Eclectus back in the OG days did grow a few small plants,but in truth they yielded scant grams and that was very late,south England is easy to grow outdoors.

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Aye right gid fuckin luck!

The old man left me some plots to tend when he went awf to the nick... (for growing weed of course)

Near Loch Ness these were. Grew sweet in veg but didnt start to flower until Sep... not good!

Given the location of Scotland, the weather, and the kind of sunlight, and the seasonal patterns, plus climate change, dampness and mold, its got to be autoflowering or dont bother......
Esbe is the guy with the knowledge for today's outdoor gardener!

I've grown outdoor in Scotland, and vegetative growthe is not a problem: I got sativas to 12-14 feet, and indicas to 6-7 feet {AK47 feminised}, but the onset of flowering is sooooooooo slow - autumn equinox late September, two or three weeks for plants to change mode, its now mid October, and you have 8, or thereabout, weeks to go.......... mid December onwards before you can harvest........ and, whats the fucking weather been like during this period???????
Its not worth the risk, as I found out to my cost.......

However, the modern strains, which I presume are partly ruderalis, sound a totally different prospect, and one I would love to have a go at..... would be guerilla growing this time thouth - the pigs still pop around and peep over my wall from time to time...... Scottish police are in a class of their own - bastards every single one of them in my regrettable experience......

Only one question: where or how do I go about getting seeds such as Esbe describes?

[Mr Mojo Risin]

ive grew outdoors here since my late teens (about 96/97' was prob the first), ive had some pretty shit hot results and some pretty shit results..

electus, yeah i remember him quite well. does anyone keep in touch with him now? he used to live pretty close to me and i always had a feeling i would probably of knew him (small area) but never bothered to ask somehow. his buds never grew very great but the area he grew was far from ideal with poor soil/small pots etc etc so he never got anything thaaaat special but did manage somehting to puff. hope hes doing ok, seemed like a nice fella

ive had nearly a kg of dry/cured bud from a sativa which finished on bonfire night here which smoked lovely so dont let a couple of bad grows put ya off . it was a fucking monster and much bigger than any of the english grows ive saw on forums. using both hands you couldnt put your fingers round the stalk of her! it was an 'early special' but ive tried them several times again and they wont even flower now till october! i think it was 99' i had that great autumn.. but yeah, i always get some sort of harvest. durban poison used to do well for me but again it wont finish in time anymore thanks to bad breeding techniques.. hollands hope - dont get me started on them either grrrr

next season im trying out canadian genetic and going to be using them to do a bit of breeding and try and find something what can be climatised to our shitty weather.

ive been lucky enough to of tried out some of the danish beans what esben made. i tried some kindof erocket, erdpurt and a leb 27 i think wer the ones i got gifted but i had a poor season and they never flowered in time before the rains but they did show FAR more potential than any of the dutch crap. i thought by the size of them they were going to give of pounds of weed but when end of october came so did the storms and i lost most of what was left on the stems to mould. i think the beans i had were f1's and because i had a few slugs eat some of my seedlings maybe i never came across any early phenos to dust with an early auto haze male i had in mind. ah well i might give them another go here as ive saw some of the plants they grow now and they look top notch i think theres a website to buy them from, i'll try dig out the details and post em up.

what we really need is very fast sativas. sure indica flowers quicker but they mould up to fuck here whereas sativas just shrug off rain. next year if my breeding plots go well i should be in a position to share some seed what works up here. maybe we should get some kindof collective going where we all test and breed out a few different things and see if we cant get a local strain what works here. it not easy or cheap trying out different strains each season only to find that they dont work or the seed company has been telling lies so it would be good to have others to compare results with

the last 3 seasons here have been a washout so ive not really had much to speak of since then but im always slugging away at it all the same one of these years i will have my field of dreams al tell thee! the law of averages allows us one good autumn in 5 years surely so i will be ready, waiting with all my plots filled to the tits with huge buds! it will happen and anyone thinking about outdoor growing here should have a go its great fun with little risk and the least you are gonna get is a big ball of bubblehash

maybe we should get some kindof collective going where we all test and breed out a few different things and see if we cant get a local strain what works here. it not easy or cheap trying out different strains each season only to find that they dont work or the seed company has been telling lies so it would be good to have others to compare results with

Ace idea Mr Mojo Risin {can hear the Doors in my head right now!} and one which should be progressed: I'm certainly up for it...... what I dont want to do is waste a LOT of money on crap..... so, thoughts on how to do it...?

A few years ago I was in regular contact, here and elsewhere, with a guy called Stanky Yank, who lives/lived?, in Scotland, but was an American..... he was well on the way to perfecting an outdoor early finisher if I remember..... really nice guy.

