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SlowCalaToker · 07-14-2009, 10:18 PM

Hi all! I didn't see a thread dedicated to us martial artists out there.

While I truly enjoy watching the technique and skill level required to compete in MMA (I taught in a dojang that trained MMA fighters and have rolled with quite a few...) I enjoy the focus and concentration required to practice the forms and do the weapons practice of the traditional arts. I am a 3rd deg BB in both WTF and ITF Tae KwonDo, hold a brown in Shotokan and a green in Uachi-Ryu. My brother-in-law is a 5th in small-circle Jujitsu, and we train each other respectively.

My last dojang was the MMA one. My Sabumnim was a 5th in TKD (WTF) a 3rd in Gracie JJ, and a red sash in Muey-Thai. Son of a bitch taught me more about correct application of traditional arts to street survival than any other I have studied under. He was a MMA fighter, but had to retire due to a broken neck. He ended up dedicating his dojang to training MMA fighters and dropped his TKD program. Too bad, I liked teaching for him.

I am currently between dojangs. I have a hard time finding someone who has my philosophy toward the arts, so it is hard to find someone to teach for. We recently had a Wushu studio open in town teaching traditional Shaolin Crane. I've had a few beers with the Sifu who runs the place and I may start with him as a white all over again. He did promise to advance me at my pace due to my previous accomplishments.

Let's hear your stories! I love talking martial arts with anyone. One request that I'm sure you long-time practitioners will understand and you white belters need to get down real quick. No style is better than any other. Each has their own place and application, so we do not need to get into an argument with regard to that issue. Thanks in advance, and Ahn young haseyo to all my fellow TKD practitioners!

daddy fingaz · 07-15-2009, 04:14 PM

Ive always been quite dubious as to the real life effectiveness of TKD but as you say thats a whole other issue! lol

and whats this Muey Thai you speak of !?

now heres a question do u feel mma has had a positive or negative impact on the traditional arts !!?

Weedbaser · 07-15-2009, 04:20 PM

MMA schools are becoming the new McDojos.
I've trained BJJ,Muay Thai and Bagua Kung Fu.
I would like to get back into it someday.

Higher Power · 07-15-2009, 04:46 PM

I thoroughly enjoy and respect all the arts. I only have limited experience as far as traditional arts. I do have a couple years of boxing experience under my belt, and I used to train with a co-worker at my old job. He had plenty of experience in shotokan karate, shito-ryu karate,various kung fu styles, judo, western boxing, weapons, he was very experienced all around.We trained together with other acquaintances for a couple years. I currently do a lot of research and train myself using jeet kune do.

daddy fingaz · 07-15-2009, 05:05 PM

any one have any experience of Krabi krabong or Thai Boran !?

SlowCalaToker · 07-15-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by daddy fingaz

Ive always been quite dubious as to the real life effectiveness of TKD but as you say thats a whole other issue! lol

Hey df, I agree with the "real life effectiveness" issue. If you can not adapt the techniques that you are taught to real life situations, then you should never be awarded a black belt to begin with. By the time I was a red I could defend myself in almost any situation thrown at me, and in my bb exam it was! 8.5 hours of pure hell that I probably could not repeat today!

Anyway, the techniques being shown are all basically the same for all the striking arts. Straight line vs. circular attacks are style specific, but if I tiger claw a dude in the larynx, it doesn't matter if I learned the strike in a TKD, Gongfu, or Karate class. The effer will still be just as dead! The grappling and passive styles like yudo, JJ, or akido (even Hapkido to a certain extent) are a different matter. They have their own methods of achieving the same goal, the removal of the threat. But really, a reverse punch is a reverse punch, no matter what dojo, dojang, or local YMCA you learned it at!

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Originally Posted by daddy fingaz

and whats this Muey Thai you speak of !?

OK, my spelling sucks... Muay Thai - the art of the eight limbs. The organized fights can be sort of scripted, but the training was some of the more brutal I've experienced...

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Originally Posted by daddy fingaz

now heres a question do u feel mma has had a positive or negative impact on the traditional arts !!?

I think it's too early to tell. As Weedbaser pointed out, the damn gyms (I refuse to call them dojos unless they are operated by Brazilians and train in JJ) are popping up everywhere. I think the fad will pass and the fly-by-nighters will be weeded out. The traditional arts will always have their niche, like they always have. If there is any effect, I think it will be that once someone who is serious about learning an art gets bored with the ground and pound mentality of the gyms, they will search out a true school and begin learning the discipline of the art they gravitate to.

