[antimatter]

Ok so ive been thinking about growing vertically with trees for awhile but being only able to grow outdoors because of space restrictions I haven't.

So here is my idea, get a 40' long 8 foot wide Shipping Container grow trees not vertically like you regularly would do but straight up Colosseum style with massive tunnel of buds, just picture it 30 feet of bud tunnel with a plant squeezed in at the front and back for extra buddage. Everything would be set up on drip. (note the container is not standing vertically its horizontally set but if you wanna do that be my guest lol)

you would have 12 plants flowering and 12 plants vegging + mothers and additional clones rooting, 15-20 gallon containers etc.

0 = light
X = plant

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X 2.5'
X0X 5'
X0X 5'
X0X 5'
X0X 5'
X0X 5'
X 2.5' (for total of 30 feet)
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veg (10 feet for veg)

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there will be no pictures, since this is only an idea that I have put together in my head, but when the time is right I think this would be an awesome use of light... nowhere near as costly as some of the setups out there.

Good and bad idea, and I've actually seen shipping containers done by some commercial grower in the UK, but did horizontal grows all the way through. He bulldozed big holes and actually buried them! However, bury them or not, the biggest problem is security. There is no way someone can just walk past by without peeking any curiosity. In the end, he got locked up for it.

Another thing is, it's quite a task. Having connections to get a container and towing it to a safe place, along with running electricity, lines, equipment into it.

Overall, the grow plan is a great idea, but bad idea to actually pull it off. You're going to be spending a lot more money, time, and effort, when you can just rent a house and stuff DWC trees krusty style in there with similar, if not, better results.

[antimatter]

Originally Posted by TwinTurboGuy

Good and bad idea, and I've actually seen shipping containers done by some commercial grower in the UK, but did horizontal grows all the way through. He bulldozed big holes and actually buried them! However, bury them or not, the biggest problem is security. There is no way someone can just walk past by without peeking any curiosity. In the end, he got locked up for it.

Another thing is, it's quite a task. Having connections to get a container and towing it to a safe place, along with running electricity, lines, equipment into it.

Overall, the grow plan is a great idea, but bad idea to actually pull it off. You're going to be spending a lot more money, time, and effort, when you can just rent a house and stuff DWC trees krusty style in there with similar, if not, better results.

The above is already covered in every way possible, and the containers are sold locally. KBS style would cost around $1000 per bucket and id have to worry about sump pumps and air pumps going bust, and chillers.. gets expensive fast. Im really at the advantage for running shipping container grows, I got the power/acreage/privacy to pull it off.

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the containers i know are 8 feet wide I believe. if you put plants down the walls with lights dangling in the middle, seems like you'd have a lot of empty space for the plants to fill in by stretching, not to mention accessing the area once the plants grow would be the biggest pain in the ass ever.

unless I'm missing something about how you are gonna get around the grow on the inside, I dont see the feasibly of it working out being vertical.

now on the other hand, doing 3'x6' tables down the wall. with the 6 foot side touching the wall, you could put tables down both walls while maintaining a 2 foot walkway (depends what size belt you wear if this is doable as that is NOT a lot of space to move around) down the whole length.

figuring some space for storage and whatever misc stuff, you probably wont jam five 6' tables into 30'. so lets say 4 tables each wall

thats 8 tables total in a 30 foot container.

each table, if using the right strain and you are good with it, can yield over 2 lbs.

stagger them 1/2 way thru your bloom time, i.e. start one wall (4 tables), wait a month, then start the other wall, and you've got a harvest every month of about 8 L's. a lot more than 12 big ass trees would yield. (think gram per watt per month)

the container idea is cool, just not sure if hanging vert bulbs in between trees is going to be the most feasible.

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Well this is the vertical forum and for keeping plant numbers down growing trees is where its at, most tree grows involve working around tight spaces. If the whole thing is on a drip with Tropf Blumats there wouldn't be any hand watering involved and you don't just put the plants up against the wall you keep em close to the light and move them away as they grow bigger, pruning tying stuff up would be a challenge but could be done during the dark period when things get to tight. This is just an idea, obviously I would rather build a shop or something but that would cost alllottt.

If that was the case, then I would love to definitely see a shipping container grow. Also, with a lot of space and privacy, why not go with an outdoor grow op? Yields would be out of this world and the quality of bud would be great.

It would save a lot on the hassle and electricity if I had those kind of resources and vertical wouldn't even cross my mind after that. My 2 cents!

Good Luck!

