smurfberry and lowboldt and a couple of ufos as a test grow for both it will be my first time with any af strains and leds ill post a grow diary im also tryin new nutes connoiseur a+b bud candy and carboload in a emilys garden dwc im also gonna start somew spoitnik at the same time in 5gal buckets dwc drip and gonna compare everything i heard 2many mixed reviews to take any one some people say af are a waste of time not potent etc some say theyre great just as good as regs i dont believe there as good as the orignals but not as bad as other say so im gonna find out for myself goodluck with yours mine will be startin in a week or so
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08-10-2009, 11:20 AM	#3
Ch@ppers Guest Posts: n/a	Firstly, you really should have done your homework before you bought the seeds. But being a fellow stoner, I understand your impatience so you can be forgiven! Secondly, as the fashion at the moment is to take strains from the Joint Doctor & LowLife Seeds, do seedruns and then re-sell the seeds as a new strain...I reckon you've simply bought a packet of standard Dieselryder and Auto Blueberry for an inflated price! 10 x Dieselryder Seeds from DrChronic - £40 5 x Double Diesel Seeds from Sagarmatha (which are probably just Dieselryder) - £44.99 Someone is laughing all the way to the bank! It's funny how as soon as I posted some pictures of LowLife's as yet unreleased "Auto Double Diesel" that seedbanks are suddenly selling it! But what's so "double" about Sagarmathas "Double Dieselryder"? They should be autoflowering because there's a 90% chance they're simply copies of the originals but the problem with doing that is they will not have the genetic diversity that the original breeders will have and as such, problems like non-autos and mutants can and will occur. I find such practices tasteless and pathetic but it's common in the seed-world. All I can do is advise customers to think before they buy and buy from reputable sources and from breeders with proven reputations. Lastly, autos are not really designed for indoor growing...I mean why would you? You may as well start standard seeds under 12/12 as you will get the same yield (maybe better) and will use almost half the amount of electricity! Autos are designed to be grown in containers, on patios, windowboxes, back yards etc during the growing season. They enable growers to have top quality cannabis in places where growing such strains has before been impossible. The only times that an auto should be grown indoors is when doing a seedrun or for filling up gaps in a growroom whilst normal strains are vegging/flowering. Ch@ppers
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08-10-2009, 06:36 PM	#4
Azra'eil Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 200	great post chopers, i agree with you az
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08-10-2009, 08:06 PM	#5
DIRT DIGGLER Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 254	Yep it seems I'm a sucker. here's the email I recieved. Quote:there is a problem with the smurfberry batch. they are not auto flowering! i can exchange them for new seeds. the double diesel should be fine. the liniage is diesel x lowryder. personally i dont like the autoflowering types. never had liked things with ruderalis in them. however the market demands it. at the moment we do not create our autoflowering varieties and buy them from our supplier. needless to say I'm rather disappointed that saga doesn't breed there own auto's. I knew I was taking a risk when I bought them. but hey someone's gotta be the risk taker/sucker buying countfeit beans. from seeing my friends results with saga genetics I would have thought I was in for something special,but apparently not. I guess I'll chaulk it up as a learning experience. and run the smurfberry's with my 12/12 strains. And yes I bought them for both indoors and out for the same reasons you mention above. also I live in canada and the fast finish is a bonus in my neck of the woods. as for the researching, there wasn't alot I could find about them on the net,I should have e-mailed them before placing my order, but now I know better. hope this helps prevent someone from making the same mistake I made. thanks for the help.
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