[Power13]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

ok, so if one were going to try vertical...what would one need, say, if he has the light & ballast already (400 watt HPS), and his space is setup in a basement with 9 feet of height...roughly 3 feet deep by 7 feet long...

i would love to learn this method!!

Sleepy,

The absolute simplest method, is to hang your light in the middle of this space, with a fan under it.

Then simply arrange plants around this light, using whatever method of growing you prefer. I have seen everything from dwc, ebb&flow, drip, and dirt done this way.

Some people advise plant rotation. Others(myself included) advise simply training the plants, and trimming their backsides if needed.

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Great to see this forum taking off, I'm just getting high on a nice haze hybrid and sipping on some rum n coke, captain morgan is the man!!

I'll hit up a LOAD of info 2mara about different systems, hydro, soil, V-Sog, V-SCROG.....etc but untill then I'm getting drunk!

You kids have fun cuz I am

.......................VIVA LA VERTICAL...................... .......

[Sleepy]

Originally Posted by Power13

Sleepy,

The absolute simplest method, is to hang your light in the middle of this space, with a fan under it.

Then simply arrange plants around this light, using whatever method of growing you prefer. I have seen everything from dwc, ebb&flow, drip, and dirt done this way.

Some people advise plant rotation. Others(myself included) advise simply training the plants, and trimming their backsides if needed.

...cool...i am considering trying this when i start to flower the next cycle.

i typically top mine several times...do you advise growing all strains as single-cola for this arrangement, or is topping ok?

[2stoge]

I love it! We have a vertical section! Good one. Cant wait to see the different set-ups.

[Sleepy]

i usually veg under a T5, then flower under the HPS...

do you use the one light all the way through?

or can you veg horizontally?

how long is a typical veg time for this configuration?

[oregon bob]

Sleepy, suppose this would depend on assumption of more or less / smaller or bigger. I'm still a hold-back & run lots of colas, so I root, then xf to veg (t5's) for 2-3days til they get a hold to the coir, then xf to flow system. Some I can veg for 6-7 days, others could xf right away. Depending, shooting for 6-7" at xf.

Since don't rotate or nothing, use bbq stakes at bottom of pots & tie main stalk to those as encouragement to grow outward toward the light prior to it's vertical shift (which happens immediately). May move it down the stalk if nec over the next week. I trim heavily & adjust leaves to best allow light penetration & supercrop. Huge single cola with huge lower nugs.

With this, could just veg in the same flow room/light, no prob. I set mine up as a square around the 2 ctr lts w 4' faces... appx 2' to canopy in each direction. Alternate wall sets every 5 wks.

Just to reference as sure your's, everyone's, is different. Shit, HGO appears to be the man... what a WOG! Best brah.

Originally Posted by oregon bob

Thank you HGO! Thank you GN!

I'm totally on the vertical bandwagon... have been for a few years. But, I disagree with some of the hype that is associated with the vert grow...

1. Plants grow differently - you have to grow them differently. I almost don't feel it is an apples to apples comparison when talking yields. After all, the direct light is less vs horizontal (per plant) as half the plant is not directly lit & there is no reflected light benefit. The impact of this effects your set-up, plant type, training/trimming techniques, growth characteristics & total yield, if not more. It's more like apples to oranges.

2. The "best" way to maximize yields & get absolutely great qual nugs (top to bottom), is to grow many smaller sized plants (sog premise of 6" at flower & near 18-20" at finish). This guaranties top cola quality nugs all the way around. I don't have mid-grade nugs from this set-up. However, it is very difficult to operate within the emerging conventions & laws. I'm struggling with this as we speak.

3. To totally maximize the 360d effect of maximizing total grow footprint (the real advantage, imho) requires quite a bit of effort... both on the front side & during the grow. I just don't feel this is for the light of heart as it requires an investment of build know-how & dollars. This is a labor intensive grow.

With all of this said, even if you are growing a longer strain with less than ideal yields, it is my experiences to regularly achieve .9-1.3g/watt. This isn't focusing (at all) on bumping it out. I could see getting the 2.0g mark with effort & genetics. Heath's achievements shouldn't be expected as the "norm".

Just my take as want to temper the enthusiasm. Best to all!

;-) fig this would start off some controversy as well...

You are right on the spot. However, high plant numbers aren't necessary to achieve such yields.

One example is krusty's style of grow which consists of less than 10 plants that yield 2 pounds each.

Another classic example is Northern Farmers experience with larger plants in a stadium style grow which gave him 10 lbs dry with 4 1kw MH.

I feel that the major advantage in pursuing the vertical light goals is the lighting and coverage. A reflector can only light 1 plane of plants while the vertical lighting can light more than 4 planes geometrically. And I find that mounting lights and moving them closer when necessary is a bit more labor intensive than just moving plants closer in pots.

[oregon bob]

TTG, k... had a problem, or two... who is NF? Couldn't find on search. Krusty's posts seem old & couldn't find pics, so not sure on his set-up, though didn't go all the way through... seemed heavily edited...? Here's a clip from teeg420: "Yea hopefully more people will get turned on to growing vert. Guys like heath robinson, 00420, green bastard, prawn connerey, green light, sunny dog, northern farmer, and bongholio have proven that you yield more with vert. It just amazes me the yields these guys are getting." Of all the names listed, 00420 is the only member I could find through search. Other names popped up on word search, but just by reference w/in thread. This seems quite odd to me?!? Why are all the verti growers removed?!? What's up w this...?

Originally Posted by smokinshogun

Vertical light movers??

I seem to recall seeing at least one setup with a light mover that they modified with a pulley and string (I'll look for the pic). I was hoping there might be some discussion about how to do this, especially since all the information will be gathered in this one place.

Basically, I want to get the most out a 400w using the least floor space. Since the 'arc tube?' is only about 4" long, the light needs to be moved up and down for it to cover more than about 2-3' of vertical space?

Also how far can I have the 'circle' of plants from the light. People talk about placing them very close (6" for a 1K??) but that seems like a waste. People should list the distances of certain things (canopy at harvest, screen?, and 'medium' whether soil or hydro) from the light. I look foward to this new section taking off,

I voted NO btw, it was 12-0...So I had to make sure everything was working right....and I knew you'd get it

Vertical light mover sound tits to me.I have been thinking about a servo and some kite line or small rope with pullys.Psudo sunrise.
I have found that 6"-8" is how far I need to stay away from my 400 .Just pass your hand thru the beam and find the hot spot then move back untill is cool.6"-8" at my house.Also I feel that a plant hight of 30" is about right for a 400,with no mover

[oregon bob]

The question I have on the mover is how to handle the vent tubing...? It has to be able to retract to & fro along w the mover. How would you achieve this w/o it sagging up top or coiling on the bottom?