My personal opinion, and I have the right to it given my lineage, is that the WTF being involved in the Olympics has done more damage to traditional arts than anything else. The reason I switched to ITF is because the WTF has become a sparring focused organization. The beauty of the Taeguk forms is being lost with each revision, and the Palgwe forms have been jettisoned completely from the advancement requirements. The Kukkiwon is getting what they want though, maximum exposure and an "art" that promises quick advancement as long as you are good at sparring.

I treasure my ITF bb much more than my WTF, even though the WTF was my first. I hope to find another quality Shotokan instructor so I can finish up those requirements. Not a whole lot of difference between the ITF and Shotokan if you ask me (but don't tell a Korean that! lol!)

Peace out all, love the conversation!

SlowCalaToker · 07-15-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Higher Power

I thoroughly enjoy and respect all the arts. I only have limited experience as far as traditional arts. I do have a couple years of boxing experience under my belt, and I used to train with a co-worker at my old job. He had plenty of experience in shotokan karate, shito-ryu karate,various kung fu styles, judo, western boxing, weapons, he was very experienced all around.We trained together with other acquaintances for a couple years. I currently do a lot of research and train myself using jeet kune do.

Love the Jeet Kune Do. If Bruce had lived, his philosophy would probably be bigger than TKD has become with the masses. Great art dedicated to practical application. Problem is it's hard to find someone with proper lineage and training credentials. A lot of scammers bought the videos and opened their own schools when they had never properly trained in the art to begin with. They may have had a belt in another style, but they jumped on the Bruce Lee gravy train and effed things up for a lot of people. It does seem to be shaking out now, with the scammers and bullshit artists being weeded out.

Higher Power · 07-15-2009, 09:17 PM

I agree with you SlowCalaToker. Some of the JKD being taught is a scam, a rip off. I have looked for schools in my area and found none that I felt were up to par with Bruce Lee's standards of what JKD really is. I found myself more enlightened and really beginning to feel and understand Bruces intentions after reading HIS books and watching HIS old training videos. Its a damn shame he died so young. I hope I get the chance to train one day with his actual certified lineage of students.

Mr. Greengenes · 07-21-2009, 06:34 PM

The list of styles I haven't studied is shorter than the haves, but my favorites are the Small Circle Jiu Jitsu of Professor Wally Jay and the Fighting For Health System of Frank Allen of NYC's Wu Tang Physical Culture Association. FFHS was created in the mid 70's and is one of the first east-west hybrid systems. For those that don't know, NYC's lower east side was a dangerous place in those days and resulted in the FFHS being one of the most practical systems out there.

daddy fingaz · 07-22-2009, 06:56 PM

Never heard og FFH where can you learn it from then !? is it similar at all to JKD !?

07-14-2009, 10:18 PM	#1
SlowCalaToker ( o Y o ) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southern reaches of the Dirty Posts: 442	Traditional Martial Arts (MMA need not apply) Hi all! I didn't see a thread dedicated to us martial artists out there. While I truly enjoy watching the technique and skill level required to compete in MMA (I taught in a dojang that trained MMA fighters and have rolled with quite a few...) I enjoy the focus and concentration required to practice the forms and do the weapons practice of the traditional arts. I am a 3rd deg BB in both WTF and ITF Tae KwonDo, hold a brown in Shotokan and a green in Uachi-Ryu. My brother-in-law is a 5th in small-circle Jujitsu, and we train each other respectively. My last dojang was the MMA one. My Sabumnim was a 5th in TKD (WTF) a 3rd in Gracie JJ, and a red sash in Muey-Thai. Son of a bitch taught me more about correct application of traditional arts to street survival than any other I have studied under. He was a MMA fighter, but had to retire due to a broken neck. He ended up dedicating his dojang to training MMA fighters and dropped his TKD program. Too bad, I liked teaching for him. I am currently between dojangs. I have a hard time finding someone who has my philosophy toward the arts, so it is hard to find someone to teach for. We recently had a Wushu studio open in town teaching traditional Shaolin Crane. I've had a few beers with the Sifu who runs the place and I may start with him as a white all over again. He did promise to advance me at my pace due to my previous accomplishments. Let's hear your stories! I love talking martial arts with anyone. One request that I'm sure you long-time practitioners will understand and you white belters need to get down real quick. No style is better than any other. Each has their own place and application, so we do not need to get into an argument with regard to that issue. Thanks in advance, and Ahn young haseyo to all my fellow TKD practitioners! __________________ ICMAG'S OFFICIAL ~DIY~ LINK-O-RAMA!!! - thanks Pontiac! LiLWaynE's Most influential ICMag Threads - *more info than you have time to digest* THE WORLDS EASIEST CLONING METHOD! - No really, it is! K.I.S.S. - Read it twice, it really works! I am such a loser. I have so shitty a life that I have to go on marijuana message boards and create a fictional garden to brag on so the real growers will think I'm cool. All the pictures are easily found on google, and any post about my "garden" or "grow" are purely fictional and exist only in my own mind.