When I got busted, I had to lend the police a saw to enable them to cut my plants down....... the sativas were more like shrub trunks than annuals..... took them all day to cut 'em down and bag 'em up..... a week later I got a call from the police station to say they were going to dispose of my plants, so if I wanted to do anything, I needed to make arrangements....
It was a bit of a ruse.... if my solicitor had gone, he could not be my solicitor any more, as he would have been classed as a witness..... crafty bastards.
Anyhow, along I went with a digital camera, to photograph my plants.... to cut a long story short, when I got to the police station, and went into the reception area, all I could smell was weed!
Cops took me along to see the crop: it was a way away, stinking the whole place out, and when I got to it {locked steel doors etc} and started to lift the bags down {I had 66 plants, all huge, it was a hell of a lot of vegetative material, a pile about 1mx3mx about 1.5m high, all bagged and carefully stacked by the pigs} I noticed they were hot.... three layers down, it was fucking hot!!!! If they had not got 'em out of the station, they would have combusted.... he he...... would have made a fine headline!!!

Hope there is a positive response to Mr Mojo Risin's idea.....
Also hope Esbe will have an interest in this..... would love to get some of his genetics......

[Mr Mojo Risin]

haha good story man, yeah ive had the visit from the cops and the conviscation of my plants etc but hey ho we gotta just keep the head down and get on with it. i cant grow here indoors again but im well up for overgrowing the country outdoors each year!

yeah it would be great to have a few others who are seriously into developing a new strain for over here as its quite a lonely old job being a guerilla gardener in Scotland! nobody wants to get involved due to laziness or failed previous attmepts which is pretty lame! the more failures i get the more determined it makes me to try harder the following season. i'll just keep doddling away at it and see what i can come up with but im sure there must be more than 2 of us whos interested in outdoors up here.

im from the west (the best :P) coast and have access to plenty of nice plots to use guerilla style and ive never once (touches wood) been ripped or found. we are fortunate to live in a country where we have untouched areas to grow in so its our duty to exploit these and plant some beans. seems im saying the same old thing each year though and although a couple of my mates pop an odd bean outdoors occasionaly, none of them get into it.

anyone else up for working on a local strain?

i found some really good info and seeds to test in the links below. seem cheap enough but im not sure how reliable they are or who breeds them etc. i might try track down Esben as im sure i saw him on here and see what he thinks is worth trying out in Scotland. https://www.*********.com/forums/f10/...genetics-8356/

https://froebanken.dcfonline.dk/index...ad01afc59d8426

cheers

(maybe we need to start another thread if this goes ahead so we can keep track of whos growing what?)

Wow, I'm delighted!!!!
The plan?
Cover the whole of the fucking country with weed?
Sounds a cracker!

We would appear to be in the next Region to each other...... I'm south and east of you..... not far from Dalry, the one in D&G, not Ayrshire...... so you can place me more or less now Mr Mojo Rising.

I have locations planned, and I'm keen for the spring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the award, and the comment Mr Mojo Risin! {was wondering how to thank other people who leave positive stuff..... its difficult if you dont know who......}

Its a relief to have found somebody with similar interests, who is almost next door, rather than across an ocean!

Was in Amsterdam for the day last week: had our granddaughter to stay for a few days, so we went off on a cheapie from Newcastle..... came back with some freebie seeds: went into a souvenir shop {a coffee shop souvenir shop, selling seeds and the usual paraphenalia} and the girl working there knew me! I used to teach, and she was a pupil of mine.... long story. Anyhow, we had a good chat, and she asked the owner/breeder down from upstairs to come down to say "Hello"............ very interesting, nice guy to boot, and generous.... came away with a bag full of stuff, including some seeds: PPP, feminised, White Widow and AK48............ so, the future looks bright, as the song says!

[Mr Mojo Risin]

strange as i was up there at your place last saturday night at a great party! small world indeed! were you there? it was in middle of nowhere dont want to mention names or anything but im sure you must know whos party it was as it attracts over 100 folk each time. it rocked anyways! im now starting to wonder if we have met before.. do ya go to knock?

small world man, small world.. stay in touch fella

[SuperConductor]

This is a great idea, looking forward to seeing how you get on. If I'm around I might be up for it but not sure what's happening yet.

Stanky Yank used to hang out at *****, think he changed his name to just Stanky.

Originally Posted by Mr Mojo Risin

strange as i was up there at your place last saturday night at a great party! small world indeed! were you there? it was in middle of nowhere dont want to mention names or anything but im sure you must know whos party it was as it attracts over 100 folk each time. it rocked anyways! im now starting to wonder if we have met before.. do ya go to knock?

small world man, small world.. stay in touch fella

Would it be sam-s's?
If so, I was not there, but my younest son was!!!!!!!!!!!!! and a lot of people I know.......
This is way more than a coincidence.... and I'm well into that kind of thing....
Have not been to knock, but was at Eden just before..... in Ae. Rained like it was never going to stop............ may as well have been standing in a shower whilst I watched the Levellers! Rain running down the inside of my coats arms.... horrible.
I live between the two locations..... used to work in Dalry..... some fucking journey each morning in the winter.... on a bike...... my hands were so so cold when I got there......
Looks like we may have people in common, as well as interests.
Looks like a ray of sunshine on a dark dismal Scottish autumn evening!