[JohnnyHolland]

This theory completely neglects canopy penetration? id rather have a slighty concave canopy to still make use of the penetration of a 600w, the way that stadium grow is drawn up you would be wasting lumens.

Correct me if im wrong.

Johnny Holland

[Ipsissimus]

[quote=FreezerBoy;2485115]GREAT illustrations! You're my new hero. Rep points for you. Let's see that garden comparison chart again ...

Illlustrates the concept well, but it doesn't take into account light penetration. This alters the formula from surface area, to volume. With larger plants and 1000w lights, canopy penetration is quite significant.

Naturally, the canopy method is well suited to SCROG/SOGs. And it fosters some nice grow room designs!

[Bulldog501]

Originally Posted by Hundred Gram Oz

As you can see their are a few benefits to vertical lighting, Number 1 The majority of the heat produced by the HID is pushed upwards to your exhaust vs the horizontal hood that traps heat and directs it at your plant's. The main advantage to this is that you can put your plants closer to your bulb's without worrying about burning them, 1 grower I know can get his plants up to 6" from his 1000w bulb but keeps them back a few more inches due to the buds getting bleached from to much light!!

Number 2 The next benefit vertical growing is that you will be using 360o of your light, you want to absolutely cover the outer diameter of the bulb with plants so barely any light can escape, this will give you the best efficiency you will be blasting your plants with as many lumen's as possible. Compare this method to a horizontal garden, if you look at the diagrams you can see that a massive 75% of the light is reflected thus killing a lot of lumen's in the process lumen's that I'd prefer getting to my plants, and after all less lumen's = less yield and we don't want that now do we!

Benefit Number 3, This next benefit is for space, the amount of space you save by growing is phenomenal, a 600w lamp would be fit for a 4X4 area at very most, and even this is only a low 37.5 watts per square foot. compare this to a vertical set up, you could have a vert system 3 foot in diameter but 8 foot high and fill it with 300 plants have 10 of these in one room......ya get the idea? If not here is a pic to explain the major benefit of space improvement.



As you can see you would be improving your space by 135%! That's a huge increase.

Here is another diagram that you shou


Right well according to this chart the maximum distance you can get your plants to your 1000w hid is 10 inches, this will blast 64,000 at them compared to 44,000 at 12 inches, that's a BIG drop for only 2 inches. How far do you keep your plants from your bulb?

Another benefit of this system is that you can slow down the stretch on plants, this is very handy for growers wanting to grow sativa's that have a 3 x + stretch. In some of the v-scrog grows I've come across it would seem that when you stop raising the light the plant responds by cutting it's stretch and focus more of it's energy in bud production which is real handy I think you would agree.

very nice nd inspirational info here
tnx for posting this
im getting more and more hooked on the vertical idea myself

[420Gurl]

This thread is simply AWESOME!! Thank you..

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Thanks guys, keep it vertical

WOW!
Have any of you tried or seen the new "Hamster cage" hydro unit? the plants sit in a big wheel and keep rotating around a hps light that sits in the middle of the rotating wheel, as the wheel rotates, the plants are dipped into the water, much like a water mill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCTOR6m3k9w <-- there it is, Omega Garden Cylindrical Garden.

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Great thread HGO!

I have been looking at doubled's MPB bucket setups as my future system, they use vert lighting. I want to do a setup using 8 400w CMH bulbs laid out like where the X are plants and the 0 are pairs of stacked bulbs. It is going to take me quite a while to get all the pieces together but for now it is my dream system that I am planning for.

[Neo 420]

bump er cars

[Abja Roots]

So are you going to lay the lights out in a sort of diamond pattern, where the 4 lights are at the 0'S and the other 4 are at the juncture between the o's(diagonal)?

Sounds great.

What kind of spacing are you going to go with? I believe they were doing 40" from center to center.

This is a great thread btw...and has completely changed my ideas about room design. It is extremely appreciated.