07-15-2009, 04:14 PM	#2
daddy fingaz Land racer not a gene defacer! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Deep in the Jungle of Life Posts: 824	Ive always been quite dubious as to the real life effectiveness of TKD but as you say thats a whole other issue! lol and whats this Muey Thai you speak of !? now heres a question do u feel mma has had a positive or negative impact on the traditional arts !!? __________________ Take it easy! LGA For a government to declare a vice to be a crime, and to punish it as such, is an attempt to falsify the very nature of things. It is as absurd as it would be to declare truth to be falsehood, or falsehood truth.

07-15-2009, 04:46 PM	#4
Higher Power Feelin' High & Mighty Join Date: May 2009 Location: Stashed where I can see you, but you can't see me... Posts: 107	I thoroughly enjoy and respect all the arts. I only have limited experience as far as traditional arts. I do have a couple years of boxing experience under my belt, and I used to train with a co-worker at my old job. He had plenty of experience in shotokan karate, shito-ryu karate,various kung fu styles, judo, western boxing, weapons, he was very experienced all around.We trained together with other acquaintances for a couple years. I currently do a lot of research and train myself using jeet kune do. __________________ Lifes a B!tch so f*ck it - Me

07-15-2009, 05:05 PM	#5
daddy fingaz Land racer not a gene defacer! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Deep in the Jungle of Life Posts: 824	any one have any experience of Krabi krabong or Thai Boran !? __________________ Take it easy! LGA For a government to declare a vice to be a crime, and to punish it as such, is an attempt to falsify the very nature of things. It is as absurd as it would be to declare truth to be falsehood, or falsehood truth.

07-15-2009, 09:17 PM	#8
Higher Power Feelin' High & Mighty Join Date: May 2009 Location: Stashed where I can see you, but you can't see me... Posts: 107	I agree with you SlowCalaToker. Some of the JKD being taught is a scam, a rip off. I have looked for schools in my area and found none that I felt were up to par with Bruce Lee's standards of what JKD really is. I found myself more enlightened and really beginning to feel and understand Bruces intentions after reading HIS books and watching HIS old training videos. Its a damn shame he died so young. I hope I get the chance to train one day with his actual certified lineage of students. __________________ Lifes a B!tch so f*ck it - Me

07-15-2009, 04:20 PM	#3
Weedbaser Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 31	MMA schools are becoming the new McDojos. I've trained BJJ,Muay Thai and Bagua Kung Fu. I would like to get back into it someday.

07-21-2009, 06:34 PM	#9
Mr. Greengenes Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,507	The list of styles I haven't studied is shorter than the haves, but my favorites are the Small Circle Jiu Jitsu of Professor Wally Jay and the Fighting For Health System of Frank Allen of NYC's Wu Tang Physical Culture Association. FFHS was created in the mid 70's and is one of the first east-west hybrid systems. For those that don't know, NYC's lower east side was a dangerous place in those days and resulted in the FFHS being one of the most practical systems out there. __________________ "The first principal is not to fool yourself, and you are the easiest one to fool". R.P.Feynman

07-22-2009, 06:56 PM	#10
daddy fingaz Land racer not a gene defacer! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Deep in the Jungle of Life Posts: 824	Never heard og FFH where can you learn it from then !? is it similar at all to JKD !? __________________ Take it easy! LGA For a government to declare a vice to be a crime, and to punish it as such, is an attempt to falsify the very nature of things. It is as absurd as it would be to declare truth to be falsehood, or falsehood truth.