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Cannabis Life · 06-20-2009, 11:33 PM

Hi all,

I've been growing for about 10 months, C99 x Apollo 11 almost exclusively, and I am going to start some Bangi Haze soon. Since the Bangi is almost pure sativa, I'm expecting it to be a more challenging grow for me. I'd like to make this my best grow yet, so I hope you guys can help me out.

Anyway, I veg under T5 flouros, and I flower with a 400w HPS. I use Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil, and Fox Farms Big Bloom, Grow Big, and Tiger Bloom. I water with distilled water and never check the pH.

I've been pretty happy with the results so far. The plants look a little ragged at harvest, but the yields are good enough, and the high is decent. Now some questions:

1. How long to veg? Topping?

I think I read something earlier in this thread where someone started flowering at 9", and the plant finished at 33". I usually flower at 12"-15", having topped the plants once. From my limited experience, it seems like at 9", my plants have pretty thin stems and a small root system. Do I need to keep topping the plant to around 9", taking my time and letting the roots develop, or should I just put it in flowering as soon as it hits 9"?

2. Feeding and pH

Can I get away with not checking the pH? Right now, most of the time my plants start yellowing at around 5 weeks (N deficiency?). I don't know the cause, but I'm guessing it's one or more of the following: underfeeding N, low pH causing N lockout, rootbind, or genetics.

I'm most interested in potency/effect, and I don't know if the yellowing is diminishing those attributes or not. It's not the best weed I've ever smoked, but in the words of one of my friends, "it's way better than average." If I could avoid the whole pH issue, I would be very happy, as I barely have enough time for the plants as it is.

That's it for now, thanks for any help.

Ulysses · 06-21-2009, 05:17 AM

Just a few random thoughts:

Get a fan on the seedlings to strenghten the stems.

Add some pulverized dolomite lime to your mix (or consider the use of a Cal/Mag suppliment if you don't reuse your soil)- your plants are possibly Cal/Mag def.

I use pulverized dolomite lime and never check the pH. Did you know it's possible to grow mj without a pH meter? Whoa!

When I grow sativa indoors, I try to limit N so as to not stretch the stems. I shoot for many nodes and root ball development before flower...

Often, topping is strain dependent i.e. no rules apply. Top a few and leave a few go...

Use a larger container for sativa- the longer flower time 'eats' more soil volume- I'm going 5-7 gallon range next indoor...

Other than that, sounds as if you've got it down and only need a few more runs under your belt for confidence. I feel if you get any buds at all on your first grow you're doing well... Good luck!

Oh, and I hope you made some SEEDS from that A11/C99!!!

Cannabis Life · 06-21-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ulysses

Add some pulverized dolomite lime to your mix (or consider the use of a Cal/Mag suppliment if you don't reuse your soil)- your plants are possibly Cal/Mag def.

I remember doing some research before and thinking that I needed Cal/Mag. I'll head to the shop and buy some. I'm not reusing the soil, but at some point I'll probably go organic, so I'll try the dolomite then.

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Originally Posted by Ulysses

Use a larger container for sativa- the longer flower time 'eats' more soil volume- I'm going 5-7 gallon range next indoor...

That's good to know. I think I'm running into the same kind of problem now. I'm using 3 gal pots, and at some point in flower, it seems like the containers get lighter and won't hold as much water.

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Originally Posted by Ulysses

Oh, and I hope you made some SEEDS from that A11/C99!!!

I probably should have, but nope, I didn't. I'm not even sure I'm even working with the best phenotypes. They all smelled the same (overripe fruit/peppery, tiny hints of grapefruit peel), and I can't tell if I've got the zig-zaggy Genius pheno or not (the plants are all bendy from repositioning under the lights). The effect seems to make me feel like a genius, so maybe I did.

Thanks for the advice, I can't wait to get this grow started!

dubi · 06-23-2009, 02:09 PM

Welcome Cannabis Life,

Bangi Haze is a pure sativa but she's quite easy to grow indoors, it's not very lanky, you can find bushy or compact phenos easily.