[antimatter]

Originally Posted by TwinTurboGuy

If that was the case, then I would love to definitely see a shipping container grow. Also, with a lot of space and privacy, why not go with an outdoor grow op? Yields would be out of this world and the quality of bud would be great.

It would save a lot on the hassle and electricity if I had those kind of resources and vertical wouldn't even cross my mind after that. My 2 cents!

Good Luck!

Already do, but outdoor has been rather stressful and my luck always seems to crap out, I figure it would be nice to have an indoor room that I can run if outdoor doesn't work out for me. Indoor is a much better product and easier to get rid of so to speak..very competitive market around here.

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Originally Posted by antimatter

Well this is the vertical forum and for keeping plant numbers down growing trees is where its at,

I grow vertically.

I use a coliseum so I'm not growing trees, is plant count a big concern for you?

My view on vertical is that hanging bulbs between plants isnt vertical growing. Rather you are lighting your plants from gaps in the center.

a flat garden with lights among the vegetation in essence

My reasoning as to why vertical will give you a greater yield per watt is the same as the coliseum brochures reasoning. You simply have a greater "growable area" an area with sufficient light penetration for proper growth all the way around. i.e vertical growing with plants physically above one another.

I know that by suspending your lights you WILL increase the development of all those lower nug sites, but you will be sacrificing light in one place or more if you are gonna grow trees organized like your illustration. a 1000w (not even sure thats what you are using) suspended between two plants obviously cannot sufficiently light the far side of a 3 foot in diameter plant, nor the top if its suspended low enough. Not to mention the opposite far side for the other plant, and the other top.

most tree grows involve working around tight spaces. If the whole thing is on a drip with Tropf Blumats there wouldn't be any hand watering involved

I'm speaking from experience here, when you link up multiple buckets with hoses that arent VERY easily disconnected/moved you will HATE moving more than one as you'll have to wiggle them inch by inch to avoid pulling on tubes down the line. This is just in any situation, if you are in a cramped area with lots of plants its only gonna get more frustrating so just make sure your buckets are easily moved individually (just my opinion)

and you don't just put the plants up against the wall you keep em close to the light and move them away as they grow bigger

thats the only reason I said the above statement

pruning tying stuff up would be a challenge but could be done during the dark period when things get to tight.

I'm just confused as to how the dark period would make it less cramped.

I get it that lights on and you'll be sweatin like a pig wriggling around in there tryin to move stuff, but it'll be just as crowded regardless.

If you are planning on growing some big ass trees I would figure it would be practically impossible to walk from front to back of the container without REALLY worrying about brushing up against a plant and breaking stems in the process.
Believe me on the fact that its easy to walk through a coliseum with no plants in it (6 foot diameter), you put just some little baby clones in there and just turning around I worry I might snap one off with my ass.

This is just an idea, obviously I would rather build a shop or something but that would cost alllottt.

well you need to have your goals set first. Is this personal or commercial? You want absolute top quality or absolute top yield? Build your grow room based upon what you want to produce and how often.

I haven't read all your posts or anything so dont think I'm insulting you at all with this statement but if this is going to be your first indoor grow, start WAY smaller, it will ONLY benefit you to learn how indoor is different than outdoor on a smaller scale.

edit: I'm not tryin to shoot down your dreams, infact this is something that I've been wanting to do for a long time, I'm just tryin to open your mind to a couple things that are sometimes not noticeable until its too late. (moving 100 buckets linked together with tubing is SUCH a bitch)

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I just wanna grow trees in all honesty and keep the #'s down at the same time. Every plant would be on a little furniture mover to make moving them easy. This is actually a small project for me so I wouldn't worry about me finding it overwhelming. These arn't dreams lol..

were talking 12 big plants flowering.. that is all not a big deal, breaking branches does not phase me in the least, I expect it to be a bitch moving around thats the point, if its not your not using your space efficiently enough.

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Originally Posted by antimatter

I just wanna grow trees in all honesty and keep the #'s down at the same time. Every plant would be on a little furniture mover to make moving them easy. This is actually a small project for me so I wouldn't worry about me finding it overwhelming. These arn't dreams lol..

were talking 12 big plants flowering.. that is all not a big deal, breaking branches does not phase me in the least, I expect it to be a bitch moving around thats the point, if its not your not using your space efficiently enough.

well trees=lower numbers so there ya go!

breaking branches=less plant=less bud. kinda defeats the purpose of growing in the first place IMO, especially if you are trying to keep plant counts low.

Its definitely doable, just in my experience theres gonna be SOMETHING that comes up and throws a monkey wrench into what sounds perfect on paper.