Personally, i like to flower plants from seed when they reach sexual maturity, showing alternating nodes, preflowers, good size of leaves and stems, ... You can not reach its full potential flowering inmature young plants, especially when growing pure sativas. Usually 4-5 weeks of good vegging is fine for bangi.

It's very important to know the ph range you are working with. if you are using pure destiled water with fertilizers, then you water can suffer strong ph fluctuations because there are no salts to stabilize the ph range. Home water could be very nice or awful, depending on your zone, but home water usually has all kind of mineral traces that are completly necessary for the plant.

If your local water has a <0.8 ms EC and balanced mineral compostion, then you can use it perfectly. It's interesting to use a digital ph and ec tester, at least to test how fertilizers affect the ph of your water. EC digital tester gives you a rude idea of the salt content but its quite useful. I'd recommend you make a complete water analyse at your pharmacy/drugstore, it's not very expensive and it's very useful, youll know the complete and concrete mineral content and not an overall rude idea. Then you can correct the water, decide if you want to use only local water, mainly destiled water or a mix of local water and destiled water.

Hope you enjoy growing Bangi Haze, best wishes!

06-23-2009, 05:41 PM

dubi is tha master, undertands it best...

i grew it and i think its not oversensitive strain, i would just get little lighter on feeding than with those apollo11cindy99, i dont know that fox farm, but important thing is keeping healthy microlife in soil with sativas, id recommend you something like seaweed and sativas like guano in flowering, so that, but if your way works, do it your way.....aand rain water is best, at least i believe...

bangi

i love bangi, wish you good luck with her, heres my thread:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=117460

peace

Cannabis Life · 07-20-2009, 03:12 AM

Thanks for all the advice guys. The plants are doing well at about 23 days in the dirt. Does this look like the Bangi Haze you are all used to?

It's funny, because it looks more indica than the indica/sativa hybrid I started at the same time. I got the seeds from a friend, and I'm wondering if I've switched things around?

Cannabis Life · 07-21-2009, 03:22 AM

Or does this look more like bangi? It was labeled as a widow x durban cross.

Bacchus · 07-21-2009, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ulysses

Good advice!!!

Oh, and I hope you made some SEEDS from that A11/C99!!!

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Originally Posted by dubi

More Good advice!!!

Grow them BIG !!!!! The larger/more flowers the better

07-21-2009, 02:56 PM

I agree grow them a wee bit bigger and you shall be rewarded.I vegged mine in a eurofarm for about 50 days and the results were branch breaking.....

dubi · 07-22-2009, 01:28 PM

Welcome all,

Some bangi haze plants could start with fatter nepalese leaves and traits but she turns thin and sativa dominant at late veg and flowering stage. I can not guarantee the origin of your plants if you didnt open our ace package in person but we can try to recognize them at flowering time. Best wishes.

06-20-2009, 11:33 PM	#1
Cannabis Life Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 27	Looking for Bangi Haze grow help Hi all, I've been growing for about 10 months, C99 x Apollo 11 almost exclusively, and I am going to start some Bangi Haze soon. Since the Bangi is almost pure sativa, I'm expecting it to be a more challenging grow for me. I'd like to make this my best grow yet, so I hope you guys can help me out. Anyway, I veg under T5 flouros, and I flower with a 400w HPS. I use Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil, and Fox Farms Big Bloom, Grow Big, and Tiger Bloom. I water with distilled water and never check the pH. I've been pretty happy with the results so far. The plants look a little ragged at harvest, but the yields are good enough, and the high is decent. Now some questions: 1. How long to veg? Topping? I think I read something earlier in this thread where someone started flowering at 9", and the plant finished at 33". I usually flower at 12"-15", having topped the plants once. From my limited experience, it seems like at 9", my plants have pretty thin stems and a small root system. Do I need to keep topping the plant to around 9", taking my time and letting the roots develop, or should I just put it in flowering as soon as it hits 9"? 2. Feeding and pH Can I get away with not checking the pH? Right now, most of the time my plants start yellowing at around 5 weeks (N deficiency?). I don't know the cause, but I'm guessing it's one or more of the following: underfeeding N, low pH causing N lockout, rootbind, or genetics. I'm most interested in potency/effect, and I don't know if the yellowing is diminishing those attributes or not. It's not the best weed I've ever smoked, but in the words of one of my friends, "it's way better than average." If I could avoid the whole pH issue, I would be very happy, as I barely have enough time for the plants as it is. That's it for now, thanks for any help.
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Cannabis Life Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 27	Thanks for all the advice guys. The plants are doing well at about 23 days in the dirt. Does this look like the Bangi Haze you are all used to? It's funny, because it looks more indica than the indica/sativa hybrid I started at the same time. I got the seeds from a friend, and I'm wondering if I've switched things around? Attached Thumbnails
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07-21-2009, 03:22 AM	#7
Cannabis Life Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 27	Or does this look more like bangi? It was labeled as a widow x durban cross. Attached Thumbnails
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06-21-2009, 05:17 AM	#2
Ulysses Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 861	Just a few random thoughts: Get a fan on the seedlings to strenghten the stems. Add some pulverized dolomite lime to your mix (or consider the use of a Cal/Mag suppliment if you don't reuse your soil)- your plants are possibly Cal/Mag def. I use pulverized dolomite lime and never check the pH. Did you know it's possible to grow mj without a pH meter? Whoa! When I grow sativa indoors, I try to limit N so as to not stretch the stems. I shoot for many nodes and root ball development before flower... Often, topping is strain dependent i.e. no rules apply. Top a few and leave a few go... Use a larger container for sativa- the longer flower time 'eats' more soil volume- I'm going 5-7 gallon range next indoor... Other than that, sounds as if you've got it down and only need a few more runs under your belt for confidence. I feel if you get any buds at all on your first grow you're doing well... Good luck! Oh, and I hope you made some SEEDS from that A11/C99!!!
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06-23-2009, 02:09 PM	#4
dubi Vendor Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,891	Welcome Cannabis Life, Bangi Haze is a pure sativa but she's quite easy to grow indoors, it's not very lanky, you can find bushy or compact phenos easily. Personally, i like to flower plants from seed when they reach sexual maturity, showing alternating nodes, preflowers, good size of leaves and stems, ... You can not reach its full potential flowering inmature young plants, especially when growing pure sativas. Usually 4-5 weeks of good vegging is fine for bangi. It's very important to know the ph range you are working with. if you are using pure destiled water with fertilizers, then you water can suffer strong ph fluctuations because there are no salts to stabilize the ph range. Home water could be very nice or awful, depending on your zone, but home water usually has all kind of mineral traces that are completly necessary for the plant. If your local water has a <0.8 ms EC and balanced mineral compostion, then you can use it perfectly. It's interesting to use a digital ph and ec tester, at least to test how fertilizers affect the ph of your water. EC digital tester gives you a rude idea of the salt content but its quite useful. I'd recommend you make a complete water analyse at your pharmacy/drugstore, it's not very expensive and it's very useful, youll know the complete and concrete mineral content and not an overall rude idea. Then you can correct the water, decide if you want to use only local water, mainly destiled water or a mix of local water and destiled water. Hope you enjoy growing Bangi Haze, best wishes!
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06-23-2009, 05:41 PM	#5
1000ARMSofKALI Guest Posts: n/a	dubi is tha master, undertands it best... i grew it and i think its not oversensitive strain, i would just get little lighter on feeding than with those apollo11cindy99, i dont know that fox farm, but important thing is keeping healthy microlife in soil with sativas, id recommend you something like seaweed and sativas like guano in flowering, so that, but if your way works, do it your way.....aand rain water is best, at least i believe... bangi i love bangi, wish you good luck with her, heres my thread:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=117460 peace
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07-21-2009, 02:56 PM	#9
Lilly456 Guest Posts: n/a	I agree grow them a wee bit bigger and you shall be rewarded.I vegged mine in a eurofarm for about 50 days and the results were branch breaking.....
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07-22-2009, 01:28 PM	#10
dubi Vendor Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,891	Welcome all, Some bangi haze plants could start with fatter nepalese leaves and traits but she turns thin and sativa dominant at late veg and flowering stage. I can not guarantee the origin of your plants if you didnt open our ace package in person but we can try to recognize them at flowering time. Best wishes.
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